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    Posted: 06 Apr 2016 at 8:00am
I just received my Slade build from Digital Storm. I had them overclock the CPU before shipping.

I monitored my CPU temperature with HWmonitor Pro (from CPUID).

After an evening of playing the new Tom Clancy Division, I checked max temperatures. Most of the CPU cores were max'd in the low 90s, while one peaked at 99. The dual Nvidia 970s peaked at 80.

The CPU is a 6700K.

No crashes, no glitches -- everything ran just fine.

Should I be concerned about the CPU temp in the long term? Should I step it down a notch, or leave it as is?

Thanks.

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Hi wimcolgate..... Are you reading the temps in F or C ?     If its F then the temps are great.  If its in C then you do have some concern.  Anything in the mid 80's C or higher should be looked into, like increasing the fan speed for the cooler you have.  What cooler do you have for the cpu?


Your 970's are fine for heavy gaming. 




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Hi wimcolgate..... Are you reading the temps in F or C ?     If its F then the temps are great.  If its in C then you do have some concern.  Anything in the mid 80's C or higher should be looked into, like increasing the fan speed for the cooler you have.  What cooler do you have for the cpu?Your 970's are fine for heavy gaming. 


Centigrade -- the default display setting for HWMonitor Pro.

The CPU cooler is the "H20: Stage 2: Digital Storm Vortex 120mm Radiator Liquid CPU Cooler"

If I should back off the overclock -- What's the easiest/best setting? I didn't do the overclocking (DigitalStorm did).
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I wouldn't initially do anything with the overclock.  I would however go into Bios and see what the cooler fans are set to.  I don't remember the exact terminology, but if they're set on Quiet then turn them up the Performance. 

If you are using their Thermal Control Board then the fans might be plugged into that and then the software that comes with it would be used.  

Make sure the cooler fans is running and the case fans are also. 

Some coolers have or had a small fan control button on the cooler pump itself that you can toggle. 




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Hi wimcolgate,

Do you have a level 1 or 2 Overclock? If you have level 2 OC then you can back down to level 1. DS should help you with that.

I doubt that DS would send out a computer with the CPU at those temps. Have you done a Benchmark test. I would do a benchmark for 5 minutes or so to see what your temps get to. If they shoot up to 90C then I would stop the test and call DS.

Make sure all of your fans are working. Open the side door and see if the temps drop.

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Another consideration is the 970's that you have.   If they are the single fan, reference type that exhaust the heat out the back, then that's probably not a contributing factor.  If they're the multi fan, Strix type that dump the heat into the case, then the Slade is a closed up case for noise reduction.  

Like Frank suggested, if opening the side panel drops the temps and they are the Strix, then that's the issue. 

What are your system specs?  We're just speculating here. 
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Thanks for all the comments. I will check on all of the above when I get home. At work.
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I just checked your test results from our stress-testing at the facility and your system was averaging 85'C on a full stress-load. Playing a game should not even stress your CPU to 100% like we did.

I have a feeling the fan on your radiator might not be spinning, or the pump is not running.

To check the fan, just have a look at the radiator, is the fan spinning?

To check the pump, place your hand on the CPU block, it should have a slight vibration to it.
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Hi wimcolgate,

You have gotten a lot of good information. I have a Corsair AIO and I can't tell if it is running by touching it. I suggest you take a piece of copy paper out of your printer and roll it up into a tube. About 1 1/2" is a good size. Open the side door and hold the paper tube up to your ear and against the AIO pump. You can hear the faint ticking of the pump. It won't be real loud but you can definitely hear it. If you have the center tube out of a roll of paper towels that makes a great tube for listening. I keep one around my workbench just in case.

Please let me know if you can tell your pump is running by touching it. It just doesn't work for me.   

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you should have Corsair Link installed since that's a Corsair H80 cooler, what info does it read?   
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The answer to the dual 970s is that they are the twin fan MSI model. So I'm guessing they whisk their heat from the GPU and dumps it in the case.

I did two things, and ran about 45 minutes of the same game.

1) removed the side panel
2) changed the fans in the BIOS from "normal" to "turbo". What that means is that the fans ramp up to full power sooner (like at 65C instead of 75C or thereabouts).

