Stay within budget and advice neededPost Date: 2018-04-14 |
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Bamafan 
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 Topic: Stay within budget and advice neededPosted: 14 Apr 2018 at 4:28pm |
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4 - 5k Expectations: Would like to potentially play most games on ultra and in 4k as much as possible with decent FPS to actually have the best experience. Monitor I would like to buy in the future will be :Acer Predator X35 & ASUS ROG Swift PG35VQ and although id like more than 1 I doubt I will be able to afford it. I also am undecided regarding if its better to have 1 TITAN XP or 2 108TI in SLI, maybe I could save by getting 1 TITAN XP but the associated requirements to in the future have 2 (basically required PSU and what not already installed?). Lastly is having 32GB vs 64GB of RAM a tremendous help? Usage: Gaming Special Needs: Just true hardware advice and price hunting regarding potential for future upgrades and also would like to know more about maintenance on these new liquid cool systems in Aventum (cant seem to agree with liquid versus air due to water being anywhere near something electronic over years) Saved Ticket #: Would hopefully get one from you experts out there :) Specifications: Just trying to maximize bang for buck and potential for future upgrades without having to buy multiple other parts. I appreciate any help or custom configurations anyone can send, and really just trying to make the decision in the near future if I can buy this beast. Also, has anyone tried the finance option and can tell me more about it lol. |
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bprat22
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Posted: 15 Apr 2018 at 3:44am |
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Here’s a great build to start with. Not sure your storage requirements so you can adjust it if needed.
Sli gtx 1080ti is recommended for high end 4 k gaming. The Titan XP is only marginally better than single .1080ti. Too expensive for little gain. The 1080ti is back ordered however. I also didn’t give you full water cooling. Kicks you way above budget and not sure your skills at doing the upgrades you want the option for. Working on water cooling means draining, adding water blocks , tubing possibly. 16gb ram is plenty for gaming. Configuration Code: 1901563 Total Price with Instant Savings: $4,612.00 Direct Load URL: https://www.digitalstorm.com/configurator.asp?id=1901563 Specifications: Chassis Model: Digital Storm Velox Exterior Finish: Exotic Paint Finish - Blanco White Trim Accents: - Standard Factory Finish Processor: Intel Core i7-8700K (6-Core) 3.70GHz Motherboard: ASUS ROG STRIX Z370-H GAMING (Intel Z370 Chipset) (Up to 3x PCI-E Devices) <br><strong></strong> System Memory: 16GB DDR4 3000MHz Digital Storm Performance Series <br><strong></strong> Power Supply: 1000W EVGA GQ <br><strong></strong> Expansion Bay: - No Thanks Optical Drive: - No Thanks Storage Set 1: 1x SSD M.2 (512GB Samsung 960 PRO) (NVM Express) (Extreme Performance) <br><strong></strong> Storage Set 2: 1x Storage (3TB Seagate / Toshiba) Storage Set 3: - No Thanks RAID Config: - No Thanks RAID Card: - No Thanks Internet Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections) Graphics Card(s): 2x SLI Dual (GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB (Performance Edition) (ETA Middle of May) <br><strong></strong> Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio HPC Processor: - No Thanks Extreme Cooling: H20: Stage 2: Corsair H110i GT - 280mm Liquid CPU Cooler (Fully Sealed + No Maintenance) <br><strong></strong> HydroLux Tubing Style: - Not Applicable, I do not have a custom HydroLux liquid cooling system selected HydroLux Fluid Color: - Not Applicable, I do not have a custom HydroLux liquid cooling system selected Cable Management: Premium Cable Management (Strategically Routed & Organized for Airflow) Chassis Fans: Standard Factory Chassis Fans Internal Lighting: Remote Controlled Advanced LED Lighting System (Multiple RGB Color Modes) <br><strong></strong> Airflow Control: - No Thanks Chassis Mods: - No Thanks Noise Reduction: - No Thanks LaserMark: - No Thanks Boost Processor: Stock Factory Turbo Boost Advanced Automatic Overclocking Boost Graphics Card(s): - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my video card(s) Boost OS: - No Thanks, Please do not tweak the services on the operating system Windows OS: Microsoft Windows 10 Home (64-Bit Edition) Recovery Tools: USB Drive - Windows 10 Installation (Format and Clean Install) Virus Protection: Windows Defender Antivirus (Built-in to Windows 10) Office: - No Thanks Game: - No Thanks Display: - No Thanks Surge Shield: - No Thanks Speakers: - No Thanks Keyboard: - No Thanks Mouse: - No Thanks Branded Gear: - No Thanks Priority Build: - No Thanks, Ship Within 15-20 Business Days After Order Is Successfully Processed Warranty: Life-time Expert Care with 3 Year Limited Warranty (3 Year Labor & 1 Year Part Replacement) Hope this helps. 
