First PC Config (HELP)

Its not gonna be quiet, your main noise is your gpu and for it to be quiet it needs to be on lc which will blow the budget away.

Your build has conflicts, you are adding fans and noise package they are conflicting.

forget the noise unless you want to waste money or go lc.

here is a more powerful config for less:

Ticket Number: 1471623

1. well it does not have conflicting parts. I has a higher cpu which run much faster, which will oc better, which then means it runs even faster with the oc, needless to say its not even a comparison, but in gaming they should do about the same the 6700k will do better tho and less bottle neck.

I have a brand name ssd which we know its perfomrance and warranty.

2. your loudest part is the little fan on the gpu, it gets loud, only way to quiet that down is to put it on lc.

3. I have not seen the 1060 not be able to handle any game at 1080p, plus if you ever need a little more power you can oc it yourself, just don't kill your airflow with noise package that slows down fans and traps air in.

Edited by DST4ME - 15 Aug 2016 at 4:47pm

Just in case you read my stupid response, I realize now that your cpu is higher than the original one. Also, adding a fan will make it louder, thus conflicting. I truly appreciate all the help that you gave me.

The only two things that I'm wondering about now is whether your config is adequate to keep the PC cool, unless (High Performance Cooler with Large Fan and Copper Pipes) does that. And, do you see 1 TB necessary? You took that out.

Thanks for the response. Could you possibly answer a few questions about 1471623

1. Is standard factory chassis fans adequate?

2. How good is the "High Performance Cooler with Large Fan and Copper Pipes" at keeping the PC cool?

3. Is 1 TB HDD absolutely necessary and if so is it enough?

I can't thank you enough! Also, for #2, are you referring to the High Performance Cooler with Large Fan and Copper Pipes?

BTW, do you work for DS? You're very knowledgeable.

Originally posted by Batman34 I can't thank you enough! Also, for #2, are you referring to the High Performance Cooler with Large Fan and Copper Pipes? BTW, do you work for DS? You're very knowledgeable.

Our pleasure

2. yes.

No I/we don't work for DS, we are knowledgeable/experienced pc users that bought our pc from DS and liked them for their customer service and thus decided to support DS via helping new customers get the best bang for the buck. If you look to the left under our name here you will see "verified customer", DS employees will say "DS employee" instead.

Yes all of them

1. I think for arma your best bet based on the stuff I have seen is the 6700k but that is because arma has a crappy engine, but the 6600k should get you what you need depending on the settings object quality/distance.

Now I don't play it myself, db said his son plays at max settings with a 2500k. If that is the case and the object quality/distance being at ultra/3000 when he said highest settings, then that would mean the 6600k will do great since it beats the 2500k in every way. But you need a good oc, his son 2500k is at 4.2Ghz.

2. I like to have all the fan spots for a case filled out, or at least make sure the two top spots have the fans on them, they will help with temps but they are only necessary if your temps are a bit on the high side due to lack of airflow and this you would only know after you got the pc.

3. not sure what you mean by this question, build 1471623 is a vanquish build already.

4. all lc are not the same. the all in one (aio) types compete with good air coolers here, accept for hydrolux lite, that aio has better parts that gives it better perfomrance, which brings me back to my point, "all lc are not the same" your lc is only as good as the waterblock and the rad mainly if you will, assuming the other parts are good (pump/tube/fans/etc).

To get real lc performance you need to go hydrolux pro, other-wise you are not getting the real lc performance.(aka the lowest temps possible with best parts)

Is it worth it, if you have a use for it or want the lowest possible temps then yes, but lowest temps are not needed, you only need good temps to be ok, and you are not trying to get the highest oc, so on that front you are ok, so it comes down to preference, which is up to you.

keep in mind and lc system might need you to work on it, from replacing a bad aio to replacing a block or a pump on an open loop.

Edited by DST4ME - 16 Aug 2016 at 8:27am

1. I would feel more comfortable if db chimed in here since his son plays it, if he can confirm that the settings were on ultra and 3000 as I mentioned then I would say go 6600K.

2. if you are going vanquish, add the 2 fans that go on top. you can easily do this yourself, we can help you, real easy to do, its a matter of turning 4 screws pretty much.

3. this affects your question #5. yes but look at 5.

4. perfectly fine lc is not needed. tho on vanquish the aio will get you better temps. look at #5.

5. your oc is limited by the cooling, since the cooling is basic here, your cooling will limit your oc, on vanquish the aio will get you better temps thus higher oc. Otherwise you don't want an oc that has a higher temp of 80c underload.

Thanks boss you are too kind

My pleasure and good luck

I mentioned to him that Arma has a crappy engine he seems to want the 6700k, I'm not really worry about that.

