BUILD HELP! Must escape the Mac Flocks!Post Date: 2016-01-08 |
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Slopecop
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Topic: BUILD HELP! Must escape the Mac Flocks! Posted: 08 Jan 2016 at 10:29pm |
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Please help a noob who has been away from the PC realm for too long, wandering amongst the flocks of Mac heads. My last PC build was at least 10 years ago. I became very comfortable swapping, upgrading and tweaking my systems, but have not had a working PC for over 5 years now. I've been using my iMac for everything from photo and video editing, to general day to day web surfing and other mundane chores. It's great for that, but for gaming? You can all stop laughing now...I have. My PC usage has been limited to work issued laptops.
My son is a big gamer and has finally gotten me back into the fold. I'm looking for advice on a new, killer, brag-worthy system. Researching the HELL out of anything I buy is hard wired into me. I want to know WHY I'm choosing one feature over the other, but it's been so long since I did this with a PC, that I don't know the right questions to ask and might not even understand the answers yet. I've decided to go with a Digital Storm system, though the setup is yet to be determined. I have two systems I've cobbled together here, but don't have strong inclinations toward either one. What's the pro/con of the X99 MB vs the Z170 or the i7 6700 vs the 5820? What's the best GPU? 970, 980, dual? I'll appreciate ANY advice or insight you can offer. I'll post both builds for your reference. Thank you!!! Budget: $2500-$3000 Expectations: I want to experience the new sophisticated gamesI've missed for so many years! Usage: Gaming, first and foremost, but I'll have to do some MS Office and Taxes too :( I would like to be able to play Star Citizen, Fallout 4, Skyrim, etc with as high a resolution as possible. A new monitor may be needed. Special Needs: Dusty old house and dog hair System #1 Saved Ticket #:1352034 Specifications: Configuration Code: 1350055 Total Price with Instant Savings: $2,772.00 Specifications: Chassis Model: Special Deal Hot Seller - Pre-built Digital Storm Bolt 3 Exterior Finish: Black Brushed Aluminum Hairline Finish Side Window: Edge to Edge Premium Acrylic Processor: Intel Core i7 6700K 4.0GHz (Codename Skylake) (Unlocked CPU) (Quad Core) Motherboard: GIGABYTE Z170N-Gaming 5 (Intel Z170 Chipset) (Mini-ITX) (Up to 1x PCI-E Device) System Memory: 16GB DDR4 2666MHz Digital Storm Certified Performance Series Power Supply: 600W SilverStone SX600-G (Gold Plus Rated) (Supports up to GTX TITAN X) Expansion Bay: - No Thanks Optical Drive: DVD-R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 8x / CD-Writer 8x) Storage Set 1: 1x SSD (250GB Samsung 850 EVO) Storage Set 2: 1x Storage (2TB Western Digital - Black Edition) <br><strong></strong> Storage Set 3: - No Thanks RAID Config: - No Thanks RAID Card: - No Thanks Internet Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections) Graphics Card(s): 1x NVIDIA GeForce GTX 980 4GB (Includes PhysX) Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio HPC Processor: - No Thanks Extreme Cooling: H20: Stage 2: Corsair H100i GTX - 240mm Radiator Liquid CPU Cooler (Extreme Performance) H20 Tube Color:- Not Applicable, I do not have a custom HydroLux liquid cooling system selected Chassis Fans: Standard Black 120mm Fans Internal Lighting: Software Controlled Internal + Front Panel RGB LED Lighting (Requires Airflow Control Upgrade) Airflow Control: Digital Storm Thermal Management Control Board & Software Chassis Mods: - No Thanks Noise Reduction: - No Thanks LaserMark: - No Thanks Boost Processor: Standard Intel Turbo Boost 2.0 