Need Help w/ Gaming ComputerPost Date: 2010-01-21 |
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Chocolate
Newbie Joined: 21 Jan 2010 Online Status: Offline Posts: 3 |
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Topic: Need Help w/ Gaming Computer Posted: 21 Jan 2010 at 6:54pm |
First off I decided to go with DS due to the reviews from your customers. My plan was originally buying from cyberpower but reading how they lack in some areas and parts not working from the start you can add one more customer to your list! :D BIG TIME GAMER with LITTLE COMPUTER TECH knowledge :(
Just would like a killer computer to destroy games. My budget is around 2.3k give or take. Any help would be appreciated.
I was looking into this. Ticket: 376119
Chassis Model: Cooler Master HAF 932 (Black OPS Edition)
Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish Trim Accents: - Standard Factory Finish Processor: Intel Core i7 920 2.66GHz (Quad Core) Motherboard: EVGA X58 Micro Edition SLI (Intel X58 Chipset) (Supports SLI or CrossFire) System Memory: 6GB DDR3 1600MHz Digital Storm Certified Performance Series (Highly Recommended) (Hand Tested) Power Supply: 750W Digital Storm Certified (Dual SLI Compatible) (Silent Edition Recommended) Expansion Bay: - No Thanks Hard Drive Set 1: Operating System: 1x (500GB Western Digital (16MB Cache) (7200 RPM) (SATA) Set 1 Raid Options: - No Thanks Hard Drive Set 2: Multimedia\Data: - No Thanks Hard Drive Set 3: Backup\Misc.: - No Thanks Optical Drive 1: DVD±R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 22x / CD-Writer 48x) Optical Drive 2: - No Thanks Internet Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections) Video Card: 1x NVIDIA GeForce GTX 285 1GB (Includes PhysX Technology) Add-on Card: Pinnacle PCTV HD Card (HDTV, Video Recording, Video Capture, FM Audio) Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio Extreme Cooling: AIR: Stage 1: Cooler Master V8 High Performance Cooler (Compatible With ONLY i7 Processors) H20 Tube Color:- Not Applicable, I do not have a FrostChill or Sub-Zero LCS Cooling System Selected Chassis Airflow: Standard Factory Chassis Fans Internal Lighting: Internal Chassis Lighting System (Blue) Enhancements: - No Thanks Chassis Mods: - No Thanks Noise Reduction: - No Thanks Boost Processor: FREE: Stage 1: Overclock the processor between 3.3GHz to 3.9GHz (Requires Air Cooling Upgrade) Boost Video Card: FREE: Yes, Overclock the video card(s) as much as possible with complete stability Boost Memory: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my memory Boost OS: - No Thanks, Please do not tweak the services on the operating system Windows OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium (64-Bit Edition) Restore Kit: Digital Storm Specialized Recovery System (DVD Image Based) Virus Protection: - No Thanks Office: - No Thanks Benchmarking: - No Thanks Install/Test Game: - No Thanks Display: - No Thanks Surge Shield: - No Thanks Speakers: - No Thanks Keyboard: - No Thanks Mouse: - No Thanks External Storage: - No Thanks Exclusive T-Shirt: - No Thanks Priority Build: - No Thanks, Ship Within 5-10 Business Days After Order Is Successfully Processed Warranty: 3 Year Platinum Care Extended Parts & Labor Warranty Thanks again and I'll await for replies!
Also the resolution will be 1920 x 1080 Edited by Chocolate - 21 Jan 2010 at 7:01pm |
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Herniter
Groupie Joined: 18 Oct 2009 Online Status: Offline Posts: 133 |
Quote Reply Posted: 21 Jan 2010 at 7:25pm |
Just about everything looks great to me for your budget.
