Alex! Re: the GTX 1070...

Yeah, send me one , also, off Snaike's card while you're at it.      Just to save paperwork, of course.

I'm guessing the 1070 will be the sweet spot, best bang for your buck, like the 970 is over the 980 for under 4K displays.    These cards are gonna fly off the shelves.   

I refuse to buy the 1070 because of it's GDDR5 vs the GDDR5X. Unless they released something new stating it'll be using the new memory, I'll gladly pay the $150 extra for a card that is better than 2x GTX 980 or a single Titan.

HBM2 is worthless at the moment. We're barely getting half the full specs of GDDR5X and I'm worried with less cache and a 2048-bit, the strain on the cores would cause less performance, when compared to the 256-bit for the GDDR5X.

HBM2 would be great if they wanted to make "smaller" gpu's, but if we compare the 390X vs a Fury or a Fury vs a 980 Ti, we can see that HBM is failing at the moment.

We will need better memory controllers, cache, and a few other things to really start getting the 1TB/s bandwidth we need.

On top of that bandwidth is giving us <2% of true performance games. When we overclock our memory, we see, regardless of bandwidth, we aren't hugely benefiting.

Faster memory would only indicate a better refresh of texture, mesh, etc... but that is assuming the APPLICATION is written to utilize that higher bandwidth, better.

HBM2 VS GDDR5x is a useless and pointless debate, as GDRR5X provides less stress against the cores, which are the true performance here. VRAM has, like I said, <2% of the performance and gains in gaming and consumer base use. I would say we could benefit from it in compute builds, but consumer cards have their compute cores disabled so.. pointless.

HBM1/2 is a bad choice at the moment until we get better IMC and cache (plus a few other tweaks) to help alleviate the stress from the cores when comparing 2048 vs 256.

Ah, I haven't seen much on the IMC impact; good to know. I know that with HBM, the highly controlled links across the interposer enables very good signal integrity between the memory modules and the GPU. HBM2 is also a big leap over the first generation with much greater bandwidth and capacity.

Thanks for the link. One of the guys was thinking improved IMCs were coming with new GPUs, so the additional memory bandwidth could be used. There hasn't been a point to improve the IMC beyond where they are now because the memory couldn't support it. They had a link showing the Fury X could exceed the bandwidth available even with the 980 Ti.

Maybe a new IMC is part of the gains with Volta...

It will be interesting to see what AMD does with the all-new Vega chips early next year. Hopefully AMD is good to their word with the performance-per-watt gains they are claiming with Polaris and they build on it with Vega...competition is always a good thing.

Good times ahead...now there just needs to be an interconnect that supports 8K up to 120Hz with HDR and BT.2020 support.

Originally posted by Meller If you aren't planning on upgrading to the 1080 or higher, I'd honestly say just sli your system with a 970 and wait for pricing to drop or for Pascal to release next year or 2018.

As much as I respect your bleeding edge abilities with these machines, and the absolute wealth of information you bring to these discussions, I am going to disagree with your advice.

But only in the instance of my own personal machine.

Asus H81M-E, i5 4570 @ 3.20Ghz, 8Gb RAM DDR3, GTX770 (Pny)

My little go-cart runs just fine for me, and yes, along side your Bugati Veyron Super Sport it's going to look a bit silly, but for what I need as a gaming machine, it's just fine.

So, I know that doubling the RAM and adding the lower priced GTX 1070 will be a tremendous improvement over what I have now and will take me a few more years down the road.   

I don't doubt that it won't be a performance increase. And yea, 16GB will do wonders for you in terms of multi-tasking.

Don't talk down your system haha. Treat your PC like you treat your car... or woman. That's your girl. Be proud of her.

Next, I only recommend spending the extra little bit for the 1080 because I can easily give it a 2x life span of a 1070. Plus there are tests out there showing that as more and more AAA games come out, the utilization of DX12 and 12_1 will benefit GDDR5X architecture and bandwidth (HBM2 included) than GDDR5's old tech, at 1080p and above.

So assuming you're gaming at 1080p with Windows 10, you'll actually benefit more from the standard 1080 now and in the future as more games come out.

I'm looking out for you, bae.

I know, and normally I'd promote the 70 class for new gens too. It's just that GDDR5X is going to scale amazingly with DX12 and 12_1 is all. Plus the perfomance gains is so crazy for just one generation. That's all.

Either way you'll be extremely pleased I think. This is just one of those time where I'm not pushing it for enthusiast reasons, I legit think even non-enthusiast should either get the 1080 or wait for now.

That's just me.

Meller... Just did some research on the new memory, hadn't until now, and , as usual, you are onto something. If it is utilized correctly, taking advantage of its quad channel bandwidth, etc, it could be a game changer.   

I'm new to all this high tech stuff.

Hope your flight went well.

Hey, Tidgxor, Snaike is all for buying us stuff, as long has he gets the first one.   You in ?

lol GTX 1070 is on par with GTX Titan X give or take a couple of %. Holy balls, batman.

Originally posted by Meller Holy balls, batman.

Originally posted by Ariktu I wonder if any of the 1070's will use GDDR5X when the vendors start releasing their GPU's.I assume there is nothing to prevent the 1070 from working with it unless Nvidia prohibits it of course.

Vendors are allowed to change very few things when they do their custom PCB's. While they can change the PCB completely to include more power phases, things they can't change are things such as memory modules. So, the odds are, unless nvidia comes out with GDDR5X specs, we won't see it.

GDDR5X is a big selling point between the 1080 and 1070. If the 1070 started to offer GDDR5x, there'd be no point in buying the 80 class GPU's.

The thing about the Vanq line up, and Alex can correct me if I'm wrong as I'm only assuming here, is that they are prebuilt, so that when you order one, it will usually ship within a day or two. You can't really customize them on the site for obvious reasons (built to order ya know).

I have a feeling they will be offering the Vanq Line with the 1000 series cards here soon, but I'm guessing they are waiting for stock to drop slightly on their prebuilts to help move inventory first. Why waste a 1070 or 1080 (which are already selling out everywhere) on a system that might sell today or tomorrow... or might not move for a couple of weeks, when you have more high end custom systems needing them, ya know.

Though, and correct me if I'm wrong again Alex, if you are wanting to order a Vanq system with a 1070 instead of a 970 or 1080 instead of a 980, I'd think you could talk to Alex or any of the sales team. Not sure how it'll affect the pricing though.

Originally posted by Snaike @Meller, they've pretty much dropped the 'pre-built' part of the Vanquish line. There is a good bit of customization now available; at least there is in the Ultimate. This is a recent development in the last 6 months(?) or so. @eathdemon, keep checking back. I'm certain we'll see a Vanquish with the 1070/1080 card in the near future. But, as Meller says, its dependent on how much inventory DS has to move.

Levels 3 and 4 have customization