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    Posted: 23 Aug 2010 at 11:32pm
Budget: roughly 1300
Have a monitor with max res of 1600 X 900
Have a cheap/generic keyboard and mouse

I will be using this computer for almost all gaming and watching netflix.com

Here is what I've been looking at

http://www.digitalstormonline.com/comploadsaved.asp?id=435171

I'm curious as to what type of air cooler that I have selected.

Also,could you all suggest one or two viable upgrade paths if possible with my current config?

Other advice is welcomed

Thanks in advance
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Edited by chemist1981 - 23 Aug 2010 at 11:34pm
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u can get a better intel system for that money
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well i thought that at first but he does have a 470 in there.. that changes the game some, tough to get that under 1400+intel
 
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I did check out your article or post. Look at how I formatted my post...and I'm using your favorite case and video card. lol ;)

My reasoning for going AMD is that most games don't use more than 2 cores heavily and for most games' details and textures are off-loaded onto the gpu not the cpu. Also, with AMD's continued reliance on the AM3 socket across its entire processor line, down the road you can just swap in a CPU with more cores when needed.

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The new games will use more than 2 cores for the most part, and a lot use 6 threads right now. and lost planet 2 uses 12+ I don't know how many it will use, I just know it will max out 12, but I only have 12.. lol
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ha youre right im sorry, i got carried away linking that guide yesterdayCrazy
 
eh, i mean thats true and not true. there is a lot to be said for the power you get out of intel chips, plus with hyperthreading, you dont need to think about upgrading for the next several years becuase the threads are already there. and as far as gaming goes, number of cores used may be low on average but the amount you rely on the speed/power of those active cores can heavily influence the performance of games that rely more on cpu power, check this out for a reference http://www.benchmarkextreme.com/Articles/I7%20920%20Bottleneck%20Analysis/P1.html (as always, minimum fps means way more than average fps, so look at minimum primarily)
now, i will say that at your resolution it will matter less, and im not even really trying to convince you to go with intel over amd, just talking. plus that article is almost a year old now, newer games are seeming to get more use out of your chip than before, like bf2 and sc2
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hyperthreading .. bleh. reverse hyperthreading   !!!StrongStrong can't wait.. that will do something useful!
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lol i cant say i disagree with that, but im not holding my breath Sad
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AMD and Intel both are working on it, and they will both deliver, soon. Big%20Smile
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Ender check out this article. It helped me reach my conclusion. 
 http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/turbo-boost-turbo-core-six-core,2690.html

I am thinking about getting a new monitor as well...how high of resolution do you all recommend?

But back to my question. Is this build viable? and What are the specs for the generic air cooler that I selected in original build?


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That is about the worst artice ever. lol showing an AMD 6 core doing better with cinebench 11.5.. when an old Intel quad core kills the AMD 6 core, and the 6 core intel.. well it is not even close..

remember that "turbo" is 100% marketting only, and has zero use on overclocked CPU's.
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Originally posted by justin.kerr

cinebench 11.5..  and the 6 core intel.. well it is not even close..

No no, you have to turn off hyper threading! It isn't a fair comparison with hyper threading! LOL
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chem hes right that article is a real waste, not relavent to what you are doing here, thats just comparing the marketing tricks of both companies
 
if you want real results look for overclocked i7 860s and 920s vs anything AMD can front
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/cpus/2010/04/27/amd-phenom-ii-x6-1090t-black-edition/1 (the 930 used in that article is the same thing as a 920)
overclocking takes amd out of the fight, no question about it. if youre comparing value, amd holds a spot, but performance/overclocking, it does not
 
you mean adding a monitor in to the budget, or buying it seperately?
 
the build is what we're debating, we are going to convince you to spend the extra and go with intel Strong
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Good article... well can you suggest a build an intel build? I think the one on your buying guide is good actually. I'm buying the monitor separately, but I can buy it all together if it makes economic sense. I want to use 1900 X 1200 or so resolution with a single video card.

Budget ~ 1500 for the computer


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Originally posted by Dragoonseal

Originally posted by justin.kerr

cinebench 11.5..  and the 6 core intel.. well it is not even close..

No no, you have to turn off hyper threading! It isn't a fair comparison with hyper threading! LOL

haha, I posted my Cinebench scores on an AMD forum.. thats exactly what they said. LOL so I posted my results with HT off, and on a quad.. still beat their 6 cores LOLIm%20with%20Stupid
 
On Star Craft 2. look up the differences in gaming frames per second with Intel Vs AMD.. it is a blood bath.. My little dual core smacking the crap out of AMD's 6 core, with the 6 core overclocked. so sad


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well the $1489 build comes to mind first of course,
http://www.digitalstormonline.com/comploadsaved.asp?id=434540
it just breaks my heart to see the i7 860 so close in this build. Technically it has all you need to game, but the power difference of the 860 vs 760 in overall use ... aka adding hyperthreading, can change the outcome of other uses, making the 860 worth it to me
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Originally posted by justin.kerr

Originally posted by Dragoonseal

Originally posted by justin.kerr

cinebench 11.5..  and the 6 core intel.. well it is not even close..

No no, you have to turn off hyper threading! It isn't a fair comparison with hyper threading! LOL

haha, I posted my Cinebench scores on an AMD forum.. thats exactly what they said. LOL so I posted my results with HT off, and on a quad.. still beat their 6 cores LOLIm%20with%20Stupid

Yeah I remember coming across the thread at one point. The 980X score with hyper threading was just hilarious, absolutely destroyed any AMD score, so they were all "Nuh uh! You're cheating! You can't use HT!", then you posted a score without HT and it still destroyed any AMD score, and they were all "Oh. Well.. okay then. Okay so the 980X is kind of beasty. ...BUT AMD IS STILL BETTER NEENER."

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