How is this build?Post Date: 2017-09-23 |
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rai-zero
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Topic: How is this build? Posted: 23 Sep 2017 at 11:50am |
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$2k Gaming and general computing Saved Ticket #: 1749000 https://www.digitalstorm.com/cart/view-cart.asp?product=1536435&wt=30&from=&fromcode=&randomid=&S10=1 Getting ready to order only thing I'm on the fence about is the CPU Please advise best chip Intel or AMD for $2000 budget Thanks |
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bprat22
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Quote Reply Posted: 23 Sep 2017 at 2:07pm | |
For gaming which is still primarily a single core task, maybe more for a select few but not over quad core needed, the Intel 7700k beats the 1600x partly due to its faster clock. For multi-tasking, streaming while you game, the added cores of the 1600 put it ahead of the 7700k. For gaming get the 7700k.
I would change the 750 watt B1 for the G1 for another $39. It’s Gold vs Bronze and a fully modular box. Your monitor resolution determines the video card. Gtx 1070 for 1080p and most 1440p. The 1080 is for higher 1440p. Hope this helps. Edited by bprat22 - 23 Sep 2017 at 2:28pm |
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rai-zero
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Quote Reply Posted: 23 Sep 2017 at 2:48pm | |
Thanks for the reply.
Monitor will be 1080p to 1440p Is OC of CPU or Video card worthwhile.? I don't want to decrease the life or cause over heating issues and don't want to add more cooling as I'm already at $2k limit. But if Overclock is really important I could do it if it's safe If I do OC do I need to add more cooling? |
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bprat22
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Quote Reply Posted: 23 Sep 2017 at 2:55pm | |
If you go for the 7700k then it Turbos to 4.5 so you don’t need the extra overclock unless you went to the stage 2 to 4.8 and I wouldn’t do it myself. The gpu overclock also isn’t needed with DS not giving it much of a boost.
If you stay with AMD 1600 then I’m not sure what clock overclocking would give you. I would go 7700k, no overclocks and your cooler is good. |
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db188
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Quote Reply Posted: 23 Sep 2017 at 3:26pm | |
actually, the 1600X most directly competes with the I5-7600K. my preference from a gaming standpoint would be the Intel proc, because it overclocks better. if you are considering content creation than the 1600X would better suit you.
other thoughts: i'm not sure which cooler DS uses for its stage 1 air cooling, or whether it's really an upgrade over the stock AMD proc cooler. since my recommendation is the Intel I5 w/oc, i'd recommend an upgrade to either the Noctua air cooler or one of the 240/280mm AIO liquid coolers. in regards to overclocking: you can go with the DS free overclocking service, but all it is is 1-button auto oc, which anyone can do themselves. although the software has gotten better over the years it is still recommended to take the time to educate and do it yourself. auto oc'ing tends to push too much voltage through the cpu, which decreases the lifespan more than a finely tuned oc will. you're also probably going to get more performance finely tuning it yourself. there are several guides for each cpu on the web to follow. just remember, your proc is only as good as its silicon (meaning it's a lottery). and i've had an oc'd I5-2500k since it came out (7 years in November). for the gpu: there are always gains to be made from tweaking the clock speeds. download a free gpu tweaker like EVGA Precision to do it yourself. you don't even need to add voltage in many cases for modest gains. increasing voltage w/o proper cooling is what kills procs. allowing auto tuning to pump too much voltage thru the proc also wears on the life of the gpu just as it does on the cpu. the GTX 1070 is good for maximizing 1080p, but really it is entry/mid level for 1440p (2k). you might want to consider a monitor with your budget. a good TN 1440p 144Hz G-sync monitor will be in the $265 neighborhood. an IPS/VA will run you around $800. Edited by db188 - 23 Sep 2017 at 3:34pm |
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DST4ME
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Quote Reply Posted: 23 Sep 2017 at 5:59pm | |
I would stick with basic oc and then oc the cpu yourself if you feel like you need it, for gpu i don't recommend ocing that here either, I would do that one myself, as the guys pointed it out that is very easy to do.
