Gaming PC for WOW

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with ssd:

Here you go Ticket# 479166 --- $1848 (To see this build click here)

Copy of Specifications:
Chassis Model: Special Deal Hot Seller - HAF 922
Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish
Trim Accents: - Standard Factory Finish
Processor: Intel Core i7 2600K 3.40GHz (Unlocked CPU for Extreme Overclocking) (Quad Core)
Motherboard: ASUS P8P67 (Intel P67 Chipset) (Features USB 3.0 and SATA 6Gb/s)
System Memory: 4GB DDR3 1600MHz Digital Storm Certified Performance Series (Highly Recommended) (Hand Tested)
Power Supply: 750W Corsair TX (Dual SLI Compatible)
Expansion Bay: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 1: Operating System: 1x (80GB Solid State (By: Intel) (Model: X25-M MLC Edition) (Extreme Performance)
Set 1 Raid Options: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 2: Multimedia\Data: 1x (1TB Western Digital Caviar (7200 RPM) (64MB Cache) (Model: Black Edition WD1002FAEX)
Hard Drive Set 3: Backup\Misc.: - No Thanks
Optical Drive 1: DVD-R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 24x / CD-Writer 48x)
Optical Drive 2: - No Thanks
Internet Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections)
Video Card: 1x NVIDIA GeForce GTX 470 1.2GB (Includes PhysX Technology)
Add-on Card: - No Thanks
Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio
Extreme Cooling: AIR: Stage 1: Noctua NH-U12P SE Dual 120mm Fans High Performance Cooler
H20 Tube Color:- Not Applicable, I do not have a FrostChill or Sub-Zero LCS Cooling System Selected
Chassis Airflow: Standard Factory Chassis Fans
Internal Lighting: Internal Chassis Lighting System (Red)
Enhancements: - No Thanks
Chassis Mods: - No Thanks
Noise Reduction: - No Thanks
Boost Processor: FREE: Overclock the processor between 3.6GHz to 3.9GHz
Boost Video Card: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my video card(s)
Boost Memory: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my memory
Boost OS: - No Thanks, Please do not tweak the services on the operating system
Windows OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium (64-Bit Edition)
Recovery Tools: Windows Recovery Toolkit (Bundled with Windows 7 CD)
Virus Protection: - No Thanks
Office: - No Thanks
Benchmarking: - No Thanks
Install/Test Game: - No Thanks
Display: - No Thanks
Surge Shield: - No Thanks
Speakers: - No Thanks
Keyboard: - No Thanks
Mouse: - No Thanks
External Storage: - No Thanks
Exclusive T-Shirt: - No Thanks
Priority Build: - No Thanks, Ship Within 5-15 Business Days After Order Is Successfully Processed
Warranty: Life-time Expert Customer Care with 3 Year Limited Warranty

without ssd:

Here you go Ticket# 479167 --- $1583 (To see this build click here)

Copy of Specifications:
Chassis Model: Special Deal Hot Seller - HAF 922
Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish
Trim Accents: - Standard Factory Finish
Processor: Intel Core i7 2600K 3.40GHz (Unlocked CPU for Extreme Overclocking) (Quad Core)
Motherboard: ASUS P8P67 (Intel P67 Chipset) (Features USB 3.0 and SATA 6Gb/s)
System Memory: 4GB DDR3 1600MHz Digital Storm Certified Performance Series (Highly Recommended) (Hand Tested)
Power Supply: 750W Corsair TX (Dual SLI Compatible)
Expansion Bay: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 1: Operating System: 1x (1TB Western Digital Caviar (7200 RPM) (64MB Cache) (Model: Black Edition WD1002FAEX)
Set 1 Raid Options: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 2: Multimedia\Data: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 3: Backup\Misc.: - No Thanks
Optical Drive 1: DVD-R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 24x / CD-Writer 48x)
Optical Drive 2: - No Thanks
Internet Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections)
Video Card: 1x NVIDIA GeForce GTX 470 1.2GB (Includes PhysX Technology)
Add-on Card: - No Thanks
Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio
Extreme Cooling: AIR: Stage 1: Noctua NH-U12P SE Dual 120mm Fans High Performance Cooler
H20 Tube Color:- Not Applicable, I do not have a FrostChill or Sub-Zero LCS Cooling System Selected
Chassis Airflow: Standard Factory Chassis Fans
Internal Lighting: Internal Chassis Lighting System (Red)
Enhancements: - No Thanks
Chassis Mods: - No Thanks
Noise Reduction: - No Thanks
Boost Processor: FREE: Overclock the processor between 3.6GHz to 3.9GHz
Boost Video Card: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my video card(s)
Boost Memory: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my memory
Boost OS: - No Thanks, Please do not tweak the services on the operating system
Windows OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium (64-Bit Edition)
Recovery Tools: Windows Recovery Toolkit (Bundled with Windows 7 CD)
Virus Protection: - No Thanks
Office: - No Thanks
Benchmarking: - No Thanks
Install/Test Game: - No Thanks
Display: - No Thanks
Surge Shield: - No Thanks
Speakers: - No Thanks
Keyboard: - No Thanks
Mouse: - No Thanks
External Storage: - No Thanks
Exclusive T-Shirt: - No Thanks
Priority Build: - No Thanks, Ship Within 5-15 Business Days After Order Is Successfully Processed
Warranty: Life-time Expert Customer Care with 3 Year Limited Warranty

