New $5K Build; Recommendations?Post Date: 2015-11-15 |
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Olerong
Newbie Joined: 10 Feb 2015 Online Status: Offline Posts: 33 |
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Topic: New $5K Build; Recommendations? Posted: 15 Nov 2015 at 2:59pm |
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$4,500 - $5,500 Expectations: Upgrade from 6 year old ----- ------- Mach V; able to play modern and near-future (1-3 years) games on Ultra settings at good frame rates; anticipate usage for 5-6 years. Usage: Gaming; can support three monitors (at non-4K) or two monitors (at 4K) Special Needs: None; noise reduction is not important; is Velox best option for expectations? Saved Ticket #: 1317587 Specifications: Chassis Model: Special Deal Hot Seller - Digital Storm Velox Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish Trim Accents: - Standard Factory Finish Processor: Intel Core i7 5930K 3.5GHz (Six-Core) (Unlocked CPU) Motherboard: ASUS X99-DELUXE USB 3.1 (Intel X99 Chipset) System Memory: 16GB DDR4 2666MHz Corsair Vengeance LPX (High-Performance) Power Supply: 1000W Corsair HX1000i (Digitally Controlled Power) Expansion Bay: - No Thanks Optical Drive: DVD-R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 24x / CD-Writer 48x) Storage Set 1: 1x SSD (512GB Samsung 850 PRO) Storage Set 2: 1x Storage (3TB Western Digital - Black Edition) Storage Set 3: - No Thanks RAID Config: - No Thanks RAID Card: - No Thanks Internet Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections) Graphics Card(s): 2x SLI Dual (NVIDIA GeForce GTX 980 Ti 6GB (EVGA HYBRID Edition) Sound Card: Creative Sound Blaster Zx (Includes Audio Control Module) HPC Processor: - No Thanks Extreme Cooling: AIR: Stage 2: Noctua NH-D15 (Extreme Performance) H20 Tube Color:- Not Applicable, I do not have a custom HydroLux liquid cooling system selected Chassis Fans: Upgrade All Fans to Corsair Airflow Performance Edition (Up to 6 Fans) Internal Lighting: - No Thanks Airflow Control: - No Thanks Chassis Mods: - No Thanks Noise Reduction: - No Thanks LaserMark: - No Thanks Boost Processor: Stage 1: Overclock CPU - Up to 4.4GHz (Depends on Cooling and Motherboard) Boost Graphics Card(s): - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my video card(s) Boost Memory: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my memory Boost OS: - No Thanks, Please do not tweak the services on the operating system Windows OS: Microsoft Windows 10 Home (64-Bit Edition) Recovery Tools: Windows Recovery Toolkit (Bundled with Windows CD) Virus Protection: FREE: McAfee AntiVirus Plus (1 Year Service Activation Card) (Not Pre-installed) ($35 Value) Office: - No Thanks Game: - No Thanks Display: - No Thanks Surge Shield: - No Thanks Speakers: - No Thanks Keyboard: - No Thanks Mouse: - No Thanks Portable Gaming: - No Thanks Branded Gear: - No Thanks Priority Build: - No Thanks, Ship Within 10-15 Business Days After Order Is Successfully Processed Warranty: Life-time Expert Care with 3 Year Limited Warranty (3 Year Labor & 1 Year Part Replacement) ...removed competitor's name... Edited by Snaike - 15 Nov 2015 at 7:44pm |
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db188
DS Veteran Joined: 29 Jul 2014 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2115 |
Quote Reply Posted: 15 Nov 2015 at 3:45pm |
Velox is on back order from what i've recently heard, plus it's an open air case (so dust and noise concerns). it's a good option if you plan on expanding water cooling to bigger rads. however, the Corsair 760t "Apollo" can handle your current config. it's a good all-around performer. i'm pretty sure the Corsair 550D "Slade" can also handle the two 120mm coolers on the hybrid graphics cards as well. it might be a good choice with your config.