The guys pretty much covered it lol didn't leave me much to say. Edited by DST4ME - 23 Sep 2017 at 6:00pm |
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rai-zero
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Quote Reply Posted: 23 Sep 2017 at 6:21pm | |
lastly what Motherboard is good, I think I'm going with Intel since I don't need to multitask a lot.
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DST4ME
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Quote Reply Posted: 23 Sep 2017 at 6:33pm | |
Lol touchy subject, we only have msi or asus here
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rai-zero
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Quote Reply Posted: 23 Sep 2017 at 6:39pm | |
but what specifications should I get, the stock motherboard or an upgrade level? I don't know what all they do.
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db188
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Quote Reply Posted: 23 Sep 2017 at 7:12pm | |
well, since i can't seem to find a config anywhere that offers the I5-7600K, i guess my entire point was moot. you can always build it yourself and get exactly the parts you want.
just change your original build to include 16GB of ram, upgrade the cooler to the DS 240mm AIO LC, the 600W psu is fine, downgrade the mobo to the standard B350M since you;ll only be using 1 pcie slot and from what i hear they oc the Ryzen procs fine. the upgraded cooler will allow you to oc better. from what i can tell fiddling with the configurator those changes come to $1,882. but in all honesty if you go with that, it's a better value to just buy the top of the line Vanquish. if you drop down to 1080p you can save money with the GTX 1060 and also find feature rich, fast monitors under $300. entry level for just basic 1440p starts at $300 and that's for slow models with bare bones features. if you want a comparable 1440p experience you'd have to realistically look at twice the cost, so $600 and up. Edited by db188 - 23 Sep 2017 at 7:15pm |
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DST4ME
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Quote Reply Posted: 23 Sep 2017 at 7:46pm | |
Motherboard choice is dependent on your needs, how many usb ports would you like? Of those how many do you want to be 3.x?
Are you going for heavy oc or light How many pci lanes or pci components do you need Those are just a few questions out of many to ask when choosing mobo Edited by DST4ME - 23 Sep 2017 at 7:46pm |
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bprat22
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Quote Reply Posted: 24 Sep 2017 at 2:37am | |
For the motherboard, for the majority of gamers without special needs, any mobo will do. When helping with builds I tend to skip the cheapest, ignore the most expensive unless one needs multi graphics cards or high overclocking, and pick a mid board. The middle of the road usually has better components like heat sinks, caps, etc for just another $30-50.
The Asus Tuff has reinforced slots, etc and comes with a 5 year warranty, much more than the typical 3 year warranty because of its construction. Would you need the extra warranty or actually use it ? Never know. The MSI Pro Carbon is another mid choice. |
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rai-zero
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Quote Reply Posted: 24 Sep 2017 at 6:37am | |
here is what I came up with thanks to your suggestions
Let me know if I forgot anything. Digital Storm Desktop - Config ID 1749355 $2,003.00 System Configuration: Chassis Model: Special Deal Hot Seller - Corsair Carbide Quiet 600Q Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish Trim Accents: - Standard Factory Finish Processor: Intel Core i7-7700 (Turbo Up to 4.20 GHz) (Codename Kaby Lake) (Quad Core) (Not Overclockable) Motherboard: MSI Z270 GAMING PRO CARBON (Intel Z270 Chipset) (Up to 3x PCI-E Devices) System Memory: 16GB DDR4 3000MHz Digital Storm Performance Series Power Supply: 750W EVGA SuperNOVA (750 G) (Fully Modular) Expansion Bay: - No Thanks Optical Drive: DVD-R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 24x / CD-Writer 48x) (Internal) Storage Set 1: 1x SSD M.2 (250GB Digital Storm Performance Series) Storage Set 2: 1x Storage (2TB Seagate / Toshiba) Storage Set 3: - No Thanks RAID Config: - No Thanks RAID Card: - No Thanks Internet Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections) Graphics Card(s): 1x GeForce GTX 1070 8GB (VR Ready) Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio HPC Processor: - No Thanks Extreme Cooling: AIR: Stage 1: High-Performance Copper Heat Pipe Cooler HydroLux Tubing Style: - Not Applicable, I do not have a custom HydroLux liquid cooling system selected HydroLux Fluid Color: - Not Applicable, I do not have a custom HydroLux liquid cooling system selected Cable Management: Premium Cable Management (Strategically Routed & Organized