If I'm not mistaken, the 470 should give you what you want but check wow's forum to be sure.

I agree but the 570 put him over the budget, so if you can go with the 570 do so for sure.

but the 2500k has only 4 threads, this will impact games and other tasks, not worth the higher gpu. a 470 should let him play wow easy at that res, with the 470 I think his minimum should be 50 fps or higher.

justin has a thread somewhere on the forum that shows the difference with ht and none. I'm sure he is gonna do other things with it also

I figure its easier for him to upgrade gpu then it is cpu.

Edited by DST4ME - 18 Jan 2011 at 2:52pm

@Metamorphosis didn't you see justin's post in the other thread? he can prove you are wrong:

Originally posted by justin.kerr HT in games is a good thing, yes most games show a good improvement, yes games use it, stopping spreading BS.. Just like games don't use more than 2 threads.. I have posted before, a game that will use 100% of the CPU using 12 threads at 4.0Ghz.. most new games will use 6 threads, that is the average new game.. also added L3 cache can add to performance in gaming also, depending on the engine used.

again there is no reason to get more fps when your minimum is already above 50 fps.

also he is gonna use the pc for other things then just gaming, HT will make a good difference in everything.

Edited by DST4ME - 18 Jan 2011 at 3:03pm

With all due respect I think you are wrong, justin has already showed us how it does make a difference with proof of his own, his thread is somewhere in teh forum.

both me and him are totally right, specially there is no reason to get a higher gpu when you wont' notice the fps difference.

now if it was because of power and heat that would be a different argument.

Edited by DST4ME - 18 Jan 2011 at 3:07pm

Just go here to see how the 2500k which has no hyperthreading compares to the 2600k with its hyperthreading. Also note the 2600k is 100mhz faster then the 2500k, but you can OC both to within the same range of 4.5-4.8Ghz easily with just auto overclocking tools that Asus provides.

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/39555-intel-sandy-bridge-core-i5-2500k-core-i7-2600k-processors-review-16.html

let me see that at different res, also add aa and you will see a difference, and lets look at more games.

on top of that, lets oc all 4 cores and lets aa and then lets see.

one review does not mean much, you have to take all the reviews with a grain of salt.

again he is playing wow and 470 will give him minimum of 50 fps, what use does he have with more fps? they won't be noticed at all.


what gpu setup was used for that review?

Edited by DST4ME - 18 Jan 2011 at 3:24pm

LOL again those are single core oc, and I said lower res and higher res, I can assure you that at lower res you will see a good difference, and proper 4 core oc, not turbo.

also all of those reviews show how much of a difference the HT does make in other things. people do use their computers for other things then just gaming, he may want the pc to play wow but I bet you whatever you like, he does more then wow with that pc.

I also don't see the minimum fps in these charts.

if you really take all of these reviews at face value then I think you need to understand these reviews better.

Edited by DST4ME - 18 Jan 2011 at 3:41pm

You act like apps and etc wont' change, today it may not look like its worth it, but next year or longer yes its well worth it cause the difference becomes more and more as demands grow for power.

I like to see how 2600k would lose out to 2500k in minimum fps if everything else is the same, if you see a review that shows you that, don't ever visit that site again cause its full of crap.

also all those reviews don't have real OC, show me a 4 core oc.

Edited by DST4ME - 18 Jan 2011 at 3:47pm

I will let justin come here and explain it to you, he is better it and has done plenty of testing himself, or if I could locate his post, I will show you the difference.


I'm not using a crystal ball, I'm looking back 4 years to now and making a judgment toward what he future will hold for apps/games, I don't claim its for sure or a fact, however you must have a crystal ball to know when and if ht will come to play more then it is now, my argument is that any pc is used for more then just gaming, and that is where you will see the difference.

also the difference is different from game to game, showing pretty much the same type/game over and over again does not prove anything, not all games are the same and and ht does make a bigger difference in lower res:










as for the rest, like I said I will justin explain it all to you since it was his tests and I can't find the thread myself yet.


