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    Posted: 13 May 2015 at 7:03am
Budget:
$3000 including peripherals

Expectations:
High fps on single monitor 1080p
Usage:
Gaming,light streaming,modding,surfing web. Types of games played: Company of Heroes 2,Total War,Mount & Blade,Crusader Kings 2,GTA V.

Special Needs:
Router not close to where computer will be so I need a wireless connection. Will the wireless PCI-E Asus PCE-N53 be a sound choice or should I choose a mobo with WiFi connectivity? Will the OS be installed on the hard drive or can it be installed on the SSD? Any thoughts or feedback on my setup would be greatly appreciated.

Saved Ticket #: 1207377
Total cost:$2956

Specifications:

Chassis Model: Special Deal Hot Seller - Corsair Obsidian 550D
Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish
Trim Accents: - Standard Factory Finish
Processor: Intel Core i7 4790K 4.0 GHz (Codename Devils Canyon) (Unlocked CPU) (Quad Core)
Motherboard: GIGABYTE G1.Sniper Z97 (Intel Z97 Chipset) (Onboard Creative Sound)
System Memory: 16GB DDR3 1600MHz Digital Storm Certified Performance Series (Highly Recommended) (Hand Tested)
Power Supply: 850W EVGA SuperNOVA
Expansion Bay: - No Thanks
Optical Drive: DVD-R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 24x / CD-Writer 48x)
Storage Set 1: 1x SSD (256GB Samsung 850 PRO)
Storage Set 2: 1x Storage (1TB Western Digital - Black Edition)
Storage Set 3: - No Thanks
RAID Config: - No Thanks
RAID Card: - No Thanks
Internet Access: Wireless PCI-E ASUS PCE-N53 (Dual Band Performance) (Supports 802.11n/g/b)
Graphics Card(s): 1x NVIDIA GeForce GTX 980 4GB (Includes PhysX)
Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio
HPC Processor: - No Thanks
Extreme Cooling: H20: Stage 2: Digital Storm Vortex 120mm Radiator Liquid CPU Cooler (High-Performance Edition)
H20 Tube Color:- Not Applicable, I do not have a custom HydroLux liquid cooling system selected
Chassis Fans: Standard Factory Chassis Fans
Internal Lighting: - No Thanks
Airflow Control: - No Thanks
Chassis Mods: - No Thanks
Noise Reduction: Noise Suppression Package Stage 1 (Optimized Airflow & Fan Speeds Only)
LaserMark: - No Thanks
Boost Processor: Stage 1: Overclock CPU 4.0GHz to 4.4GHz
Boost Graphics Card(s): - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my video card(s)
Boost Memory: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my memory
Boost OS: - No Thanks, Please do not tweak the services on the operating system
Windows OS: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (64-Bit Edition)
Recovery Tools: Windows Recovery Toolkit (Bundled with Windows CD)
Virus Protection: FREE: McAfee AntiVirus Plus (1 Year Service Activation Card) (Not Pre-installed) ($35 Value)
Office: - No Thanks
Game: - No Thanks
Display: Asus 24 inch 248 Series (Widescreen) (Black) (2ms Response Time) (LED Backlight)
Surge Shield: APC SurgeArrest Personal PER7 (7 Outlet) 120V Surge Protector
Speakers: Logitech Z313 2.1 System (Includes Subwoofer)
Keyboard: CM Storm Devastator Bundle (Gaming Keyboard & Gaming Mouse)
Mouse: - No Thanks
Portable Gaming: - No Thanks
Branded Gear: - No Thanks
Priority Build: - No Thanks, Ship Within 10-15 Business Days After Order Is Successfully Processed
Warranty: Life-time Expert Care with 3 Year Limited Warranty (3 Year Labor & 1 Year Part Replacement)
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Hi kingofthewargs,

That is a great build for you application. I wouldn't change anything except maybe the PCE N53. I would get a 802.11 AC PCI WiFi card. Sooner or later you will want to get a 802.11 AC router. The AC router is much faster than the 802.22 n or g router. The 802.11 AC card is backward compatible to the n,g router.

If your existing router is some distance from your computer or is going through a few walls. I would get a PCI card that has an external antenna. That will help to aim your signal at the router. My choice is ASUS AC1900 Dual-Band PCIe Wireless Adapter. You can mount the antennas on the back of the computer or use a provided cable and mount it in a better place.