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I7-6700K Gigabyte G1 Z170X Gaming GT 16GB Corsair Dominator 3000MHz Corsair Hx1000i 1000W Samsung M.2 980 Pro 2TB;Samsung 850 EVO 1TB MSI RTX 3080 Ventus OC 10G LHR Gigabyte M28U 4K |
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Olerong
Newbie Joined: 10 Feb 2015 Online Status: Offline Posts: 33 |
Quote Reply Posted: 17 Nov 2015 at 9:59am |
Thanks for the advice. I am less concerned with the back order wait and more concerned with what the best case is for this build. Should I go with water cooling, or will the air cooling that I selected be about as good? I am not particularly concerned about noise, but I have had "overheating" problems on some older machines. Would you recommend moving to water cooling, and if so, what would you recommend?
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bprat22
DS ELITE DigitalStorm East -- (Unofficially!) Joined: 08 Jun 2011 Online Status: Offline Posts: 20391 |
Quote Reply Posted: 17 Nov 2015 at 10:16am |
Hi Olerong.... To save a few bucks, change the 5930k for the 5820k cpu. The only real world difference is the number of Pcie lanes for graphocs and the 5820k has all you need.
The Noctua D15 is my pick. Good for moderate overclock on a 6 core chip, plus the most dependable and very quiet. A H100i/H110i will also work great. They have come a long way, dependable with 5 year warranty, but still more to go wrong down the road. FYI... The Noctua is a huge cooler and the inboard fan will overhang the inner ram slots and if they are populated needs to be unclipped to get at the sticks. No big deal, but something to be aware of. |
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db188
DS Veteran Joined: 29 Jul 2014 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2115 |
Quote Reply Posted: 17 Nov 2015 at 2:02pm |
if people are willing and able to do a little maintenance (and have the budget) i almost always suggest a custom open water loop to a closed AIO water cooler. they are throwaway products. when the pump goes bad that's all she wrote. might as well go with the best air cooling imo.
however, if you want to venture into open water loop cooling you can really push the overclocking, as long as you get enough radiator. there aren't a lot of "mid tower" cases that can support the amount of rad that would enable you to seriously cool a cpu+multiple vid cards+chipset. that's why you need to look at DS' larger cases (Velox, Hailstorm, Aventum). custom open loop water cooling is an enthusiast sport in it's own right. if you're ready to dive into custom open loop water cooling than i'd recommend you go with their quick disconnect flex tubing option for beginners. the quick disconnect option seals the loop so that you can remove components that need replacing or diagnostic testing w/o having to completely drain the entire loop and dismantle portions of it. you just unplug the problematic component (like a vid card) and the rest of the system remains cooled by the loop. if you go with this option i'd also recommend getting different vid cards (like the factory overclocked Strix cards) that can also be cooled under the loop. if that doesn't really appeal to you i'd stick with an Apollo case over a Velox because you won't have to be cleaning it out as much and it will be quieter. |
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I7-6700K Gigabyte G1 Z170X Gaming GT 16GB Corsair Dominator 3000MHz Corsair Hx1000i 1000W Samsung M.2 980 Pro 2TB;Samsung 850 EVO 1TB MSI RTX 3080 Ventus OC 10G LHR Gigabyte M28U 4K |
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Olerong
Newbie Joined: 10 Feb 2015 Online Status: Offline Posts: 33 |
Quote Reply Posted: 06 Dec 2015 at 11:20am |
I made some tweaks to my build based on feedback. Would appreciate any additional feedback on the build below. Wondering if 1000W PSU is good for this build, or if it should be 1200W. Also, any other thoughts would be welcome. Thanks!