Also lets continue this in the lounge/general section, and not in this user's thread, its not fair to him.

just open a thread and ask justin to explain the difference to you and tell me what you think once you here what he has to say and show.

Edited by DST4ME - 18 Jan 2011 at 9:34pm

Hey!!! Someone agrees with me  

my HT testing is similar to Hardware Canucks, just a lot more games tested. 5%-10% avg gain in games, some showed no improvement, some were close enough to be within the error of margin of testing,  with a max gain of around 40% for apps dialed in for HT.

Why'd you put up game benchmarks (the SC2, RE5, BC2 ones) showing the graphic unit built into the CPU and how it compares? I'm pretty sure hes getting a discrete card.. and the builtin GPU doesn't work with the P67 anyway. But yes.. you'd see a difference between the GPU built into the 2500k and 2600k there even moreso with the k vs non k version. Since the K version runs HD3000 while the non K version runs HD2000 I don't think hyperthreading is even tied into that part of the CPU at all though I could be wrong. Anyway you should look at what your throwing up more closely cause that'll just cause more confusion to anyone that doesn't know what those charts are actually showing which is what the built-in GPU on the CPU is capable of achieving.. its not related to the hyperthreading topic at all.

As far as apps and hyperthreading... the only thing I've seen getting 40% are benchmarks not realworld apps.  Though again not saying unworthwhile.. if you use apps for work that make use of hyperthreading totally worth it. If your a gamer just encoding a fraps video every now and then probably not.

In games it's literally unnoticeable because the only way to see any difference in the CPU is your running so low a res that the framerate is beyond what your monitor can refresh at let alone what your eye can see. What scares me though is the lower minimum framerates that is shown in some reviews on some games. I wish more review sites would should minimum framerate and also show timecharts so you can see how often they're dipping down that low.

from http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/sandy-bridge-core-i7-2600k-core-i5-2500k,2833-18.html


The F1 2010 game is also showing some odd anomaly.. its ok at lower resolutions but higher resolutions its tied and even higher again then its losing out to the 2500k not only in minimum framerate but average too.


THAT is scarey to me it shouldn't be doing that.. I'm not calling it definitive it needs alot more testing with actual charts showing the FPS over a period of time.

I'm no tech when it comes to this so I don't know why its occuring beyond that hyperthreading is related.. but alot of different sources are showing this same anomaly which means its more then just an odd benchmark its a flaw in SandyBridge though not a reason to avoid getting it.. just be wary of having hyperthreading on in some games or even only at certain settings. For other games its even a small benefit, but they seem to vastly outnumbered by the ones that show no difference which just means you could disable HT and with that extra heat you save from disabling HT you could spend on OC'ing the CPU abit more and see some difference.


Edited by Metamorphosis - 19 Jan 2011 at 1:38am

Why do you have to turn everything I say into like you said it first? lol

Your lack of grasp of what's important to the OP and even throwing up random benchmarks that aren't related to the OP or even to the topic being discussed is awe inspiring. ie the game benchmarks you threw up earlier that are showing the on-die GPU component of the CPU with no discrete card and how it compares to other previous onboard solutions not how its comparing with and without hyperthreading.

And for the 100th time.. I know hyperthreading is good for aps that make use of it look at my posts they ALL say it.. its just a matter of is it worth paying 50% more on a CPU for something that you use so little of. If its work related totally worth it.. gaming rig with random FRAPs encoding every other week highly highly doubtful. And if you really want to get your money's worth out of it wait for Z68 boards so you can make use of QuickSync which I won't even get into cause this thread is already so far off topic.

Now stop beating a dead horse. Your all mighty Justin even agrees 2500k is all the OP needs unless the OP chimes in with more info to state otherwise. I'd love to see Justin's results on hyperthreading in realworld aps that actually make use of it and how much of a benefit it is. Short of encoding I haven't seen anything even get close to 25% if you don't count benchmarking aps which have no realworld application outside of stability testing or exaggerating the most minute changes so that it can be scored more easily.


Edited by Metamorphosis - 19 Jan 2011 at 3:28am

sorry totally gonna turn this into a troll thread sorry OP. but seriously...

he did it again!!

Originally posted by dst4me Again you are jumping to conclusions, tho the op has asked for a system to play wow, I have not gotten a response back from him as to whether its just wow.

Originally posted by me one post earlier Your all mighty Justin even agrees 2500k is all the OP needs unless the OP chimes in with more info to state otherwise

Is that NOT what I just said?!

Originally posted by me just to show the hilarity of it from the same post Why do you have to turn everything I say into like you said it first? lol