The only thing I would really change is the video card, for 10$ less the 5850 out preforms the 285 in nearly every benchmark, is DX11 ready, and has eye infinity. 2x 5770s will offer even greater performance(about the same as a 5870) for 3$ less than the 285 but leaves you little room to upgrade. I've always owned NVIDIA video cards but at the moment they aren't the way to go. You may also consider making the jump to a slightly large MB like the EVGA LE, gives you a bit of head room with more RAM and PCI slots. Edited by Herniter - 21 Jan 2010 at 7:29pm |
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Chocolate
Newbie Joined: 21 Jan 2010 Online Status: Offline Posts: 3 |
Quote Reply Posted: 21 Jan 2010 at 8:21pm |
Thank you for the advice. Quick question out of the 5850 or the 2x 5770s which would you go for?
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Herniter
Groupie Joined: 18 Oct 2009 Online Status: Offline Posts: 133 |
Quote Reply Posted: 21 Jan 2010 at 8:39pm |
I'd personally go with the two 5770s, they should last you for a long time if you stick with 1920x1080 resolution.
Might wait for some feedback from others though. |
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xXPCGamerZXx
Newbie Joined: 27 Nov 2009 Online Status: Offline Posts: 70 |
Quote Reply Posted: 21 Jan 2010 at 8:47pm |
With your resolution of 1920x1080........the card that will give you smooth frames and playability is a Ati Radeon 5870, it's DirectX11 and is on par with a GTX 295, in some cases it beats it.
You can wait for FERMI cards but they will be pricey. |
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justin.kerr
DS Veteran Joined: 06 May 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 5084 |
Quote Reply Posted: 21 Jan 2010 at 8:56pm |
Fermi will not be priced higher than its performance. If the GTX 380 is close to the performance of the 5970, then it will be priced according. |
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Herniter
Groupie Joined: 18 Oct 2009 Online Status: Offline Posts: 133 |
Quote Reply Posted: 21 Jan 2010 at 9:37pm |
The 5870 was out of his selected budget, two 5770s can tie or beat a single 5870 in the majority of benchmarks. http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/gaming-graphics-cards-charts-2009-high-quality-update-3/3DMark06-v1.1.0-HDR-SM3.0-Score,1696.html http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/gaming-graphics-cards-charts-2009-high-quality-update-3/F.E.A.R.-2,1682.html http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3658&p=6 http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3658&p=7 http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3658&p=5 As for FERMI I don't think I've seen NVIDIA ever outrageously price their GPUs over what their performance warrants. Nothing like Intel and their top end processors or AMD with the Athlon 64 FX chips. |
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justin.kerr
DS Veteran Joined: 06 May 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 5084 |
Quote Reply Posted: 21 Jan 2010 at 9:55pm |
launch of GTX 280 for $600+ was outrageous lol
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Chocolate
Newbie Joined: 21 Jan 2010 Online Status: Offline Posts: 3 |
Quote Reply Posted: 21 Jan 2010 at 10:40pm |
Updated.
Ticket Number: 376219
Specifications:
Chassis Model: Cooler Master HAF 932 (Black OPS Edition) Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish Trim Accents: - Standard Factory Finish Processor: Intel Core i7 920 2.66GHz (Quad Core) Motherboard: EVGA X58 LE Edition SLI (Intel X58 Chipset) (Supports SLI or CrossFire) System Memory: 6GB DDR3 1600MHz Digital Storm Certified Performance Series (Highly Recommended) (Hand Tested) Power Supply: 750W Digital Storm Certified (Dual SLI Compatible) (Silent Edition Recommended) Expansion Bay: - No Thanks Hard Drive Set 1: Operating System: 1x (1TB Seagate/Hitachi/Western Digital (7200 RPM) (32MB Cache) (SATA) (Extreme Speed) Set 1 Raid Options: - No Thanks Hard Drive Set 2: Multimedia\Data: - No Thanks Hard Drive Set 3: Backup\Misc.: - No Thanks Optical Drive 1: DVD±R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 22x / CD-Writer 48x) Optical Drive 2: - No Thanks