Chassis Model: Special Deal Hot Seller - Digital Storm Velox Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish Trim Accents: - Standard Factory Finish Processor: Intel Core i7 5930K 3.5GHz (Six-Core) (Unlocked CPU) Motherboard: ASUS X99-DELUXE USB 3.1 (Intel X99 Chipset) (Up to 4x PCI-E Devices) System Memory: 16GB DDR4 2666MHz Corsair Vengeance LPX (High-Performance) Power Supply: 1000W Corsair HX1000i (Digitally Controlled Power) Expansion Bay: Option Not Available Optical Drive: DVD-R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 24x / CD-Writer 48x) Storage Set 1: 1x SSD (1TB Samsung 850 PRO) Storage Set 2: 1x Storage (2TB Western Digital - Black Edition) Storage Set 3: - No Thanks RAID Config: - No Thanks RAID Card: - No Thanks Internet Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections) Graphics Card(s): 2x SLI Dual (NVIDIA GeForce GTX 980 Ti 6GB (ASUS Strix Edition) Sound Card: Creative Sound Blaster ZxR (Ultimate in Audio Playback and Creation) HPC Processor: - No Thanks Extreme Cooling: AIR: Stage 2: Noctua NH-D15 (Extreme Performance) H20 Tube Color:- Not Applicable, I do not have a custom HydroLux liquid cooling system selected Chassis Fans: Corsair Airflow Performance Edition (Up to 6 Fans) Internal Lighting: - No Thanks Airflow Control: - No Thanks Chassis Mods: - No Thanks Noise Reduction: - No Thanks LaserMark: - No Thanks Boost Processor: Stage 1: Overclock CPU - Up to 4.4GHz (Depends on Cooling and Motherboard) Boost Graphics Card(s): - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my video card(s) Boost Memory: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my memory Boost OS: - No Thanks, Please do not tweak the services on the operating system Windows OS: Microsoft Windows 10 Home (64-Bit Edition) Recovery Tools: Windows Recovery Toolkit (Bundled with Windows CD) Virus Protection: FREE: McAfee AntiVirus Plus (1 Year Service Activation Card) (Not Pre-installed) ($35 Value) Office: - No Thanks Game: - No Thanks Display: - No Thanks Surge Shield: - No Thanks Speakers: - No Thanks Keyboard: - No Thanks Mouse: - No Thanks Portable Gaming: - No Thanks Branded Gear: - No Thanks Priority Build: - No Thanks, Ship Within 10-15 Business Days After Order Is Successfully Processed Warranty: Life-time Expert Care with 3 Year Limited Warranty (3 Year Labor & 1 Year Part Replacement) |
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Quote Reply Posted: 06 Dec 2015 at 11:53am |
Yes, a 1000W PSU is good. If you want to expand to 3-way SLI GPU's at any time, you would want to go with the 1200W.
Money is better spent on speakers and amplification than a dedicated sound card. On-board audio is excellent these days. I would suggest getting the Intel 750 SSD over the Samsung 850 Pro. Also, if DS is still using the Panasonic UJ-265 slot-loading Blu-Ray drive and you are interested in UltraHD Blu-Ray playback in the future, I'd recommend upgrading the ODD, as well. |
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bprat22
DS ELITE DigitalStorm East -- (Unofficially!) Joined: 08 Jun 2011 Online Status: Offline Posts: 20391 |
Quote Reply Posted: 06 Dec 2015 at 12:50pm |
Looks real good. Other than the psu suggestion if you ever want 3way sli and the possible CPU mentioned earlier, it's a strong rig. As is, go for it.
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Olerong
Newbie Joined: 10 Feb 2015 Online Status: Offline Posts: 33 |
Quote Reply Posted: 06 Dec 2015 at 12:53pm |
Any advantage in going mini-SAS over PCI-E (or vice-versa) for the Intel SSD? It's a pretty big price difference between Samsung 850 Pro; Intel SSD is about double the price for 1 TB. Is it much better?
No plans to go with 3-way SLI in the near future; will go with 1000W PSU. Looking at using a Dell UltraSharp U3415W monitor. Btw, any other monitor suggestions for 2-way SLI 980 Ti's? I primarily play MMO's, MOBA's, and FPS (though not at a super-competitive level). I am using Audioengine A5+ for speakers - primarily used for music and movies; probably will stick with them. I generally use headphones for gaming. I see a blu-ray option for the ODD, but no mention of make or model; it just lists Blu-Ray & DVD Writer/Reader (Burn + Play Blu-Ray & DVDs) (12x BD-R) |
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Quote Reply Posted: 06 Dec 2015 at 2:06pm |
Yes, it is substantially better. The SATA interface limits drive speeds to 6Gb/s (0.75GB/s), whereas the PCI-e interface is not the limiting factor and the Intel drive is 2.2-2.4GB/s: http://www.anandtech.com/show/9090/intel-ssd-750-pcie-ssd-review-nvme-for-the-client. Also, the NVMe interface dramatically reduces latencies as there no longer are multiple protocol conversions in the communication chain. Due to the way the internal interfaces between the NAND controller and the NAND works, the 400GB units have higher performance than the 800GB ones. The 1.2TB units have the highest performance, but not by much.
