Audio Recording Computer Setup?Post Date: 2008-10-18 |
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eventide
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Topic: Audio Recording Computer Setup? Posted: 18 Oct 2008 at 1:32am |
So I've had the pleasure of randomly stumbling across this great company by chance and haven't looked back yet. I was considering Alienware and some other build-to-order stuff from tigerdirect but neither really had all the options that I really wanted (or was too overpriced).
I'm looking for a high-performance system but not for gaming at all. Some may say I'm in the wrong place but hopefully most would say I'm where I need to be. My goal is to start my own studio but I despise using Macs (pretty much becoming the industry standard). I hope to use electronic drums to trigger digital samples via MIDI from a program such as BFD2 (great software, check it out). BFD2 can seriously tax your processor and RAM if you use enough real-time effects such as multiple compressors, filters, EQs, etc. Also I want to be able to record at the same time...so I will need some serious multi-tasking ability without any dropouts due to system lag. So I said all that to say this: I believe I will need a serious processor, quick RAM (hopefully DDR3), Windows XP (lower latency...I will fight off Vista to my dying breath), decent video card (no gaming or serious video editing or anything of that nature. just keep from sucking system RAM), no extra sound card is needed as I plan on using an external recording device via firewire that functions as the sound card with super-low latency, and plenty of storage for wav files Here is a system that I created (I LOVE the save feature offered...major Kudos) so please give some feedback...let me know what you think I've forgotten or added too much. I am hoping to keep it under $2K Specifications: Chassis: Cooler Master HAF 932 Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish Interior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish Power Supply: 750W Corsair HX (Dual SLI Compatible) (Silent Edition) Processor: Intel Core 2 Quad Q9450 2.66GHz (1333MHz FSB) (12MB Cache) Motherboard: nVidia 790i Ultra Core 2 Quad (nForce 790i Ultra SLI) (DDR3 Only) System Memory: 4GB DDR3 1333MHz Corsair Card Reader: - No Thanks Hard Drive 1: 500GB Western Digital (16MB Cache) (7200 RPM) (SATA) Hard Drive 2: - No Thanks Raid Option: - No Thanks Hard Drive 3: - No Thanks Optical Drive 1: DVD-ROM/CD-ROM (DVD Reader 16x / CD Reader 40x) Optical Drive 2: DVD±R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 20x / CD-Writer 48x) Wireless Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections) Video Card: NVIDIA GeForce 9600GT 512MB (Includes PhysX Technology) TV Tuner: - No Thanks Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio Extreme Cooling: Air Cooled Stage 2 (Silent Artic Cooling Heat-sink Upgrade (Copper Heatpipes) Internal Lighting: - No Thanks Modifications: - No Thanks Boost Processor: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my processor Boost Video Card: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my video card(s) Boost Memory: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my memory Tweak Windows: - No Thanks, Please do not tweak the services on the operating system Windows OS: Microsoft Windows XP Professional (Includes Service Pack 2) Restore Kit: Digital Storm Specialized Recovery System (DVD Image Based) Protection: - No Thanks Office: - No Thanks Benchmarking: - No Thanks Install/Test Game: - No Thanks LCD Display: - No Thanks Surge Shield: - No Thanks Speakers: - No Thanks Keyboard: - No Thanks Mouse: - No Thanks my keyboard comes with a mouse External Storage: - No Thanks Warranty: 3 Year Platinum Care Extended Parts & Labor Warranty Also, if I am sending an email to Digital Storm and hope to get one back, which address should I use? I sent one to sales and haven't heard anything back yet...been over 24 hours and judging by some of the other posts here most have got something back by then... Thanks in advance guys! Edited by eventide - 18 Oct 2008 at 1:34am |
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DST4ME
DS ELITE Joined: 14 Apr 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 36758 |
Quote Reply Posted: 18 Oct 2008 at 1:52am |
ticket number?
with xp you won't be using all of your ram, vista 64bit will make much better use of it, why don't you like vista? |
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workingman
Senior Member Joined: 05 Apr 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 411 |
Quote Reply Posted: 18 Oct 2008 at 10:24am |
i confess i hated vista ...at first..i got the upgrade version..and that was a big mistake..sp1 has improved vista.. i have 64 bit vista on my computer and im loving it...no problems ...maybe not as fast as xp..but not so slow that it hampers what im doing....i have even downloaded flash player and have had no problems....if you have xp and like it ..i say keep it...windows 7 or windows..or whatever they are going to call it... will be out soon enough...but vista 64 isnt bad..not at all..im happy
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DST4ME
DS ELITE Joined: 14 Apr 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 36758 |
Quote Reply Posted: 18 Oct 2008 at 10:26am |
pae limits the OS to 2GB of ram so in a way it actually end-up using less of your ram.
also thats 4GB of total ram, your system is showing 4.5GB of ram, so you will not be able to use all of your ram with XP 32bit or vista 32bit Edited by DST4ME - 18 Oct 2008 at 10:28am |
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DST4ME
DS ELITE Joined: 14 Apr 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 36758 |
Quote Reply Posted: 18 Oct 2008 at 10:43am |
the problem here is that you don't understand what pae does, so you don't understand what I'm saying, so if you would be so kind as to go inform yourself, you will understand what I'm talking about.