Internet Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections) Video Card: 2x CrossFire Dual (ATI Radeon HD 5770 1GB) Add-on Card: - No Thanks Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio Extreme Cooling: AIR: Stage 1: Noctua Dual 120mm Fans High Performance Cooler (Compatible With ONLY i7 Processors) H20 Tube Color:- Not Applicable, I do not have a FrostChill or Sub-Zero LCS Cooling System Selected Chassis Airflow: Standard Factory Chassis Fans Internal Lighting: Internal Chassis Lighting System (Green) Enhancements: - No Thanks Chassis Mods: - No Thanks Noise Reduction: - No Thanks Boost Processor: FREE: Stage 1: Overclock the processor between 3.3GHz to 3.9GHz (Requires Air Cooling Upgrade) Boost Video Card: FREE: Yes, Overclock the video card(s) as much as possible with complete stability Boost Memory: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my memory Boost OS: - No Thanks, Please do not tweak the services on the operating system Windows OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Professional (64-Bit Edition) Restore Kit: Digital Storm Specialized Recovery System (DVD Image Based) Virus Protection: - No Thanks Office: - No Thanks Benchmarking: - No Thanks Install/Test Game: FREE: Please include a free copy of a hot-selling game Display: - No Thanks Surge Shield: - No Thanks Speakers: - No Thanks Keyboard: - No Thanks Mouse: - No Thanks External Storage: - No Thanks Exclusive T-Shirt: FREE: Digital Storm T-Shirt - Black (Large) Priority Build: - No Thanks, Ship Within 5-10 Business Days After Order Is Successfully Processed Warranty: 3 Year Platinum Care Extended Parts & Labor Warranty |
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Kinesis
Newbie Joined: 03 Dec 2009 Online Status: Offline Posts: 97 |
Quote Reply Posted: 22 Jan 2010 at 12:50am |
Why not a 5850 ?
Kyle Bennet of [H]ardcop called it the best (current)value among video cards http://www.hardocp.com/article/2010/01/05/amds_ati_radeon_eyefinity_performance_review/10 |
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klam55
Newbie Joined: 21 Jan 2010 Online Status: Offline Posts: 8 |
Quote Reply Posted: 22 Jan 2010 at 1:15am |
Talking to my professor and reading reviews and test results i would go with 1 5850. Instead of cross firing 5770. You can always add another card in the future.
Kevin |
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DST4ME
DS ELITE Joined: 14 Apr 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 36758 |
Quote Reply Posted: 22 Jan 2010 at 2:09am |
watchout who you listen to around here, 1 x 5850 gives you the same performance as 2 x 5770, and if you oc the 5850 then you will surpass the performance of 2 x 5770.
however what you really want is a 5870 if its in your budget and guess what it is, this system is setup to handle 1900 x 1200 res and if you get a bigger monitor down the road all you have to do is drop another 5870 in the system, for this reason I gave you a 1000w psu, if you think that you will never need a second gpu then take the psu down the the 750w corsair and that will bring the price down the $2180. but for now here it is with the 1000w corsair, and remember for psu here, you want the corsair, be it 750w or 1000w: Here you go Ticket# 376276 --- Price: $2346 (To see this build click here) Price after current promotion $2346 Copy of Specifications: Chassis Model: Special Deal Hot Seller - Cooler Master HAF 932 Exterior Finish: - Not Available Trim Accents: - Not Available Processor: Intel Core i7 920 2.66GHz (Quad Core) Motherboard: EVGA X58 LE Edition SLI (Intel X58 Chipset) (Supports SLI or CrossFire) System Memory: 6GB DDR3 1600MHz Digital Storm Certified Performance Series (Highly Recommended) (Hand Tested) Power Supply: 1000W Corsair (Dual/Triple/Quad SLI Compatible) Expansion Bay: - Not Available Hard Drive Set 1: Operating System: 1x (1TB Seagate/Hitachi/Western Digital (7200 RPM) (32MB Cache) (SATA) (Extreme Speed) Set 1 Raid Options: - Not Available Hard Drive Set 2: Multimedia\Data: - No Thanks Hard Drive Set 3: Backup\Misc.: - No Thanks Optical Drive 1: DVD±R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 22x / CD-Writer 48x) Optical Drive 2: - No Thanks Internet Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections) Video Card: 1x ATI