The core max temps stayed below 80C (67C-79C for all cores) and the "Package" (HWMonitor PRO speak) peaked at 81C. The Video cards peaked at 74C and 65C.

So I guess I'll be running it like this.

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Those temps are all good for under stress.   More like it .  Hahaha

Try it with the side panel on.  If it stays within a few degrees then all is good.  If they climb again then my guess is the cards are the culprit.   That case has the option for side panel fans with acoustic panel off if needed.    With my older ODE, 600T case, I did install side panel  fans with my older gtx 570 but could remove them after going with a single MSI 970 Gamer 4G card. 

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Lets hope the change in temp was due to the change to tubo fan. As bprat22 suggested, try with the side panel on and see what effect it has on the temps.

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With the side cover on, the temps got into the mid 80s.

I can probably just add two side fans to get more air through the chassis. It will take away from the stealth/silent build I was going for.

Alternatively, I can crank down the overclock. Which also takes away from my intentions

Any one have recommendations for two semi-silent fans (they look like 120mm mounts).

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http://www.amazon.com/Cougar-Vortex-Cooling-CF-V12HPB-Black/dp/B008N323U6 i have a pair of these in the front of my case and they are pretty quiet
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I used the Nexus Real Silent 120mm fans on my side panel.   Couldn't hear them. They came with 3 pin to 4 pin pass through connectors so you connect them to the mobo or to the peripheral molex 4 pin from the psu.

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My computer began to lock up and found out it was getting a bit warm. So I did a bio check and feedback I got was the CH#2 fan(s) were overheating as shown by the red color. Everything else was in the blue. I however don't know to which specific fan it was referring.

Is there an app that gives me specific info regarding CPU and fan temps? My computer seems to begin to lock up after about 2 hours after boot up.

My system uses Corsair H100i 240 mm radiator liquid CPU cooler.


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Originally posted by Grape

My computer began to lock up and found out it was getting a bit warm. So I did a bio check and feedback I got was the CH#2 fan(s) were overheating as shown by the red color. Everything else was in the blue. I however don't know to which specific fan it was referring.

Is there an app that gives me specific info regarding CPU and fan temps? My computer seems to begin to lock up after about 2 hours after boot up.

My system uses Corsair H100i 240 mm radiator liquid CPU cooler.


thanks


Doh, forgot I had CorsairLink2 software already installed. My CPU temp is about 40ish Centigrade. The H100i temp is red but will switch to 35 degrees centigrade at times..so not consistent. The pump is at 1091 rpm? The GeForce fan is 1101 rpm?

I am guessing that my cooling liquid level is low????? How do I check the level of the cooling liquid. I cannot find a resource to find how to check it.


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Forget Corsair Link and use HWmonitor to check your cpu and gpu temps, and fan speeds in some cases.     Below 80ish C is good and not the problem.  If it gets into the mid 90sC then the H100 might not be pumping adequately, 

Make sure your radiator for the H100 is clear of dust buildup on the inside, behind the fans,  Canned air to blow it out.

There is no fluid filling on the sealed H100. 
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Thanks for the reply. I am receiving a good air blower today for blowing out the dust in my computer.
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Sounds good. Use short burst of air and hold the fan blade so the air doesn't spin it up too high for too long.

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Using my data vac, I blew out the dust <holding fans as suggested>. I focused on blowing up into the radiator and a lot of dust came out. Took me about a minute so I could see no dust coming out. Checked corsair link 2 monitor and the H100i indicator was blue in color and at a 32 degrees centigrade. Every thing was in the 32 to 35 range.

It worked. Yay!


Thank you very much. I had not dusted in awhile after remodeling. So now I will make a calendar check to blow out every few months.


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I double checked my temps this morning via CorsairLink2 and all temps are normal. Decided to test a game I have which locked up before and lo/behold it locked up again. I think I have issues with Comcast gateway router for internet/networking as they sent out a notice and have not received the replacement yet. I did uninstall and reinstall the game, but still locked up.

I decided to check the fan temps with bio monitoring. In advanced mode I noticed that Chassis fan 1 speed is at 5192 rpms, but fans 2,3 and 4 are at 505 to 511 rpms.

Is that accurate? Temps or router issues that creates computer lockup?????

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Don't think the fan speeds are accurate,   The 5000 rpm would put your rig in orbit.   Hahaha

Half that is more accurate, at least for the Corsair fans I've looked into. 