Frank



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The OS will be installed on the SSD
"Captain Sirius Black"
Storm Trooper
i5 3570k

Ordered: 11-27-12
Stage 1: 11-29-12
Stage 2: 12-2-12
Stage 3: 12-2-12
Stage 4: 12-4-12
Stage 5: 12-4-12
Stage 6: 12-10-12
Stage 7: 12-12-12
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Posts: 15 		  Quote kingofthewargs Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 13 May 2015 at 8:29am
Hi FrankW,

Thanks for the input. I'm a bit of a noob with things such as this but I am trying to keep my build open to the future. My question is would the items you listed be available from DS as a special order or would I have to acquire them my self and install them. Also, if I have to order the items myself how involved would it be to install them? Again sorry for the noob questions.


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Hi ArkansasWoman777,

Thank you for clarifying that,much appreciated.


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Hi kingofthewargs,

You can special order from DS but I think it might be cheaper to order yourself. Talk to DS and see what they say. Newegg.com has what you want.

As to installing a PCI card. The card has contacts on the board that plugs into the motherboard. You just remove one screw and metal blank. Plug in your card and put the screw back in. A very simple procedure to install. You may have some software to deal with but if you have already connected to your router with something you should be able to figure it out.

I know that even a simple procedure can be scary to someone with no experience. If you are more comfortable with DS doing it then that works too. If the WiFi card/antenna I suggested is too expensive then the ASUS PCE-AC56 802.11ac Dual-band Wireless-AC1300 PCI-E Adapter will work. The antenna setup is not as flexible.

One thing you should do is check out your router and see what unit you have. It will be a 802.11 n,g or b. The n is the newest and faster than the g or b. If you have a g or b it is time to upgrade to a 802.11ac router. If not, your speed between the computer and the router could be low.

I don't want to push you into buying something you don't need or can't afford. If you have an n router you can get a n WiFi card from DS that they have in stock. I am just making suggestions to get the highest performance you can between your computer and the router.

Also, if you have a 802.11ac WiFi card and a 802.11n router the WiFi card will work with your router but it won't be at the ac speeds. It will be at the n speed.

Frank

ASUS PCE-AC56 802.11ac Dual-band Wireless-AC1300 PCI-E Adapter:
     


Edited by FrankW - 13 May 2015 at 10:10am
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That is a excellent build and , like Frank, I wouldn't change anything.    Great picks.

The only thing about special orders from DS, is that they will not warranty the part.  You'll have the manufacturers warranty but not directly from DS.  Just the special order part, not the rig.

Unless you plan on adding another 980 in sli, the EVGA 750 watt psu would be all you need.  It's a $26 savings, so not a big price difference.  

Good luck. Big%20Smile




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Hi FrankW

Thanks again for taking time to reply. This is the first time I can have my own dedicated computer rather than sharing a destop so I'm just trying to make sure everything is correct.My router is a fios g110 which says it supports ac/g/n/b so I guess it is 802.11ac but I'm not entirely sure. The router is about 30 feet from where the computer will go with no walls in the way.


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Hi bpratt22,

Thanks for looking over my configuration,and for the warranty information with special orders. I chose the EVGA 850 watt because I do plan to sli in the future just couldn't afford to do it at this time.

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Got it. Strong

Technically, even sli 980 only needs a 750 watt psu, but for 26 bucks, I would get the 850w.  The new 970/980's are much better than previous cards on their energy needs.  

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Hi kingofthewargs,

OK, with an 802.11ac router you definitely want to get a 802.11ac PCI card. You will see a big increase in the speed between your computer and router over a 802.11n card.

Frank
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bpratt22

Yeah for 26 bucks I figured why not? Plus it leaves a little wiggle room.

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Yeah I'll just get one myself and install it,seems minimally involved.

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So after thinking on it I'm leaning towards dropping a PCI card and changing my mobo to the Asus Z97 Pro with 802.11ac connectivity. Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.
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Hi kingofthewargs,

I looked at all of the reviews of the Asus Z97 Pro WiFi ac motherboard that I could find. None of them tested the bps speed. One user comment stated he wouldn't have bought the Pro WiFi motherboard if he had known that the board operates at 800bps (ac). He stated that a PCI card would be 1300bps. I don't know if that is true or not. It is true that the 802.11ac PCI cards claim 1300bps but no one ever gets the top speed do to their setup.

I also looked at the comments at Newegg and Amazon and there were several complaints about the Asus Pro WiFi not working very well. Of course there were a lot more comments about how well it worked.

