New X99 based motherboards, VELOX IIPost Date: 2016-06-09 |
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blake
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Topic: New X99 based motherboards, VELOX II Posted: 09 Jun 2016 at 8:08pm |
Any estimate when the new crop of X99/Broadwell-E based motherboards will be available for the desktop systems?
Ex. MSI X99A xPOWER Gaming Titanium, Gigabyte GA-X99 Designare EX, Asus X909-Deluxe II? Also, is it likely the VELOX design will be refreshed any time soon (Aventus is already on 3rd gen!)? |
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Quote Reply Posted: 09 Jun 2016 at 8:36pm |
They already have the Deluxe II and the Rampage V Extreme Edition 10 in the configurator. More will probably come over time. Typically they have used Gigabytes boards for lower-end/entry-level X99 and Asus boards for the high-end.
The Velox just had a minor refresh with the side panel becoming a large window. DS will show off concepts and new products at CES in January and it can be many months before they are actually sold. |
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blake
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Quote Reply Posted: 10 Jun 2016 at 10:41pm |
The Asus Deluxe II looks like a great X99 board. BUT huge issue: if you run Nvidia GPUs in SLI x2 AND an M2 drive, the M2 will share PCIe lanes with the GPU and slow it down!
It seems Asus they designed the mobo so PCIEX16_3 slot (where your 2nd GPU sits) shares bandwidth with M.2 card (your OS drive). Terrible design. Does Digital Storm have a work around or another motherboard for users building a system with 1080 SLIx2 and an M2 boot drive (which I would think is a common configuration) ? From Asus Wesbsite (Specs): 40-Lane CPU- 4 x PCIe 3.0/2.0 x16 (single at x16, dual at x16/x16, triple at x16/x16/x8, quintuple at x8/x8/x8/x8/x8 mode) *1 *1:PCIe x16_3 shares bandwidth with M.2 and U.2_2. It runs at x16 mode by default. PCIe X16_5 shares bandwidth with U.2_1. It runs at x4 mode by default with U.2_1 enabled. Edited by blake - 10 Jun 2016 at 10:44pm |
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db188
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Quote Reply Posted: 10 Jun 2016 at 11:50pm |
i haven't read a review yet mentioning a problem with it. the board comes with an m.2 hyper kit for use in pcie 3.0 slots, so just use it in one of the many x16 slots. with a 40-lane cpu all slots get Gen3 speed.
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blake
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Quote Reply Posted: 11 Jun 2016 at 12:03am |
Re: Asus Deluxe-II SLIx2 and M.2 SSD sharing bandwidth.
Nvidia SLIx2 (x16/x16) will use PCIe16_1 and PCIe16_3 slots. For reasons that baffle me, Asus downgraded two slots to PCIe gen2. So that leaves only PCIe16_4, PCIe16_5 slots available. #4 is physically blocked by GPU, so I guess you can use the M2 adapter card in #5 as you suggest. But then you cant use the thunderbolt adapter card. Anyways, kind of bad design. Some NewEgg reviews complain about this. Hopefully Asus ROG Rampage V Edition 10 is better thought out. |
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db188
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Quote Reply Posted: 11 Jun 2016 at 12:06am |
the downgrade is only for a 28-lane cpu (i.e. 5820K). on a 40-lane cpu you can use all 5 expansion slots from what i've read about the board.
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db188
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Quote Reply Posted: 11 Jun 2016 at 12:38am |
you can always opt for pcie nvme u.2 storage.
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Quote Reply Posted: 11 Jun 2016 at 12:50am |
Blake is right about the M.2 downgrading, even with a 40-lane processor:
The RVEd10 has a slightly different PCI-e configuration than the RVE, but it still looks good. The RVE had it where a 40-lane would split the last slots x8 bandwidth with the M.2 and a 28-lane would simply disable the last slot and permanently enable the M.2. The RVEd10 just states that the U.2 and M.2 share bandwidth with the last slot. The interesting bit is how for the 4-way GPU set-up there is options for both x16/x8/x8/x8 and x8/x8/x8/x8. This makes me want to believe that there is a fairly complicated PCI-e switch set-up, but I'm not exactly sure how it is. The RVE did have a somewhat complicated setup for 3-way where the second x16 slot would share bandwidth with the third x16 slot with a 40-lane processor, but a 28-lane processor would have the second x16 slot share bandwidth with the first slot. Edit: It looks like the RVEd10 does the same for 3-way as the RVE did. But still not clear on how exactly the M.2 and U.2 share bandwidth. But you can run x16/x16 and have the M.2 operation all at once. Edited by - 11 Jun 2016 at 12:53am |
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db188
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Quote Reply Posted: 11 Jun 2016 at 1:08am |
"All five of the x16s have Gen3 connectivity from the CPU"; for fuk's sake i was reading a gen1 x99 deluxe reviewapologies Blake. you're right that is a strange slot arrangement. the linked gen2 slot is slot#4 on the Deluxe I.
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blake
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Quote Reply Posted: 11 Jun 2016 at 7:08pm |
I agree - looks like the ROG Rampage V Edition 10 is designed better in terms of PCIe bandwidth sharing.
ASUS specs say "The PCIEx8_4 slot (gen 2.0) shares bandwidth with M.2 and U.2." So this means SLI x2 can run dedicated x16/x16 (with a 40 lane CPU). Better than the Deluxe II setup (but more expensive mobo). Not sure about SLI x3... but, at least for GTX 1070/1080, there is no point to SLI above SLI x2 as Nvidia officially said not supported (for gaming). Do you guys know if Digital Storm's custom Hydrolux Control Software can control all the LED's on these new bling'ed out RGB motherboards (like the RVEd10), RGB RAM, EK water blocks etc. |
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Quote Reply Posted: 11 Jun 2016 at 7:29pm |
I don't believe the DS controller can interface with the RGB control for the motherboard lights. If you want everything to be controlled from a single source, you'd probably need to use the Asus Aura.
Edited by - 11 Jun 2016 at 7:30pm |
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