Lockup can be a ton of different causes.   If your temps are what you posted, then not a temps issue.  Routers can be one source of lockups while online. 


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Originally posted by bprat22

Don't think the fan speeds are accurate,   The 5000 rpm would put your rig in orbit.   HahahaHalf that is more accurate, at least for the Corsair fans I've looked into.  Lockup can be a ton of different causes.   If your temps are what you posted, then not a temps issue.  Routers can be one source of lockups while online. 



Yes, that is what I am thinking.
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Did a Geoforce driver update and closed the window after update. Screen locked, then got the spinning blue circle, then screen went black. That happened once before.

I rebooted and checked my Geoforce temp and it was at 40 degrees centigrade with low load. Is that normal temp?

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That's a good temp for no load, but it's the high load that needs to be looked at.   I'd keep HWMONITOR open while pushing the card.    

You could have a bad card or corrupt drivers.   Try going into Device Manager, uninstall the card, reboot and see what happens. Or use CCLEANER to clean Nvidia drivers, then do a clean driver install.   Your screen will go to the large VGA default text initially until the new driver installs.

Driver install also has the Custom, Clean install to try which might be easier.
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Originally posted by bprat22

That's a good temp for no load, but it's the high load that needs to be looked at.   I'd keep HWMONITOR open while pushing the card.    

You could have a bad card or corrupt drivers.   Try going into Device Manager, uninstall the card, reboot and see what happens. Or use CCLEANER to clean Nvidia drivers, then do a clean driver install.   Your screen will go to the large VGA default text initially until the new driver installs.

Driver install also has the Custom, Clean install to try which might be easier.


Thanks, I will try CCLEANER first.
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Originally posted by Grape

Originally posted by bprat22

That's a good temp for no load, but it's the high load that needs to be looked at.   I'd keep HWMONITOR open while pushing the card.    

You could have a bad card or corrupt drivers.   Try going into Device Manager, uninstall the card, reboot and see what happens. Or use CCLEANER to clean Nvidia drivers, then do a clean driver install.   Your screen will go to the large VGA default text initially until the new driver installs.

Driver install also has the Custom, Clean install to try which might be easier.


Thanks, I will try CCLEANER first.


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While in CCLEANER, use the Analyze button to clean the rig of junk.    That has fixed weird problems for me on a couple of occasions, usually slow issues and not so much what you have, but can't hurt.
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you should try an offline game to take the router issue out of the equation first in order to see if your pc under load while gaming is seeing unusually high temps.  the H100i AIO cooler is more than sufficient for the cpu to have good temps during gaming, even with an overclocked cpu.  btw, is your cpu oc'd?  by how much and how much vcore?  

fyi, the Corsair H100i fans are Corsair model SP120L (2700rpm, 74.5cfm, 4-pin PWM controlled, 37.7dba).  it could be that the "5400rm" reading you got was just the software adding both cpu cooler fans together, which would mean both fans are working at max voltage/speed. 

this cooler is a sealed unit, so no need to worry about fluid level (unless you have a leak).  if you have or had a leak, you could be running low or dry.  the other issue is the pump could be going bad.  of course this assumes that heat is what's causing your pc to lock up.      


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you should try an offline game to take the router issue out of the equation first in order to see if your pc under load while gaming is seeing unusually high temps.  the H100i AIO cooler is more than sufficient for the cpu to have good temps during gaming, even with an overclocked cpu.  btw, is your cpu oc'd?  by how much and how much vcore?   fyi, the Corsair H100i fans are Corsair model SP120L (2700rpm, 74.5cfm, 4-pin PWM controlled, 37.7dba).  it could be that the "5400rm" reading you got was just the software adding both cpu cooler fans together, which would mean both fans are working at max voltage/speed.  this cooler is a sealed unit, so no need to worry about fluid level (unless you have a leak).  if you have or had a leak, you could be running low or dry.  the other issue is the pump could be going bad.  of course this assumes that heat is what's causing your pc to lock up.      





I do believe my CPU is overclocked a bit as it is unlocked. The H100i fans are running about 1050 rpms each. Never had a leak and I checked for leaks and saw none. The pump temp seems to be ok.
I will check the games through Steam via the offline mode and see what happens.

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