Radeon HD 5870 1GB Add-on Card: - No Thanks Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio Extreme Cooling: AIR: Stage 1: Noctua Dual 120mm Fans High Performance Cooler (Compatible With ONLY i7 Processors) H20 Tube Color:- Not Available Chassis Airflow: Standard Factory Chassis Fans Internal Lighting: Internal Chassis Lighting System (Red) Enhancements: - Not Available Chassis Mods: - Not Available Noise Reduction: - Not Available Boost Processor: FREE: Stage 1: Overclock the processor between 3.3GHz to 3.9GHz (Requires Air Cooling Upgrade) Boost Video Card: - Not Available Boost Memory: - Not Available Boost OS: - Not Available Windows OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Professional (64-Bit Edition) Restore Kit: Digital Storm Specialized Recovery System (DVD Image Based) Virus Protection: - Not Available Office: - Not Available Benchmarking: - Not Available Install/Test Game: - Not Available Display: - No Thanks Surge Shield: - No Thanks Speakers: - No Thanks Keyboard: - No Thanks Mouse: - No Thanks External Storage: - No Thanks Exclusive T-Shirt: - No Thanks Priority Build: - No Thanks, Ship Within 5-10 Business Days After Order Is Successfully Processed Warranty: 3 Year Platinum Care Extended Parts & Labor Warranty and remember you can also just change teh 5870 to 5850 and oc it and get the same performance. just for the heck of it here is the system above with 750w psu and a 5850 oced: Here you go Ticket# 376277 --- Price: $2063 (To see this build click here) Price after current promotion $2063 Copy of Specifications: Chassis Model: Special Deal Hot Seller - Cooler Master HAF 932 Exterior Finish: - Not Available Trim Accents: - Not Available Processor: Intel Core i7 920 2.66GHz (Quad Core) Motherboard: EVGA X58 LE Edition SLI (Intel X58 Chipset) (Supports SLI or CrossFire) System Memory: 6GB DDR3 1600MHz Digital Storm Certified Performance Series (Highly Recommended) (Hand Tested) Power Supply: 750W Corsair TX (Dual SLI Compatible) Expansion Bay: - Not Available Hard Drive Set 1: Operating System: 1x (1TB Seagate/Hitachi/Western Digital (7200 RPM) (32MB Cache) (SATA) (Extreme Speed) Set 1 Raid Options: - Not Available Hard Drive Set 2: Multimedia\Data: - No Thanks Hard Drive Set 3: Backup\Misc.: - No Thanks Optical Drive 1: DVD±R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 22x / CD-Writer 48x) Optical Drive 2: - No Thanks Internet Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections) Video Card: 1x ATI Radeon HD 5850 1GB Add-on Card: - No Thanks Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio Extreme Cooling: AIR: Stage 1: Noctua Dual 120mm Fans High Performance Cooler (Compatible With ONLY i7 Processors) H20 Tube Color:- Not Available Chassis Airflow: Standard Factory Chassis Fans Internal Lighting: Internal Chassis Lighting System (Red) Enhancements: - Not Available Chassis Mods: - Not Available Noise Reduction: - Not Available Boost Processor: FREE: Stage 1: Overclock the processor between 3.3GHz to 3.9GHz (Requires Air Cooling Upgrade) Boost Video Card: FREE: Yes, Overclock the video card(s) as much as possible with complete stability Boost Memory: - Not Available Boost OS: - Not Available Windows OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Professional (64-Bit Edition) Restore Kit: Digital Storm Specialized Recovery System (DVD Image Based) Virus Protection: - Not Available Office: - Not Available Benchmarking: - Not Available Install/Test Game: - Not Available Display: - No Thanks Surge Shield: - No Thanks Speakers: - No Thanks Keyboard: - No Thanks Mouse: - No Thanks External Storage: - No Thanks Exclusive T-Shirt: - No Thanks Priority Build: - No Thanks, Ship Within 5-10 Business Days After Order Is Successfully Processed Warranty: 3 Year Platinum Care Extended Parts & Labor Warranty the first system has enough power to do tri cf 5870/5850. the second build has enough power to do dual cf 5850. Edited by DST4ME - 22 Jan 2010 at 10:12am |
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justin.kerr
DS Veteran Joined: 06 May 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 5084 |
Quote Reply Posted: 22 Jan 2010 at 10:01am |
I really wish that Digital Storm would have some "stickies" in the config forum on a few subjects.
