Thoughts on new build

I'm not an expert like some users but I've been doing a bit of research and maybe some of it could help

Cores and Gameplay - Video

That was a test albeit a little over a year old test but it shows that the more cores you have doesn't mean games improve in-fact some with 8 cores actually didn't perform as well as a 4 core CPU.

I had a hard time deciding on Air over Liquid, Since there is little to no maintenance with Air (Which is nice). But Liquid provided better benefit. Everything will still work with the Air cooled, will just be a bit warmer and a bit more noise (and I personally don't like the aesthetics of the Noctua).

Yes the Blu-Ray player will Read and Write DVDs and CD's as well. Blu-Ray & DVD Writer/Reader (Burn + Play Blu-Ray & DVDs)

Hope this helps a little bit.

Originally posted by Doc Budget: Not real sure. Trying to decide between cheapest good rig or doing what I did last time and going reasonably high end (4000) and having it last 8 years like my current one. Expectations: Gaming would be the highest stress on rig. Battlefield 4 and 1. Usage: Gaming and general use 1080p, but considering Acer Predator 1440. Special Needs: Would like a media card reader, Blue ray burner/player and CD burner/player Saved Ticket #: [Please Type Here] Specifications: Wondering about the MB and processor. My understanding is the Z170 and 6700K is excellent for gaming but I'm a bit hung up on it only being quad core. As cores continue to climb I don't want to be limited 3-4 years from now because my quad core is not cutting it anymore. Of course the air vs liquid issue. Never had any issue with my liquid cooled rig. Wondering if I go lower cost approach would you guys go with the standard liquid cooling or the Noctua. Its actually 20 dollars more expensive. Just less potential issues I guess. Really struggling with that decision this time. There doesn't seem to be options anymore for expansion bays on any of these builds. Why is that?. Going to limit me to one disc drive. Maybe that's all I need. Does the Blue ray burner/player also play and burn CD's? And regular dvds? Thanks

For gaming you will be fine, its hard to say what the future will do, back in 2010 I was 100% sure that by now we would be playing games with more then 4 or 6 cores based on all the info and interviews out there but here we are and still not much use for more cores, heck we still don't use 4 cores for most games.

So I would go with a 6700k and save my money, then in 4 years if I'm not happy(which I doubt) upgrade the cpu with the money you saved here, but I highly doubt you won't be ok, a 2500k from 2010 is beginning to get old in the tooth and that was not even the best cpu then. Every 6 years or so you want to upgrade the pc anyways.

for cooling its a no brainier, either go noctua or hydrolux. No point in going with anything other aio over noctua (except for hydrolux lite), you get the same performance less noise and no worries of pump failure, leaks and etc.

expansion bays depend on the case, if the case only allow one then you can just get one.

A bd should be able to do bd/dvd/cd



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Edited by DST4ME - 03 Sep 2016 at 4:30am

While you are right about shipping issues, that is a easy fix, but its performance is better unless you go hydrolux lite. or aio with triple rad which they don't offer here.

while noctua is big, that is how most good air cooler are. Yes Noctua is heavier so its more prone to shipping damage, but with the expanding foam it should not be an issue.

the reason you are seeing more noctua problems with shipping is because now we are recommending noctua more, if you go back and look at when the corsair aio was referred more you will see the same problem (breaking loose) with the corsair aio.

As a matter of fact my first month back I helped 4 people with cooler breaking loose and 3 was the corsair and 1 was the noctua.

Also lets not forget that all those systems that had the noctua or corsair knocked loose, also had the memory sticks out of place, gpu bent or out of place and etc, so a system that had that bad of a shipping damage has nothing to do with the kind of cooler you chose, that kind of shipping damage will damage everything it can.

Point here is that the problem is with shipping and not the cooler since it happens to both, whichever gets recommended more will be the one you see more due to shipping issues.

As far as high memory sticks go, they make no difference what so ever to a gaming pc. They are mainy used for benching with very high oc.

IMHO if you gonna go aio then go swiftech (hydrolux lite) otherwise you are wasting your time and not getting lc performance at all, since a good air cooler can match it.

As far how it looks I like the way its looks but to each his own

at the end I respect your opinion, to each his own

Edited by DST4ME - 03 Sep 2016 at 7:21am

I think the Swiftech is more apt to leak with pump and reservoir at the top. But I have only seen one or two with any problems. I went with an AIO with my latest build and have been very satisfied with the performance of my 110 system. Real good temps and quieter than my Noctua. I have two 200mm fans on the front of my case and they are the only noise I hear from my system. I can get to all of my memory incase I need to pull any. There is no big hulking RAD interfering with my case airflow. I am happy to give up better longevity for the convenience of the AIO. If it has a problem I will replace it for $100.

Frank

Originally posted by DST4ME IMHO if you gonna go aio then go swiftech (hydrolux lite) otherwise you are wasting your time and not getting lc performance at all, since a good air cooler can match it.