Automatic Overclocking Boost Graphics Card(s): - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my video card(s) Boost Memory: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my memory Boost OS: - No Thanks, Please do not tweak the services on the operating system Windows OS: Microsoft Windows 10 Home (64-Bit Edition) Recovery Tools: Windows Recovery Toolkit (Bundled with Windows CD) Virus Protection: FREE: McAfee AntiVirus Plus (1 Year Service Activation Card) (Not Pre-installed) ($35 Value) Office: - No Thanks Game: - No Thanks Display: - No Thanks Surge Shield: - No Thanks Speakers: - No Thanks Keyboard: - No Thanks Mouse: - No Thanks Portable Gaming: - No Thanks Branded Gear: - No Thanks Priority Build: - No Thanks, Ship Within 10-15 Business Days After Order Is Successfully Processed Warranty: Life-time Expert Care with 3 Year Limited Warranty (3 Year Labor & 1 Year Part Replacement) System #2 Configuration Code: 1350064 Total Price with Instant Savings: $2,635.00 Specifications: Chassis Model: Special Deal Hot Seller - Digital Storm Apollo (White) Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish Trim Accents: - Standard Factory Finish Processor: Intel Core i7 5820K 3.3GHz (Six-Core) (Unlocked CPU) Motherboard: ASUS X99-A USB 3.1 (Intel X99 Chipset) (Up to 4x PCI-E Devices) System Memory: 16GB DDR4 2666MHz Digital Storm Certified Performance Series Power Supply: 750W EVGA SuperNOVA (750 B1) Expansion Bay: - No Thanks Optical Drive: DVD-R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 24x / CD-Writer 48x) Storage Set 1: 1x SSD (250GB Samsung 850 EVO) Storage Set 2: 1x Storage (2TB Western Digital - Black Edition) <br><strong></strong> Storage Set 3: - No Thanks RAID Config: - No Thanks RAID Card: - No Thanks Internet Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections) Graphics Card(s): 1x NVIDIA GeForce GTX 980 Ti 6GB (VR Ready) Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio HPC Processor: - No Thanks Extreme Cooling: H20: Stage 2: Digital Storm Vortex 240mm Radiator Liquid CPU Cooler (Extreme-Performance Edition) H20 Tube Color:- Not Applicable, I do not have a custom HydroLux liquid cooling system selected Chassis Fans: Standard Factory Chassis Fans Internal Lighting: - No Thanks Airflow Control: - No Thanks Chassis Mods: - No Thanks Noise Reduction: - No Thanks LaserMark: - No Thanks Boost Processor: Stage 1: Overclock CPU - Up to 4.4GHz (Depends on Cooling and Motherboard) Boost Graphics Card(s): - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my video card(s) Boost Memory: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my memory Boost OS: - No Thanks, Please do not tweak the services on the operating system Windows OS: Microsoft Windows 10 Home (64-Bit Edition) Recovery Tools: Windows Recovery Toolkit (Bundled with Windows CD) Virus Protection: FREE: McAfee AntiVirus Plus (1 Year Service Activation Card) (Not Pre-installed) ($35 Value) Office: - No Thanks Game: - No Thanks Display: - No Thanks Surge Shield: - No Thanks Speakers: - No Thanks Keyboard: - No Thanks Mouse: - No Thanks Portable Gaming: - No Thanks Branded Gear: - No Thanks Priority Build: - No Thanks, Ship Within 10-15 Business Days After Order Is Successfully Processed Warranty: Life-time Expert Care with 3 Year Limited Warranty (3 Year Labor & 1 Year Part Replacement) |
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Quote Reply Posted: 08 Jan 2016 at 10:56pm | |
Unless you're going to get back into video editing, especially 4K resolutions and up, you will be fine with Z170. You should go with the X99 platform if you're doing video editing for the greater amount of memory support and bandwidth. Z170 has more up-to-date I/O, so it can handle the latest and greatest peripherals coming out.
