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Post Date: 2015-03-15

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    Posted: 15 Mar 2015 at 12:53pm
I purchased a DS Ode system last year and with the exception of a couple of small issues after receiving it it has so far been a great system. However, I was recently made aware of something which has me greatly concerned regarding long term stability.

In short, I showed the system to a friend visiting from out of state who has been a computer and IT specialist for years and he was impressed with it's overall quality until he looked at the CPU-Z stats which showed a v-core of 1.416v regardless of the system power settings.

He advised that the Intel maximum recommended voltage for the i7-4930k processor should not exceed 1.40v. He further stated voltage at that level could, and in his opinion, most likely would result in early failure even if the cooling system keeps temperatures in check. He even went so far as to say that a processor needing that kind of voltage to operate even OC'd (it does have a OC to 4.3 GHz) should never have been placed in a system.

I'm deeply concerned about this and wanted to post to get the opinions of others here and hopefully have my fears allayed that that it isn't as big of a deal as indicated. I've already had the system several months with no significant issues, but a processor failure is something needless to say I'd like to avoid.

I hope I posted this in the correct part of the forum and thanks in advance to everyone for taking the time to read and/or answer.

I will say that my experience with DS so far has been quite positive and I really like my comp. I'm just distressed at the possibility that my jewel may in fact turn out to be a lemon in disguise.     


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  Quote bprat22 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 15 Mar 2015 at 2:04pm
Hi Wholly_Knight... I tend to agree with your IT guy, which I usually don't. Lol.

Going as far back as Sandy bridge processors, an under 1.4 vcore was usually recommended and asked for in Special Instructions. Even though temps are good, it's still the voltage that can kill.

That being said, unless you fold 24/7, I don't think that 1.416 vcore will cause a problem in the time you have it, meaning many years before your next upgrade. Years of 1.45 and higher isn't unusual from others feedback.

I personally like 1.4 or less, but I also think you're good.

I'd call or email DS and ask them.   I have found them to be up front on issues like this.

If your vcore/ core speed stays high even on idle, Speedstep might need to be turned on in Bios. Ask DS about this, also.

I'm far from an oc expert so take this as info from others feedback and oc forums.

Good luck.





Edited by bprat22 - 15 Mar 2015 at 2:23pm
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  Quote FrankW Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 15 Mar 2015 at 2:20pm
Hi Wholly_Knight.

As a general rule most CPU Vcore voltages should not exceed 1.4 volts. There are a bunch of Over Clockers that run quite abit higher than that. Especially if they are going for high bench scores. It may or may not shorten the life of the CPU with a Vcore over 1.4. Conservative people may not want to exceed 1.38 or so. CPUs vary from chip to chip and what destroys one CPU may be no problem on another CPU. If you are concerned about your Vcore setting you may want to reduce it to 1.38 or 1.39. Your setting does seem a little high but DS must of had good stability at that level. You may have a chip that doesn't respond well to Vcore voltage and DS had to raise it to reach you 4.3 OC. Give DS a call and they will be glad to adjust your OC if you will be more comfortable with a lower Vcore setting.

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  Quote FrankW Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 15 Mar 2015 at 2:23pm
Well dang, bprat22 was posting while I was writing.

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  Quote Pacesetter Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 15 Mar 2015 at 3:10pm
Intel lists 1.4V as max on this link in section 7.4.

http://www.intel.com/content/dam/www/public/us/en/documents/datasheets/4th-gen-core-i7-lga2011-datasheet-vol-1.pdf




Table 7-8. Processor Absolute Minimum and Maximum Ratings

Symbol Parameter Min Max Unit Notes1,2


VCC
Processor core voltage with respect to VSS
-0.3 1.4 V

VCCPLL
Processor PLL voltage with respect to VSS
-0.3 2.0 V

VCCD
Processor I/O supply voltage for DDR3 (standard voltage with respect to VSS
-0.3 1.85 V

VCCD
Processor I/O supply voltage for DDR3L (low Voltage) with respect to VSS
-0.3 1.7 V

VSA Processor SA voltage with respect to VSS
-0.3 1.4 V

VTTA VTTD
Processor analog I/O voltage with respect to VSS
-0.3 1.4 V

Notes:
1. For functional operation, all processor electrical, signal quality, mechanical, and thermal specifications must be satisfied.
2. Excessive overshoot or undershoot on any signal will likely result in permanent damage to the processor.



From what I have seen people are OCd to 1.37 to 1.42 and stable. My sources say it can be highly dependent on the chip its self, the BIOS and motherboard.

You are about 1% higher voltage which isn't very detrimental to the lifespan of the chip.
If it is a great concern you can try the 1.37V and see if it is stable. If it is just save the bios as profile 2.



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Originally posted by FrankW

Well dang, bprat22 was posting while I was writing.

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http://valid.canardpc.com/8wh69t

1.399 Vcore and stable.
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  Quote Wholly_Knight Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 16 Mar 2015 at 9:18am
While I don't do anything like folding with the system I do use it for heavy gaming and streaming which is particularly CPU intensive. I advised the DS people what it would be used for at the time of ordering.

I'm generally a bit of a technophile and fairly knowledgeable about PC's and components, but bios tweaking and overclocking is an area I'm not comfortable with doing myself and is a major reason I chose to have a system professionally built. 

I will contact DS to see what they have to say.  The machine came with a 2 year parts warranty which it now appears I may need as the CPU appears to possibly be slowly killing itself Cry

Many thanks to everyone who replied.

 

Edited by Wholly_Knight - 16 Mar 2015 at 9:21am
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  Quote bprat22 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 16 Mar 2015 at 9:23am
I really don't think the vcore is anything to worry about, but let DS decide and they will turn it down if you like. 

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  Quote Alex Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 16 Mar 2015 at 4:50pm
@Wholly_Knight,

Welcome to the forums! I understand your concerns and I'll be honest, you have nothing to worry about. That voltage is perfectly fine as long as your processor is running nice and cool (below 85'C) under full load.

It's common to have your processor running around 1.40v with overclocking and liquid cooling. That's what we had for your system when it was testing here (I can send you screenshots if you would like). Please note, this is overclocking we're talking about and it's pushing beyond Intel normal spec.

Even ASUS uses that setting for overclocking, see their very own overclocking guide here: http://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?38018-Ivy-Bridge-E-Easy-Overclocking-Guide-%96-The-Listy-Wordy-Edition

To make things easier for you, if you're system's CPU goes dead in the next 5 years, you contact us, and we'll replace the CPU for you. You can save this conversation that I posted here for reference as well.

I hope this helps address your concerns.
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  Quote Meller Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 27 Mar 2015 at 10:34pm
Originally posted by bprat22



I'm far from an oc expert so take this as info from others feedback and oc forums.

Good luck.





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  Quote bprat22 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 28 Mar 2015 at 4:21am
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