Thanks DST4ME, same question I asked Frank. I'll ask twice for redundancy.    AIO is the bottom level liquid cool? So if I go liquid, stay away from that, Hydrolux or air?
Your build is very similar to the one I was playing with. The other was Hailstorm with hydrolux hitting about $4100. The 3rd was an Apollo option with the 6800 6 core, the level 3 I think.

Edited by Doc - 03 Sep 2016 at 4:50pm

As far as I know they only use the hx220 with a 240mm rad they don't use the hx320 per Alex unless something changed or you are going sli.

Originally posted by Doc Originally posted by DST4ME IMHO if you gonna go aio then go swiftech (hydrolux lite) otherwise you are wasting your time and not getting lc performance at all, since a good air cooler can match it. Thanks DST4ME, same question I asked Frank. I'll ask twice for redundancy.    AIO is the bottom level liquid cool? So if I go liquid, stay away from that, Hydrolux or air? Your build is very similar to the one I was playing with. The other was Hailstorm with hydrolux hitting about $4100. The 3rd was an Apollo option with the 6800 6 core, the level 3 I think.

Doc your best for cooling based on performance is this IMHO:

1. noctua

2. hydrolux lite

3. hydrolux pro

my problem with the other aio vs noctua is that you bring in the possibilities of leaks and pump failure vs none of that for maybe at best 3-5 degree difference, so lets say 75c vs 71c for example. for me the 3-5 degree is not worth the extra possible trouble.


I'm not so kind to corsair aio because 9 of my friend's friends didn't listen to me and when I was building their systems they wanted to go with corsair aio instead of my recommendations of noctua. out of 9 I had to change 5 of those out due either leak, pump failure or fan failure.

Now fan failure is not common so I won't really count that one, that leaves us with 4, 3 of them endedup with a pump failure and 1 of them had leaks. Needless to say all had to be changed out. Now my family knows better then to not listen to me so they all have noctua, not one of them has had any problems, and that is lot of people. I won't get into my neighbors in the condominiums I have condos at.

I get better temps with noctua and noctua is more quiet. and I'm not only one saying that:

Originally posted by db188 D15 performs like a 240mm Corsair HX100i only 10dB lower in noise.  you also get cooling of the voltage regulator with the air cooler and i've seen temp differences up to 16 degrees in favor of the air cooler over the AIO LC when it comes to these mobo temps.

So while I understand that some of you like the corsair based on the one you have, I can't say the same based on the ones I have installed.

Which is the reason you don't see me like the corsair, its has issues. the h110 seems to be a little better but if I'm gonna go that route why bother with corsair why not go with swiftech which is much better.

At the end of the day to each his own if you don't mind having to deal with possible issues of the corsair aio then by all means go for it, maybe you will have issues and maybe you wont, no one can tell you for sure, and I'm not saying if you go corsair aio you will have issues, I'm just saying the possibilities exist so be ready in case and know what you are getting into. Never get any pc part and assume that you or it is going to be fine, thats never the case.

Doc keep in mind the 68xx cpus are from the old tech/platform and bring nothing for gaming, the 6700k is on the new platform/tech thus it has better performance per core.

If you want better cooling than noctua then go hydrolux lite, but if you want real LC performance then you need to go hydrolux pro aka open loop, only then will you see a big enough difference in temps otherwise you are gonna be around the same ball park with the rest, as far as temps go its pro first, hydrolux lite second, and then the rest are all within 5c of each other.



Edited by DST4ME - 04 Sep 2016 at 2:50am

Our pleasure and good luck

sealed systems have the least performance, the corsair and vortex are sealed, hydrolux lite is not sealed as it can be expanded.

Not sure why but ya the founders editions is the most expensive here for some reason.

https://www.digitalstorm.com/configurator.asp?id=1486152

I've tweaked DST4ME's config. Will post another Hailstorm I'm considering as well.
https://www.digitalstorm.com/configurator.asp?id=1486158


Hmmm. So how do I make these links actually work?


Edited by Doc - 08 Sep 2016 at 9:57am

Stage 1 even with the hydrolux?

Do you think the hydrolux pro is worth the extra 450? That's the main difference, that and the case.
Thought about using that extra money on the Acer predator.

Oh yeah, The Velox case, The one side is glass like pictured or do they just have the side panel off to show the inside?

Edited by Doc - 08 Sep 2016 at 10:56am

Thanks man. I'm close now. Just have to decide to actually spend the dang money.

Did it. Hovered over the submit button for 30 minutes or so. Lot of money for a toy. Oh well, it just the kid's college money.

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Edited by Doc - 08 Sep 2016 at 7:39pm

Actually air is more harsh.

That is what I hear from my fedex and ups friends

torture torture

You doing 2 builds?