for Airflow) Chassis Fans: Standard Factory Chassis Fans Internal Lighting: - No Thanks Airflow Control: - No Thanks Chassis Mods: - No Thanks Noise Reduction: - No Thanks LaserMark: - No Thanks CPU Boost: Stock Factory Turbo Boost Advanced Automatic Overclocking Graphics Boost: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my video card(s) OS Boost: - No Thanks, Please do not tweak the services on the operating system Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home (64-Bit Edition) Recovery Tools: Factory Reset Feature + Windows Installation CD (Partition up to 50GB of Storage) Virus Protection: FREE: McAfee AntiVirus Plus (1 Year Service Activation Card) (Not Pre-installed) ($35 Value) Office: - No Thanks Game: - No Thanks Display: - No Thanks Surge Shield: - No Thanks Speakers: - No Thanks Keyboard: - No Thanks Mouse: - No Thanks Branded Gear: - No Thanks Priority Build: - No Thanks, Ship Within 10-15 Business Days After Order Is Successfully Processed Warranty: Life-time Expert Care with 3 Year Limited Warranty (3 Year Labor & 1 Year Part Replacement) |
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bprat22
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Quote Reply Posted: 24 Sep 2017 at 7:19am | |
Very nice and all excellent choices.
I personally would opt for the 7700k. Even though the K is unlocked for overclocking and you won't be oc'ing, it does have the faster Turbo clock, 4.2 vs 4.5. It's not a big difference, but does help if you upgraded the video card in 3 years and wanted less likely bottle-necking. Bottle-necking can be over emphasized, not usually a game changer, so really up to each. As is, the rig is right on. I would just tweak the cpu but not needed if the budget is screaming at you. Good luck and keep us posted. |
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rai-zero
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Quote Reply Posted: 24 Sep 2017 at 10:42am | |
thinking more and maybe can plus size my budget to get a more future proof computer.
I do not know what monitor I am going to settle on, but maybe keep my options open for a more high def monitor in the future by getting the 1080 Graphics card because it's only a bit more than the 1070. Maybe 1440 monitor. I'm beginning to consider to OC my CPU myself as recommended, so could get the liquid cooler. Just wanted to ask what Motherboard would be best for this new build (to consider OC potential)? I placed a higher end Motherboard but can save some money if it's not necessary Digital Storm Desktop - Config ID 1749440 $2,476.00 System Configuration: Chassis Model: Special Deal Hot Seller - Corsair Carbide Quiet 600Q Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish Trim Accents: - Standard Factory Finish Processor: Intel Core i7-7700K 4.2 GHz (Codename Kaby Lake) (Unlocked CPU) (Quad Core) ******Motherboard: ASUS ROG Maximus IX Hero (Intel Z270 Chipset) (Up to 5x PCI-E Devices) System Memory: 16GB DDR4 3000MHz Digital Storm Performance Series Power Supply: 750W EVGA SuperNOVA (750 G) (Fully Modular) Expansion Bay: - No Thanks Optical Drive: DVD-R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 24x / CD-Writer 48x) (Internal) Storage Set 1: 1x SSD (480GB Digital Storm Performance Series) Storage Set 2: 1x Storage (2TB Seagate / Toshiba) Storage Set 3: - No Thanks RAID Config: - No Thanks RAID Card: - No Thanks Internet Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections) Graphics Card(s): 1x GeForce GTX 1080 8GB (Performance Edition) (VR Ready) Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio HPC Processor: - No Thanks Extreme Cooling: H20: Stage 2: Corsair H110i GT - 280mm Liquid CPU Cooler (Fully Sealed + No Maintenance) HydroLux Tubing Style: - Not Applicable, I do not have a custom HydroLux liquid cooling system selected HydroLux Fluid Color: - Not Applicable, I do not have a custom HydroLux liquid cooling system selected Cable Management: Premium Cable Management (Strategically Routed & Organized for Airflow) Chassis Fans: Standard Factory Chassis Fans Internal Lighting: - No Thanks Airflow Control: - No Thanks Chassis Mods: - No Thanks Noise Reduction: - No Thanks LaserMark: - No Thanks CPU Boost: Stock Factory Turbo Boost Advanced Automatic Overclocking Graphics Boost: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my video card(s) OS Boost: - No Thanks, Please do not tweak the services on the operating system Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home (64-Bit Edition) Edited by rai-zero - 24 Sep 2017 at 10:47am |
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bprat22
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Quote Reply Posted: 24 Sep 2017 at 11:15am | |
You don’t need the Maximus Hero for overclocking. The MSI would be just fine. The Maximus does make it easier and I think it’s audio is also better. Nothing wrong going with a high end mobo. You do get more. For the average user, a mid level is all that’s needed.