Its like I'm saying apples and you come by and offer info on oranges where did I say a 32bit os can't read more then 2GB? go inform yourself and stop telling the informed people to go inform themselves, you are the misinformed one, who needs to be reading MS's sites Edited by DST4ME - 18 Oct 2008 at 10:45am |
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RiceEatin2000GT
DS Veteran Joined: 02 Oct 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1699 |
Quote Reply Posted: 18 Oct 2008 at 10:51am |
hate to say it but macs are superior at this
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eventide
Newbie Joined: 18 Oct 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 6 |
Quote Reply Posted: 18 Oct 2008 at 7:09pm |
oh sorry about not posting the ticket number...here it is: 193864
I have briefly looked at the RAM limitations and I was under the impression that XP would use up to 4 GB...I definitely want to use 4GB if possible. I haven't used Vista much at all, so I am probably just biased against it to be honest with you all. But I have seen some info from Audio Recording forums where XP has shown lower audio latency than Vista, which is huge for me. DST4ME, so you are saying that the XP OS will only use 2GB of RAM? If so, how would using 2GB of DDR3 at 1600MHz compare to using 4GB of RAM at 1333MHz? From what I've learned about running BFD2, you pretty much want over 2GB of RAM, but the company states that for Maximum performance, 2GB or higher is needed...so 2GB may run the program well after all. However, to run that program and another recording program at the same time, I believe that I would need more RAM. In the end, I may use Vista...I'd just rather not. Thanks you guys for discussing this. I know that I'm not talking about gaming (though I do love games, this computer just isn't going to be designed for it), but Digital Storm makes some sweet high-performance computers...and that's what I'm going to need. |
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Costone
Groupie Joined: 28 Jun 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 489 |
Quote Reply Posted: 18 Oct 2008 at 10:51pm |
You definitely want to max your RAM for your MIDI/Audio recording and triggering. Do you intend to load the entire BFD library onto your HD as well? And are you also using a recording software program....such as Logic/Cakewalk/PT? More resources... I mainly use an 8-core Mac Pro for heavy audio production since most software apps are supported, but at times I also use a WinVista PC for some Sony based and Pro Tools based apps.
For reference, here's a glimpse of my current setup running Logic on a Mac Pro. My PC is still at DS getting upgrades:
Edited by Costone - 18 Oct 2008 at 10:59pm |
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widdlecat
DS Veteran Joined: 11 Mar 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 840 |
Quote Reply Posted: 18 Oct 2008 at 11:36pm |
Eventide, if I may offer a bit of advice. IMO, it would be wiser to go with Windows Vista 64 OS. Mainly, it will allow you the opportunity to upgrade to much more ram in the future. Judging by what you seem to want to do, you will very likely require 8GB ram to handle your needs. Still, that's something you will need to try out. After working in the audio industry, I know how data intensive digital audio can be. If you can get a faster processor, I would recommend that as well.
I believe that within your budget constraints that the only necessary change to your choices is to go with windows vista 64. All else can be upgraded later if necessary. |
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eventide
Newbie Joined: 18 Oct 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 6 |
Quote Reply Posted: 19 Oct 2008 at 12:01am |
Costone: I do plan on loading the entire 50-60GB library onto the hard drive...that's the plan for now, may change in the future. I also plan on using Sonar7 as my DAW. Ever use it? It's native-based so I can use some Waves plug-ins later on for mastering, etc. I've used some of cakewalk's programs in the past and currently run Adobe Audition...just looking for something new, and I don't think that I really want to try to tackle something like Cubase as of yet. Also...that's a sweet setup you have there, and a nice-looking rack in the corner.