I'd definitely recommend putting a little more money toward the 980 Ti over the 980. You will see a very appreciable gain in performance, particularly when comparing that jump from the jump from 970 to 980. Also, the option to include the GPU in the water cooling loop in the Bolt 3 is very nice and will offer consistent GPU performance over extended gaming sessions. On the other hand, for the BOlt 3 I would not recommend the fan control board. Moving to the Asus board gives you good fan controls through the on-board fan headers and gives a more user friendly UEFI, to boot. Configuration URL: https://www.digitalstorm.com/configurator.asp?id=1352049 Specifications: Chassis Model: Special Deal Hot Seller - Pre-built Digital Storm Bolt 3 Exterior Finish: Black Brushed Aluminum Hairline Finish Side Window: Edge to Edge Premium Acrylic Processor: Intel Core i7 6700K 4.0GHz (Codename Skylake) (Unlocked CPU) (Quad Core) Motherboard: ASUS Z170I PRO GAMING (Intel Z170 Chipset) (Mini-ITX) (Up to 1x PCI-E Device) System Memory: 16GB DDR4 2666MHz Digital Storm Certified Performance Series Power Supply: 600W SilverStone SX600-G (Gold Plus Rated) (Supports up to GTX TITAN X) Expansion Bay: - No Thanks Optical Drive: DVD-R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 8x / CD-Writer 8x) Storage Set 1: 1x SSD (250GB Samsung 850 EVO) Storage Set 2: 1x Storage (2TB Western Digital - Black Edition) Storage Set 3: - No Thanks RAID Config: - No Thanks RAID Card: - No Thanks Internet Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections) Graphics Card(s): 1x NVIDIA GeForce GTX 980 Ti 6GB (VR Ready) Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio HPC Processor: - No Thanks Extreme Cooling: BACKORDERED: Custom Digital Storm (CPU + Graphics Card) (ETA: January 2016) H20 Tube Color:- Not Applicable, I do not have a custom HydroLux liquid cooling system selected Chassis Fans: Standard Black 120mm Fans Internal Lighting: Remote Controlled Internal + Front Panel RGB LED Lighting Airflow Control: - No Thanks Chassis Mods: - No Thanks Noise Reduction: - No Thanks LaserMark: - No Thanks Boost Processor: Standard Intel Turbo Boost 2.0 Automatic Overclocking Boost Graphics Card(s): - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my video card(s) Boost Memory: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my memory Boost OS: - No Thanks, Please do not tweak the services on the operating system Windows OS: Microsoft Windows 10 Home (64-Bit Edition) Recovery Tools: Windows Recovery Toolkit (Bundled with Windows CD) Virus Protection: FREE: McAfee AntiVirus Plus (1 Year Service Activation Card) (Not Pre-installed) ($35 Value) Office: - No Thanks Game: - No Thanks Display: - No Thanks Surge Shield: - No Thanks Speakers: - No Thanks Keyboard: - No Thanks Mouse: - No Thanks Portable Gaming: - No Thanks Branded Gear: - No Thanks Priority Build: - No Thanks, Ship Within 10-15 Business Days After Order Is Successfully Processed Warranty: Life-time Expert Care with 3 Year Limited Warranty (3 Year Labor & 1 Year Part Replacement) Edited by - 08 Jan 2016 at 10:58pm |
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Slopecop
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Quote Reply Posted: 12 Jan 2016 at 12:31pm | |
Hey DS, Thanks for sharing your advice. I've decided to keep my iMac to do the picture and video work, as I already know the system and have invested in the software. My new DS will get to be exclusively "The Fun" computer. Does that change any of your recommendations? Are there any places to save money to leave a meager budget for a better monitor, or is that something I should leave until later and put my money into the system itself now?
Can you explain what UEFI is and why it's important to consider. The more research I do, the more I realize how much I DON'T know! Thank you very much fro your help! |
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Quote Reply Posted: 12 Jan 2016 at 2:40pm | |
I wouldn't really change my recommendation. What you can do is drop the 2TB HDD and save $195; if you need a little additional storage in the short term, you can bump up the SSD capacity to 500GB for $104, and then in the long term you can add more storage devices to supplement that, as needed. For reference, 250GB should be able to comfortably store 2-3 high-end AAA games on top of the operating system without a bunch of media files; figure a 500GB drive would be able to accommodate another 5 or more high end games. If you're only going to be playing a couple games over any period of time, you can manage which games are installed and delete those that you're not going to play anymore.
UEFI is the interface to the BIOS (Basic Input/Output System), which handles hardware interfacing at the root level. UEFI allows for a rich graphical BIOS interface with intuitive mouse-capable options, as opposed to the pure text and strictly keyboard interface of old. |
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db188
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Quote Reply Posted: 12 Jan 2016 at 5:56pm | |
what he ^ said
Asus just happens to have one of the more user-friendly UEFI of the motherboard manufacturers, although the others (MSI, Gigabyte, etc.) have gotten better. |
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Purpletalon55
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Quote Reply Posted: 13 Jan 2016 at 3:19am | |
I beg to differ the Asus uefi bugs the cap out of me I prefer gigabyte and msi. I usually buy only gigabyte motherboards for my computers I used to buy msi but had a couple of dead boards only buy them for builds for friends or family who care more about budget than having the best pc. |
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Quote Reply Posted: 13 Jan 2016 at 10:23am | |
While usable, the Gigabyte UEFI still has some work that needs to be done to improve fan control.