So, my guess is the Asus Pro WiFi motherboard is a choice you can make. However, it is possible your speed will be less than what a PCI card might give you. Since you are only thirty feet away with no obstructions, then maybe it will be OK for you. I can't say one way or the other. I can say in most cases a PCI card built for a specific function usually works better than a motherboard add on. For instances, a sound card works better than on board sound. On board sound is good but not as good as a sound card. This may also apply to WiFi.

Frank     

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So after a few days researching I've decided to move the router to where the computer will be. I also have come up with another build I like better,but would like to hear some feedback.



Configuration Code: 1210644
Total Price with Instant Savings: $2,495.00

Direct Load URL: https://www.digitalstormonline.com/configurator.asp?id=1210644

Specifications:
Chassis Model: Special Deal Hot Seller - Corsair Carbide Series Air 540
Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish
Trim Accents: - Standard Factory Finish
Processor: Intel Core i7 4790K 4.0 GHz (Codename Devils Canyon) (Unlocked CPU) (Quad Core)
Motherboard: ASUS SABERTOOTH Z97 MARK2 USB 3.1 (Intel Z97 Chipset) (Military-Grade TUF Components)
System Memory: 16GB DDR3 1600MHz Digital Storm Certified Performance Series (Highly Recommended) (Hand Tested)
Power Supply: 850W EVGA SuperNOVA
Expansion Bay: - No Thanks
Optical Drive: DVD-R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 24x / CD-Writer 48x)
Storage Set 1: 1x SSD (250GB Samsung 850 EVO)
Storage Set 2: 1x Storage (1TB Western Digital - Black Edition)
Storage Set 3: - No Thanks
RAID Config: - No Thanks
RAID Card: - No Thanks
Internet Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections)
Graphics Card(s): 1x NVIDIA GeForce GTX 980 4GB (Includes PhysX) <br><strong></strong>
Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio
HPC Processor: - No Thanks
Extreme Cooling: H20: Stage 2: Digital Storm Vortex 120mm Radiator Liquid CPU Cooler (High-Performance Edition)
H20 Tube Color:- Not Applicable, I do not have a custom HydroLux liquid cooling system selected
Chassis Fans: Standard Factory Chassis Fans
Internal Lighting: - No Thanks
Airflow Control: - No Thanks
Chassis Mods: - No Thanks
Noise Reduction: - No Thanks
LaserMark: - No Thanks
Boost Processor: Stage 1: Overclock CPU 4.0GHz to 4.4GHz
Boost Graphics Card(s): - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my video card(s)
Boost Memory: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my memory
Boost OS: - No Thanks, Please do not tweak the services on the operating system
Windows OS: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (64-Bit Edition)
Recovery Tools: Windows Recovery Toolkit (Bundled with Windows CD)
Virus Protection: FREE: McAfee AntiVirus Plus (1 Year Service Activation Card) (Not Pre-installed) ($35 Value)
Office: - No Thanks
Game: - No Thanks
Display: - No Thanks
Surge Shield: - No Thanks
Speakers: - No Thanks
Keyboard: - No Thanks
Mouse: - No Thanks
Portable Gaming: - No Thanks
Branded Gear: - No Thanks
Priority Build: - No Thanks, Ship Within 10-15 Business Days After Order Is Successfully Processed
Warranty: Life-time Expert Care with 3 Year Limited Warranty (3 Year Labor & 1 Year Part Replacement)

Monitor:BenQ XL 2411z

I just have a question regarding cooling,is the liquid the way to go or would air cooled with a Noctua NH D14 SE2011 work just as well?

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Very nice build.Strong

Either the sealed units or the Noctua air cooled will perform about the same.  The advantage of the sealed is that is smaller and gives easier access to the inboard ram sticks and better view of the mobo.   The Noctua will probably be quieter and more reliable.  Noctua just works for years with no pump , etc to go bad.  Nothing to go wrong with a big block of cooling fins.    Noctua will also increase airflow across the mobo as the center fan extends below the fins a little bit.   Others will argue it restricts airflow, being so large, but that just isn't true.

Either work.   Big%20Smile




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Thanks for the info. I went ahead and placed my order yay. Went for the Noctua and Asus Strix 980. Configuration:1210682
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Boom!
I7 13700KF 5.4hz
ASUS Prime z790 MoBo
ASUS Dual 4070
32g ram@5200
850 Gold PSU
1TB SSD 2TB SSD
27" ASUS Monitor 144hz
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ASUS Prime z790 MoBo
ASUS Dual 4070
32g ram@5200
850 Gold PSU
1TB SSD 2TB SSD
27" ASUS Monitor 144hz
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