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  Quote Goku1910 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Topic: Bolt III | Looking for any suggestions/changes
    Posted: 24 Feb 2016 at 12:12pm
I'm looking into my first gaming PC to replace my ancient HP M9510f. I've been a fan of the Bolt series since it was first revealed and with my savings finally where I want it to be I can afford one. I'm basically looking for a PC to support my habit of making Coaster Simulations in No Limits Coaster 2 which isn't all that demanding of a game but my current setup can barely run medium settings at 20 to 30 FPS when there's 3D content and lighting added. Lighting especially kills the FPS. I still find it amazing I'm able to pump out 1080/60p videos on this machine but at an incredibly slow pace. The Bolt III seems to be a powerhouse that exceeds my needs. With a machine like this I will most likely move some games from console as well which is why I'm going with the X99 Edition.


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Mid-range gaming at 1440p and possibly 4K video recording later on. The video recording will not be for a demanding game so I'm not expecting 4K for The Division or similar games. Low noise is another big factor.

Usage:
Simulation games, video rendering, and The Division....which is now FREE with GTX.

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  Quote bprat22 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 24 Feb 2016 at 2:19pm
Hi Goku1910.... One area to save a couple of hundred bucks is to go with the 5820k chip.   The only real difference is the number of PCIE lanes to graphics cards, and the 5820k has all you need, even if you could sli, which Bolt doesn't.   Clock speed difference is irrelevant with overclocking.


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  Quote Goku1910 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 24 Feb 2016 at 7:48pm
I researched into it and found that you're right, it's a difference of 1-2 FPS. With such little difference the 5820K seems as the better choice. I'm not looking for workstation enthusiast type CPU's like the 5960X either.

This is the updated Ticket# 1377300

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Is the "4K video recording" going to entail a lot of editing of 4K footage? If you're going to be spending hours and hours editing footage, yes, the 6-core and 8-core processors are worth it. But if not, I'd go for a higher clocked i7-6700K processor. Also, you can opt for a fully water cooled system with them, including the GPU, so noise can be dialed down and temps maintained very low over long durations.

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  Quote Goku1910 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 24 Feb 2016 at 9:47pm
I was actually looking more into the X99 over Skylake due to it's hexa-core and better future proofing. The videos I'm doing now on 7 year old hardware are 1080/60p and although I can render these, the editing can be a hassle since it lags so badly. I end up pre-rendering a lot of clips to make sure it looks the way I want it to before doing the full render.....Turns it into a time consuming process. From the bits of research I've done it is better to have Skylake if the machine will only be used for gaming, but in terms of video render performance the X99 will out-perform it.

I eventually want to move No Limits Coaster Simulation up to 1440p, and then again up to 4K. This will be plugged into a 4K TV just to record for that one game and this machine will not be for 4K gaming but for 1440p gaming.

I'm absolutely sure the Bolt III can handle No Limits 2 at any resolution/setting since it's not highly demanding when compared to recent games.
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  Quote Goku1910 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 25 Feb 2016 at 6:22pm
I was about to pull the trigger today but paypal credit declined me. I must look at the bright side.....just a few more checks to save the extra $500 to get it.

Ticket 1377300 will be my choice when the time comes. Soon to be a DS customer :)

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  Quote  Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 27 Feb 2016 at 1:35pm
The typical time between changing out processors and motherboards is 4-5 years for the typical consumer. Even though Intel will do three generations of processors on the larger sockets, the next type of socket will be out before you are ready to upgrade. The notion of "future-proofing" is not really a good idea to justify a particular design decision.
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  Quote db188 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 27 Feb 2016 at 2:07pm
i agree, "future proofing" is a cringe-worthy term.  i do think X99 has great legs, so to speak and a great platform for this customer's needs.  if this were for a gaming only rig, X99 only makes sense for a 3 or more vid card config.  less than that, Z170 is the better choice.  
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  Quote Goku1910 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 27 Feb 2016 at 2:34pm
I have said before that this is not just a gaming machine. If it was I would undoubtedly go with Skylake....even a DS rep said the exact same thing. the two extra cores and quad channel benefit the games very little if at all, but programs like Sony Vegas will benefit from those extra cores. I've managed to use this dated Yorkfield hardware to get videos out but it takes up to an hour to render less than 8 minutes and on top of that it can't playback the unccompressed AVI at 1080p without lagging which makes the editing process itself that much more difficult.

I want to get these videos up quicker and easier. I've done the research and have seen numerous times where the X99 absolutely blew the skylake away in render times.
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I wasn't questioning your decision to go with X99. I also gave exception for video editing as being a good use for extra CPU cores above. I was just saying to not expect a "future-proof" computer where you have only minor upgrades down the road when you're ready for them.
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Yeah, I'll give you that one, dumb term for me to use. My standards are usually low, I don't expect max settings on everything in every game with AA on. I expect it to work comfortably. I can make the best out of old hardware. As I shown I've managed to make the 8 year old Yorkfield last, now that I have money in place I can afford to move on from this thing already. Just in case anyone is curious, here's the basics of my current system which is bottle-necked in just about every way you can imagine.

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Nice! Why did you go with the 6850K over the 6800K? The typical reason to go with the 6850K is to get more PCI-e lanes, which the X99E-ITX motherboard can't use. I'd switch the processor and upgrade the cooling...just a suggestion.
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Did end up with the 6850K Thanks to it's 14nm improvement and itty bitty extra clock speed.
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You probably wouldn't end up with any different clock speed as you have them applying a moderate overclock to the processor. The PCI-e lanes would be the only thing different, which that motherboard is incapable of using anyhow. You can save $235 by switching to the 6800K.
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Congrats.

Going with the 6800k instead of the 6850k is the same as my earlier recommendation for the 5820k vs the 5930k.    Only difference is the number of Pcie lanes.   But, up to you of course.   Both work.

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Congratulations, Strongthat is one powerful system. IMO always better to get more than you need if you can afford it. You never know what is coming down the pipeline.
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Originally posted by Snaike

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being the idiot I was, I thought the 6850K was the new 5820K. Turned out to be wrong. DS's awesome customer service changed it to the 6800K for me
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being the idiot I was, I thought the 6850K was the new 5820K. Turned out to be wrong. DS's awesome customer service changed it to the 6800K for me


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Originally posted by Goku1910

being the idiot I was, I thought the 6850K was the new 5820K. Turned out to be wrong. DS's awesome customer service changed it to the 6800K for me


   
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Everyone replied with emoji's, no idea if I should take this as compliment or not.
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  Quote Snaike Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 05 Jun 2016 at 7:35am
<--- been here over two years and still the dumb question king.   
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  Quote bprat22 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 05 Jun 2016 at 7:46am
Originally posted by Snaike

<--- been here over two years and still the dumb question king.   


Not really.   Big%20Smile Plus you can delete us anytime we tick you off.  Hahaha

Always be nice to Snaike. 
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