It is a good idea going for a better cpu cooler if you want to overclock. If you’re thinking maybe a 1440p Monitor then the gtx 1080 is the right pick. |
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rai-zero
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Quote Reply Posted: 24 Sep 2017 at 11:36am | |
thanks
I am totally niave regarding OC of processor is there a good resource to walk me through it? |
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bprat22
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Quote Reply Posted: 24 Sep 2017 at 11:40am | |
Got me there. I don’t oc myself, but leave it to DS and their moderate amount.
It’s not that much more for their work, even though it is easy thru Bios, etc, and they cover it if something goes wrong. |
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DST4ME
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Quote Reply Posted: 24 Sep 2017 at 2:21pm | |
Ocing the 7700k is pretty easy, there are bunch of videos out there, start with a simple oc, where you pretty much adjust the multiplier and raise the voltage slowly, a light oc will not need that much voltage.
What you want is a nice low voltage (below 1.4, lower better) that hold a stable oc. Example, let's say you want a 4.8 oc, now theoretically lets say a range between 1.35 vcore (voltage) could keep that stable but you would not know that range till you do a few stability tests to realize that below 1.35 oc is not stable. Needless to say in above example 1.35 vcore is the lowest vcore we can go with, and you always want the lowest vcore possible, high vcore will shorten your cpu life. We can oc the oc ourselves and endup with better/lower vcore than the one DS does. For this reason we recommend ocing yourself. For me 1.4 vcore and 80c temp is were I draw the line Edited by DST4ME - 24 Sep 2017 at 2:22pm |
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db188
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Quote Reply Posted: 24 Sep 2017 at 4:10pm | |
i'm not really sure why you won't go with the $1,800 Vanquish, it's got everything (w/the exception of the cpu cooler) you need. you could just order the $85 Noctua D15 or be Quiet Dark Pro 3 air cooler from Amazon or Newegg; or for LC the Corsair H100i V2 240mm AIO for $110 and install it yourself. saves you money for that monitor upgrade and you get almost same performance (smaller ssd in the 240GB drive that comes with the Vanquish).
you can also buy a 1TB M.2 NVMe ssd from either Samsung (960 EVO) or Plextor (M9Pe 2280) for around $450 if you want extra large ssd storage. both offer excellent price>performance value. both have half the capacity/half the price variants as well. |
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rai-zero
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Quote Reply Posted: 24 Sep 2017 at 5:20pm | |
good idea. I was mainly picking the Slade because it is a quite case. I am not sure how much fan noise is with the Vanquish. I had one DS system around 7 years ago, and it sounded like a Helicopter taking off, so wanted to see if I could get something quiet. Is there any idea how much fan noise is with the Vanquish? |
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db188
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Quote Reply Posted: 24 Sep 2017 at 5:24pm | |
next, you'll want to dl/intsall Core Temp or HWMonitor to monitor your temps, voltages, power readings, clocks, utilizations, etc. having 2 monitors really helps with your testing/monitoring. also, dl/install Prime95 to stress and benchmark your cpu. once you're all setup with the apps, you're ready to get your baseline performance numbers prior to oc. you'll want to run Prime95's blend test for about 5 mins or so to get your cpu stressed enough (the system will automatically boost all of its power settings) to evaluate how it's performing at stock speeds/voltage. if you blue screen/crash at this stage things don't bode well for you and i'd consider returning the cpu as defective. once you have your stock vcore, clocks, and thermal numbers (i suggest keeping a journal handy to record), you're ready to proceed with the actual oc process. you'll want to adjust the cpu core(s) multiplier ONLY at this stage. set all cores to the same multiplier. they will already be set to their default (record this as well). you can start by either increasing it incrementally by 1 each time and then stress test it, or you can select a max multiplier you think your proc should be able to handle with your cooling capacity and then stress test it. if you do the latter, you're almost certain to BSOD if the multiplier is high enough. it's probably best to increase