Widdlecat: Thanks for the advice! Any reason for suggesting Vista 64 other than the RAM expandability? Also, what processor speed do you recommend? I just thought that 2.66GHz would be a good upgrade from the 1.66GHz that my laptop runs, but I really don't know what kind of speeds BFD2 and Sonar7 running at the same time would require. Here's a big question that I have going on in my head...1333GHz DDR3 RAM vs 1600GHz DDR3 RAM. Which one? Of course I always want the bigger/badder/newest/fastest...but is it cost efficient? Will it really make a difference? Any other suggestions would be much appreciated! |
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DST4ME
DS ELITE Joined: 14 Apr 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 36758 |
Quote Reply Posted: 19 Oct 2008 at 1:15am |
your processor is fine, and ram should be 1333MHz
I have gone up in ram speed one step and never noticed a difference |
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Costone
Groupie Joined: 28 Jun 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 489 |
Quote Reply Posted: 19 Oct 2008 at 1:39am |
I'm somewhat familiar with Sonar7 since most of the DAW interfaces are fairly similar in primary design and function. I also use the WAVES Diamond package and all of the BFD2 collection for filmscores and studio work. For triggering I use a Roland SPD-20 and V-drum kit for virtual drum instrument plugins as well as a few external MIDI rack modules, so I know where you're going in regard to spec'ing a latency-free performance setup. But note that future Sonar releases and upgrades will benefit greatly from Vista 64 and multi-core threading, so try to slowly transition up from XP to stay on the upgrade curve that lies ahead. If your current focus is purely on building and editing percussion tracks only (instead of full-blown ensemble production) then your config as listed should be fine as a baseline system to build upon. The high-quality WAVES plugins are surely a resource hog in addition to other performance processes going on simultaneously....but it also depends on how many instances you are applying multiple plugin effects to across multiple channels in each of your performances... If within budget, you may want to consider overclocking your processor since it is done under warranty anyway....nothing to lose except restoring back to factory settings. Otherwise I agree that its just fine. But definitely call DS and review your list of apps with them so they can proof your config build accordingly. And you can always send me an email to kick around some setup ideas. |
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widdlecat
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Quote Reply Posted: 19 Oct 2008 at 11:55am |
vista 64 os will allow for you to use more ram... that's reason enough when doing a lot of heavy processing such as you want to do. Along with that, the faster your cpu processes, the easier it will be to work with your music. With music, the easier the effort, the better the outcome.
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TomD
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Quote Reply Posted: 19 Oct 2008 at 1:32pm |
I just thought I would throw in that the system you are looking at will be LOUD for a recording studio. Liquid cooling would help a little.
I would plan for some kind of sound isolation if it is going to be in the same room where you do your mixdown and of course any microphone recording/sampling.
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eventide
Newbie Joined: 18 Oct 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 6 |
Quote Reply Posted: 19 Oct 2008 at 11:52pm |
Thanks guys for all the great comments and advice...I'm certainly
taking it all into consideration. I updated my configuration a bit per
all of your advice, so if you don't mind taking a look at this setup
and letting me know if it looks better or is wasted money, I would be
most grateful! Ticket Number: 196651
Costone: I will definitely be emailing you considering your experience with BFD's products...I've used the demo of BFD2 and it's a dream to work with (though my poor laptop can't handle much effect processing with the integrated mixer). I am hoping to use Alesis' Trigger iO with their simple electric drums to start out with...it sends midi via USB. I will definitely have to run all this setup over with a salesman at Digital Storm though. I figured this computer would be pretty loud, and I am definitely going to take that into consideration. I will have to find some way to isolate it yet keep it cooled. DST4ME: Thanks for the advice regarding the RAM speeds. Much appreciated. |
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DST4ME
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Quote Reply Posted: 19 Oct 2008 at 11:57pm |
do you need 8GB of ram?
why vista ultimate? stage 2 haf is not loud, you will be fine, you are not ocing either so your system should be cool and quiet with stage 2. you are very welcome |
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eventide
Newbie Joined: 18 Oct 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 6 |
Quote Reply Posted: 20 Oct 2008 at 7:07pm |
DST4ME: Thanks for that...I didn't notice that Vista Premium was also 64bit...that brought my total under $2500. Nice. I was looking at what Digital Storm claimed in their cooling info and as you already said, the stage 2 isn't rated as that noisy...doubt that I'd pile in that much more money for the liquid cooling.
I'm still on the fence about how much RAM I will need. Costone, any advice on this matter? I plan on recording a full band (drums, guitars, bass, multiple vocal layers, and possible keys/synth) and probably multiple instruments at once...possibly the drums through BFD at the same time...so given that, would I need 8GB of RAM, or would it just be overkill? (BTW I looked at Sonar and noticed that version 8 is out...) |
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Costone
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Quote Reply Posted: 20 Oct 2008 at 7:31pm |
4GB RAM should be sufficient considering your price range and current apps....but processor threading is just as important though. So hold the line on the best one that you can afford within budget.
Besides you can always upgrade RAM if you find yourself hitting the wall and getting into really massive multi-tasking and simultaneous app processing. I manage fine with 4GB (so far...lol) considering the dense number of multi-track audio files per typical song file. All depends on how you work...
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Chris W.
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Quote Reply Posted: 20 Oct 2008 at 8:35pm |
Damn Costone, that is an awesome studio post or email me more pics I want to ogle.
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eventide
Newbie Joined: 18 Oct 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 6 |
Quote Reply Posted: 21 Oct 2008 at 1:29am |
Thanks again for your input Costone!
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DST4ME
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Quote Reply Posted: 21 Oct 2008 at 1:37am |
ram speed is fine, but my concern is your 8GB of ram, thats alot of money to spend on something, you wont' use, unless you will use it.
but if you have been fine with 4GB till now, then you won't notice 8GB and won't be using it. |
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