In Anandtech's review of the top-of-the-line Gigabyte Z170 motherboard, this is what they had to say:
And this was the comment on the UEFI BIOS overall:
Everyone is definitely entitled to their preferences, but we want to alert people, especially those wanting a simpler experience buying through a place like DS, to potential frustrations they may have down the road. |
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Slopecop
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Quote Reply Posted: 13 Jan 2016 at 11:18am | |
Thanks for the clarification and the nomenclature lesson. I'm a quick study. I'm all for dependability, and ASUS seems to get consistently good reviews. I also appreciate the storage suggestions. I'm awash in external drives for backups and media storage as well as a stable of HDD's pulled from ones system or another (just put a 3TB drive in my iMac yesterday to replace the 750 GB), so as long as there are pre-wired bays, I have plenty of disks to mount.
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Quote Reply Posted: 13 Jan 2016 at 12:04pm | |
The PC-O5S case can handle one 3.5" drive behind the motherboard tray. It looks like you can move the GPU forward (with it water cooled, this is less of an issue as it doesn't need air flow) and fit in a couple more behind it, as well.
http://www.lian-li.com/en/dt_portfolio/pc-o5s/ Edit: Keep in mind the HDD cage is a no-go with a full-length GPU. Edited by - 13 Jan 2016 at 12:06pm |
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Slopecop
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Quote Reply Posted: 15 Jan 2016 at 11:17am | |
If case size isn't an issue, am I limiting myself to future upgrade options by going with the smaller Bolt system? Can I get the same components in something like the Apollo?
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Quote Reply Posted: 15 Jan 2016 at 12:05pm | |
With a larger case you can drop the price down and gain expansion possibilities. This uses AIO coolers for both the CPU and GPU:
Configuration URL: https://www.digitalstorm.com/configurator.asp?id=1355802 Specifications: Chassis Model: Special Deal Hot Seller - Digital Storm Coridium Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish Side Window: - Standard Factory Finish Processor: Intel Core i7 6700K 4.0GHz (Codename Skylake) (Unlocked CPU) (Quad Core) Motherboard: ASUS Z170 PRO GAMING (Intel Z170 Chipset) (Up to 5x PCI-E Devices) System Memory: 16GB DDR4 2666MHz Digital Storm Certified Performance Series Power Supply: 850W EVGA SuperNOVA Expansion Bay: - No Thanks Optical Drive: - No Thanks Storage Set 1: 1x SSD (250GB Samsung 850 EVO) Storage Set 2: - No Thanks Storage Set 3: - No Thanks RAID Config: - No Thanks RAID Card: - No Thanks Internet Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections) Graphics Card(s): 1x NVIDIA GeForce GTX 980 Ti 6GB (EVGA HYBRID Edition) (VR Ready) Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio HPC Processor: - No Thanks Extreme Cooling: H20: Stage 2: Corsair H110i GT - 280mm Radiator Liquid CPU Cooler (Extreme Performance) H20 Tube Color:- Not Applicable, I do not have a custom HydroLux liquid cooling system selected Chassis Fans: Standard Factory Chassis Fans Internal Lighting: Remote Controlled LED Lighting System (Multiple color options and lighting effects) Airflow Control: - No Thanks Chassis Mods: - No Thanks Noise Reduction: - No Thanks LaserMark: - No Thanks Boost Processor: Standard Intel Turbo Boost 2.0 Automatic Overclocking Boost Graphics Card(s): - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my video card(s) Boost Memory: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my memory Boost OS: - No Thanks, Please do not tweak the services on the operating system Windows OS: Microsoft Windows 10 Home (64-Bit Edition) Recovery Tools: Windows Recovery Toolkit (Bundled with Windows CD) Virus Protection: FREE: McAfee AntiVirus Plus (1 Year Service Activation Card) (Not Pre-installed) ($35 Value) Office: - No Thanks Game: - No Thanks Display: - No Thanks Surge Shield: - No Thanks Speakers: - No Thanks Keyboard: - No Thanks Mouse: - No Thanks Portable Gaming: - No Thanks Branded Gear: - No Thanks Priority Build: - No Thanks, Ship Within 10-15 Business Days After Order Is Successfully Processed Warranty: Life-time Expert Care with 3 Year Limited Warranty (3 Year Labor & 1 Year Part Replacement) |
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