it incrementally over stock by 1 until you BSOD. once you reach the max multiplier with stock voltage that doesn't cause you to BSOD, you will now begin to increase the vcore (voltage). start off increasing vcore by .01-.05mV and then stress test with Prime95 each increment change. run the test until you BSOD. the idea is to keep increasing the vcore until you no longer crash due to instability. just don't exceed the recommended max vcore for your proc (probably 1.4V). once you think you have a stable combination of multiplier and vcore, you'll want to stress test with Prime95 for much longer (probably run it for 24 hours) to insure stability. quick and sloppy oc'ing can cause corruption and instability as well as decrease the lifetime of your proc. if you're lucky with the silicon lottery, you'll have a chip that requires less voltage to hit higher clock speeds. if you're cursed you'll get a lemon that requires too much voltage to hit any real speed benefits. most of us fall in between and we have to settle for moderate gains with acceptable voltages. of course, the more superior cooling you have will offset some of the silicon's short comings. good luck with it. please also reference more in depth guides for your specific proc from around the web. you'll notice i didn't touch on memory in this little guide. memory should be left alone/set to run at its rated speed while overclocking the proc. you can set the memory to run at its XMP profile after you overclock the cpu, or you can manually overclock the memory as well. the internet guides cover this more in depth and i refer you to them. the 7700k is a beast at stock (turbo up to 4.5GHz), but you can still squeeze another 300MHz out of it even with average silicon relatively easy. if you have good silicon and superior LC you might even push it over 5GHz! |
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db188
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Quote Reply Posted: 24 Sep 2017 at 5:32pm | |
that being said, there are ways to minimize the sound profile of even open cases. larger fans that move more air at lower speeds is one way. LC with large rads = more fans at lower rpm speeds also reduces the sound output. i will add that the sound you heard was more likely coming from the gpu rather than the case fans. and with that closed case you're going to want to run a blower-style graphics card cooler to expel the hot air out of the rear of the case rather than cards that use multi fan air coolers that dump heat into the case and rely on the case cooling to circulate that hot air out of the case. |
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DST4ME
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Quote Reply Posted: 24 Sep 2017 at 5:49pm | |
Fan noise is easy to deal with, replace fans with quiet ones. But as mentioned most times the loudest fan is the gpu fan, make sure you set the fan speed yourself so its not max speed 24/7, also depending on your case you want to decide what type air cooling style you want on gpu, blower or multi style, as db mentioned.
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rai-zero
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Quote Reply Posted: 26 Sep 2017 at 6:15am | |
Lots of great advice so far. However seeing the new Coffee Lake chip will be out shortly I'm going to wait a few to see.
I have wanted a new PC for a while but been living with my laptop so another month won't matter. Coffee lake is supposed to be 20-30% faster in some games for just a bit more cost but I'm not sure how long until DS comes out with them in their build. |
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bprat22
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Quote Reply Posted: 26 Sep 2017 at 7:09am | |
Digital Storm usually has new products in their builds the day of release. Gotta stay on top and competitive.
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Quote Reply Posted: 26 Sep 2017 at 11:13am | |
Expect The Best, Come To The Best Digital Storm FTW |
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db188
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Quote Reply Posted: 26 Sep 2017 at 3:07pm | |
Coffee Lake is still just Sky Lake cores coupled with Kaby Lake integrated graphic cores, they're just unlocking the additional core counts throughout their lineup. the real chip to wait for (for anyone upgrading) is their 10nm Cannon Lake (now pushed back even futher to late 2018/early 2019). Coffee Lake is really what should've been offered before AMD launched Ryzen, but in typical Intel fashion they held it back just so they could trump AMD.
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