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Cretae
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Posted: 15 Apr 2018 at 6:33am |
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Ditto on the 1080 Ti vs Titan.
In case you were not aware, the video cards are selling right now at a $400 markup from MSLP due to shortages from crypto-mining. The next generation of video cards is due out from Nvidia around mid-summer, so with their production winding down, the shortages will likely continue. Were I you, if at all possible, I would wait to see the new gen. You're looking near end of May for delivery anyway. We expect the top card to be able to max out 4k. Since one 1080 Ti can nearly get there at 60 frames now, that's not an unreasonable expectation. That could easily bring the cost of this build down $1000 or more. (Single card solution at a price reflecting the waning cost-effectiveness of mining.) Anymore, the custom liquid cooling seems more for show than practical use. My 8700k has never topped 60C on an AOI cooler like the one suggested here. That's 20-25C below a temp near the top end! 
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Bamafan
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Posted: 15 Apr 2018 at 9:38am |
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Okay then, thank you very much for the advice so far! I have been hearing about the cost and potential next gen cards (will there actually be a new card by summer of this year? I would have thought they keep the titan as top of the line to force more customers to buy it.) In addition, I was also going to say I really wanted to try and use the new i9 processors as opposed to the i7s as 18 cores is way better than 6, but is that just me being wasteful? I like that you can multitask between more functions more reliably and quickly with better processor. But I guess really that's the only remaining question I have, and maybe when you guys might think the next gen card or more reasonably a large price drop may occur in the market
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bprat22
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Posted: 15 Apr 2018 at 11:19am |
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The 18 cores is way better if you have use for them. For gaming, a single core primarily, and 3-4 cores in some cases, is all you need. You mention multi tasking. If it’s heavy multi tasking across a number of apps then added cores might help. If it’s multiple website tabs for viewing, then no.
Cores are like ram, some think the more the better. That’s true IF you can use them. Otherwise they just sit with nothing to do. Can’t say when or how much for the new cards. I guess whenever Nvidia sees it as a marketing bonanza. Titan cards have always been more hype than substance, price per performance. The name TITAN has so many people salivating, the name alone must mean the best by far. Nope. Excellent marketing with the name. The original purpose of Titan cards weren’t for gaming but scientific calculations, forecasting, etc where their added vram and double precision floating point calculations were important.
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Bamafan
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Posted: 15 Apr 2018 at 2:37pm |
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I see, so even with 4k gaming maybe its better to just have more RAM? and stick to less cores than worry about the new i9 processors (I actually thought the more cores actually improved graphics more so by less demand from the card itself (since these new cards are basically their own self contained computer)? And I will keep an eye out for the next gen cards may be able to wait that long (so hard though >.<)
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Cretae
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Posted: 16 Apr 2018 at 6:05am |
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More RAM is not necessary for gaming. 16GB is sufficient and often more than needed. It's recommended for some day in the future when it may come into play.
Understand the higher end graphics cards are far more powerful than many consumer CPUs. They are specialists in graphics, but in the absence of elaborate graphics to render, they can use their enormous number crunching power for general computing. They're set up to be extremely fast. It's estimated the 1080 Ti has 4 times as many transistors as a 8700k. Something like 12 Billion! Most modern CPUs include graphics capability on the chip, but it can't come close to performance by a dedicated GPU like a 1080, and if you have one, the graphics circuits on the CPU contribute nothing. |
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