The Mini-SAS would be preferable for you. It doesn't have the 25W limit the add-in card has, so less likelihood of throttling due to power limits. It also keeps your other PCI-e slot free for other devices. For monitors, many are making much ado about the Asus Swift PG348Q, which has an ultrawide 34" 3440x1440 screen with G-Sync adaptive refresh rate up to 100Hz for fast paced gameplay and limited screen tearing. But it'll cost you a pretty penny, too (I think it'll be ~$1,400 to start with). I'll defer to db188 for headphone DAC's, as he's more up-to-date on the latest there. I think he's written about it elsewhere on this forum. You'll need to talk to John ([email protected]) to find out about which model of Blu-Ray player they have. You can include it in your build notes at the bottom of the configuration page and they'll make sure you're good before they process the build, too. |
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db188
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Quote Reply Posted: 06 Dec 2015 at 2:46pm |
i thought i've read about a downside to the mini-SAS being heat concerns with how it is oriented on the mobo-as compared to the pcie version. tradeoffs
i'm waiting on the ultra wide Asus monitor myself. just FYI, 21:9 format isn't supported by every game maker. go here for more info/list of game: http://www.wsgf.org/ i think i replied to you in another thread about the audio stuff. weren't you asking about a sound card? i normally steer clear of sound cards because they are notorious for poor driver support and software conflicts with the OS. however, i've read that the Creative Labs Sound Blaster ZX (and specifically the ZXR) line is really good and well supported. from what i've read it would fit your usage extremely well for both phones and speakers due to its expanded connectivity options and I/O. for someone just on phones like myself i would recommend an external DAC (i use the JDS Labs Objective DAC) and amp (i use the SMSL sAP II) combo. the DAC is connected via USB to the comp with a 3.5mm jack>2-plug RCA cable running to the amp (which has it's own power supply). the amp is connected to phones by a 6.3>3.5mm (w/incl adapter), but you still have to plug the mic into a separate source (i use my keyboard jack as it's convenient location due to the DAC/amp sitting on my desk). the amp is very powerful for its low price. i also use fairly high impedance phones. it's a great little amp imo! |
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I7-6700K Gigabyte G1 Z170X Gaming GT 16GB Corsair Dominator 3000MHz Corsair Hx1000i 1000W Samsung M.2 980 Pro 2TB;Samsung 850 EVO 1TB MSI RTX 3080 Ventus OC 10G LHR Gigabyte M28U 4K |
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Olerong
Newbie Joined: 10 Feb 2015 Online Status: Offline Posts: 33 |
Quote Reply Posted: 07 Dec 2015 at 10:36am |
I saw the reply in the other thread re: audio - thanks! That was why I opted for the ZxR over the Z, but if I go with the Intel SSD, I may drop the soundcard and pick it up later.
I thought that I read somewhere that the Intel SSD was slower than the Samsung Pro on boot, but I could be wrong on that. I am using it as a boot drive, but yea, overall seems much better than Samsung Pro. If I go with one, it would be the 1.2 TB drive - still confused on mini-SAS vs. PCI-E since both of you gave differing opinions. When will the Asus Swift PG348Q be available? I think I may wait for that one, too. Kinda feeling like we're on the cusp of affordable 4K+ monitors in the next year or so. Wondering if 2-way SLI 980 Ti would reasonably be able to handle 4K gaming at high settings, or if we'll see some significant jumps in GPUs in the next year. Thoughts? Realistically, I'm not looking to "future proof" the machine, but would really like to play games on ultra settings for the next 2-3 years, at least. I'll reach out to John on the ODD. Thanks for the help guys! Big purchase, just trying to be comfortable with everything. |
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