I really wanted him to get a better cooler and oc, but you see what happened and I don't want to start another argument with Alex   

Edited by DST4ME - 16 Aug 2016 at 4:50pm

Originally posted by DST4ME I mentioned to him that Arma has a crappy engine he seems to want the 6700k, I'm not really worry about that. I really wanted him to get a better cooler and oc, but you see what happened and I don't want to start another argument with Alex

As I mentioned to DB, I haven't purchased it yet. Question though, how would an i5 have a massive oc(DS only goes up to 4.4 ghz)? If you could help guide me in the right direction I would appreciate it. Also, I made a mistake in my previous post. It's Brian, not Alex.

yup, get the level 4 Vanquish with the H80 LC, it's a nice 120mm for sure (with a 5-yr warranty) and you'll see that I5-6600K achieve a pretty good oc.  hopefully you win the silicon lottery.  i would think your arma3 performance should be pretty good with that setup.  you got a nice ssd and fast ram, with a very nice gpu that shouldn't bottleneck too much.  for the price, i don't think you can do better.  

Edited by db188 - 16 Aug 2016 at 11:29pm

1. No body can guarantee you an oc, the best solution for stage 2 oc would be hydrolux, the pro might be what you need

2. change your congfig to this Ticket Number: 1472723 assuming the lite will do good enough for 4.8, which I'm not so sure it will.

3. the 6700k has a higher base clock so it should have the best chance to get to 4.8 again there are no guarantees.


If you are going to ask for a 4.8Ghz oc make sure to ask for a vcore lower then 1.4 with that. Otherwise the oc is not worth it IMHO.

Originally posted by db188 we'd all like to be guaranteed a 4.8GHz oc, but the reality is that most aren't going to be able to achieve it, at least for 24/7 everyday usage.  just google "silicon lottery" for how you gamble on a getting a good processor.  notice how DS worded their overclocking stages?  they say "up to", that means no guarantees.  when i was doing my research on Skylake, i found that roughly 50% of all consumer sold procs would be able to achieve at least 4.5GHz-4.7GHz.for overclocking, i'd suggest the Asus Z170 Mximus VIII Hero.minimally, a H100i GTX cooler.  the cooler you selected is fine as well.

How good is the h2o hydrolux lite? Should I upgrade to pro?

Originally posted by db188 like i said, it's fine.  you're only cooling one component.  you don't need a fancy open loop for that.  and the hit to your budget would be bad.  let's just see what DS can do with the config we had.

3 questions:

1. What do you mean by one component? I selected the h2o lite cpu and gpu.

2. Will I be able to upgrade in the future(gpu, cpu) with the h2o lite?

3. If I were to upgrade, will the h2o Pro be obsolete 4 or 5 years down the road? That is, will I still be able to use it for future upgrades(gpu, cpu)?

Thanks for the help.

Edited by Batman34 - 18 Aug 2016 at 8:52am

Originally posted by db188 Originally posted by Batman34 Originally posted by db188 like i said, it's fine.  you're only cooling one component.  you don't need a fancy open loop for that.  and the hit to your budget would be bad.  let's just see what DS can do with the config we had.    3 questions: 1. What do you mean by one component? I selected the h2o lite cpu and gpu. 2. Will I be able to upgrade in the future(gpu, cpu) with the h2o lite? 3. If I were to upgrade, will the h2o Pro be obsolete 4 or 5 years down the road? That is, will I still be able to use it for future upgrades(gpu, cpu)? Thanks for the help. 1.  sorry, i didn't realize that you selected both the gpu and cpu.  i thought we were just talking about the cpu cooler all of this time.  since DS doesn't provide detailed information about their rebranded hardware, i don't know if they use the h220 or h240 Swiftech unit for one thing.  for another, i don't know which gpu blocks they use with this system.  i'm also not up on the performance characteristics of a single 240mm rad cooling both the cpu and gpu with a high oc on them.  i'm a little sketchy on it tbh.  the general rule of thumb is 120mm of rad per component in LC'ing, but that's a minimal/loose standard.  2. yes, the hybrid can be expanded, but how much i don't know.  like i said above, i'm a little dubious of how well it will perform, especially while pushing both the cpu and gpu hard.3.  barring any unforeseen damage, corrosion, etc. the loop will hold up for a very long time and can be re-used.  however, if you change the components being cooled to completely different makes/models you can't re-use the blocks on them.  also, tubing can go bad over time with leeching.  if you see it become cloudy/filmy or a definite white residue builds up on the inner wall, it's time to replace it.  the fluid should also be replaced anywhere from 1yr-2rs.  i have some additional comments:  i really don't think you should liquid cool the 1060 gpu.  if you get the EVGA model it comes with a good air cooler and it's not really a card that demands LC'ing.  plus, it just adds a lot more expense for not really all that much performance gain.

Thanks for the response. Here are some more questions:

1. Shouldn't the gpu be cooled due to oc?

2. What cooling unit do YOU suggest that I purchase for a reasonable oc for the cpu? I want your honest opinion.

3. What, in your opinion, would require h2o Pro Liquid cooling?

4. If I do go with the h2o pro and I want to upgrade, do I just have to make sure that the cpu or gpu is the same model as the original one?

5. If I ever decide to upgrade to lc and other parts(cpu, gpu, etc.) can I ship the Apollo back to DS headquarters have them upgrade the parts?

Thanks for all your help and sorry about all the questions.