SLI/Crossfire is one of the biggest misunderstandings in the gaming community. RAID is about the next, with cooling systems shortly after.
When it comes to graphics cards, you are always better off getting a single card. Always. For example take two 5770's, if they match the AVG. frames per second of a 5870, then they look like a good deal on paper, but put the two systems side by side, and the difference will be large... The difference between MIN frame and maximum frames per second will be doubled.. which is why we why the dreaded micro stutter. Image quality issues, noise, energy consumption, heat, failure rates all rise dramatically with 2 cards, and go up as you increase even more cards.
So if you look at the frames per second in a game, the most important factor is the Minimum frames per second, and you will find the one card compared to two cards is not that much, in most games.
Also the chances of overclocking will reduced with two cards, one will always overclock better than 2, or 3 or 4. lol
the 5850 is a great card, and for people that overclock, it really shines, but for those who don't, or don't care to try down the road, get the 5870.
If you have done your research, and understand the issues with multi-GPU systems, and can live with the down sides, then go for it, but at least then you know what you are getting into.
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Uruvsuurt
Groupie Joined: 02 Sep 2009 Online Status: Offline Posts: 135 |
Quote Reply Posted: 22 Jan 2010 at 12:40pm |
Instead of making another "look at my config and help" post, I'll just tag along on this one as it is 99% what I am looking for. I have a question though about GPUs and resolution using the 5870 config DST created.
The monitor I use now is an LG 226WT (or close ) and its great for what I use the PC for. I believe the resolution in use is 1680x1050. I don't run two monitors, and I do not have any plans to move to a 24" monitor at this time. I like the 22" I have, and may just get a better 22" later on if anything. Is the 5870 still the best card to get or is it overkill at that resolution? I don't play crysis, but I do like to play games at max settings. Currently I mainly play WoW and Dragon Age: Origins, but I am looking at the expansion for DA and really don't want to be limited when I choose a game. I figure as my gaming needs increase, I could always upgrade later on. I am mainly a single card user, and while I like having the option of CF or SLi, I don't think I'll use it for a while. I guess I am asking if the 5850 or another card is a better option at my resolution use, and would save me money initially. I use a 8800gt right now in a old 6600 conroe 2.4 ghz system, and most stuff works ok. DA taxes the PC alot but I have very few stutters. This set up listed here may be overkill for what I do now, but overkill will allow me to swap out cards, ram, etc over the years and have the cpu, psu, etc be able to handle it. |
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justin.kerr
DS Veteran Joined: 06 May 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 5084 |
Quote Reply Posted: 22 Jan 2010 at 1:03pm |
for future games get the 5870 if it is in the budget, if it puts the price a bit too high go with the 5850.
the performance difference is small, but there is a difference.
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Uruvsuurt
Groupie Joined: 02 Sep 2009 Online Status: Offline Posts: 135 |
Quote Reply Posted: 22 Jan 2010 at 1:54pm |
Alrighty. Thanks |
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DST4ME
DS ELITE Joined: 14 Apr 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 36758 |
Quote Reply Posted: 22 Jan 2010 at 2:08pm |
for 1600 x 1200 res I would say go with 5850
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Kyu
Groupie Joined: 29 Nov 2009 Online Status: Offline Posts: 421 |
Quote Reply Posted: 22 Jan 2010 at 7:05pm |
I didn't think so when I bought mine for almost 700 shipped+taxed
and then i saw the release of 4870 and it's shipped cost.
I was pissed exactly 2.2 weeks after I got my gtx280 lol
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