New Customer - Bolt 3 configPost Date: 2016-06-27 |
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Sigafoos2
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Topic: New Customer - Bolt 3 config Posted: 27 Jun 2016 at 10:19pm |
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Hello,
I am new to Digital Storm and this will be my first real gaming PC !! (am currently running an old W520 lenovo workstation laptop). Will be using games like Civ6, strategy games like Hearts of Iron/Starcraft and maybe some video editing. Am looking at the Bolt 3 because of somewhat limited space. I have a few questions: 1. Is it noisy? Some of the early reviews said that it was loud. 2. Should I wait to get an aftermarket 1080/1070 or just go with the reference cards (I heard that the reference card might be better in a smaller case)? 3. I assume I do not need the fancy liquid cooling, as I will not be overclocking. 4. How do I get wireless networking? The only option was for an ethernet port? 5. Monitors - this confuses me the most. I only have room for about a 24". Should this be 1080, 2k, or 4K? I heard that win 10 doesnt't do good with high resolutions. I would get 4K but apparently you can't even tell the difference with it on a 24"? Thanks for any help you can give in advance!! I know some of these might sound dumb Budget: $2500 Saved Ticket #: 1443588 Specifications: Chassis Chassis Model: Pre-built Digital Storm Bolt 3 Exterior Finish: Black Brushed Aluminum Hairline Finish Trim Accents: Edge to Edge Premium Acrylic Core Components Processor: Intel Core i7 6700 3.4GHz (Codename Skylake) (Quad Core) (Not Overclockable) Motherboard: GIGABYTE Z170N-Gaming 5 (Intel Z170 Chipset) (Mini-ITX) (Up to 1x PCI-E Device) System Memory: 16GB DDR4 2666MHz Digital Storm Certified Performance Series Power Supply: 450W SilverStone ST45SF (Bronze Rated) (Supports up to GTX 980) Storage / Connectivity Optical Drive: DVD-R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 8x / CD-Writer 8x) (Internal) Storage Set 1: 1x SSD (500GB Samsung 850 EVO) Storage Set 2: 1x Storage (3TB Seagate) Internet Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections) Graphics / Multimedia Graphics Card(s): 1x GeForce GTX 1070 8GB (NVIDIA Founders Edition) (VR Ready) Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio Digital Storm Engineering Extreme Cooling: H20: Stage 2: Corsair H100i GTX - 240mm Radiator Liquid CPU Cooler (Extreme Performance) HydroLux Tubing Style: - Not Applicable, I do not have a custom HydroLux liquid cooling system selected HydroLux Fluid Color: - Not Applicable, I do not have a custom HydroLux liquid cooling system selected Cable Management: Premium Cable Management (Strategically Routed & Organized for Airflow) Chassis Fans: High Static Pressure - Corsair Air Series SP120 Fans (2x 120mm) Internal Lighting: Software Controlled Internal + Front Panel RGB LED Lighting (Requires Airflow Control Upgrade) Airflow Control: Digital Storm Thermal Management Control Board & Software Digital Storm TwisterBoost Technology Boost Processor: Standard Intel Turbo Boost 2.0 Automatic Overclocking Windows OS: Microsoft Windows 10 Professional (64-Bit Edition) Display: Asus 24 inch 248 Series (2ms Response Time) (1920x1080) |
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DST4ME
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Quote Reply Posted: 27 Jun 2016 at 11:01pm | |
1. 90% of your noise comes from the fan's on the gpu when its under load.
2. aftermarket 3. cpu oc is a must as it makes the biggest difference in your performance, but fancy lc is not needed for that. 4. You either add a wireless pci card or a usb adapter. In this case the asus gaming pro has wifi built in: Well you can't tell the difference between 1080p and 4k on a 24" because 24" does not do 4k. Higher resolution = more details in the image = more clear crisp image: I would drop the 3tb hdd and add a 1tb ssd later myself. But if you know you need that much space then stick with it. take your oc to stage 1 on cpu. change your mobo to asus if you want built in wifi Edited by DST4ME - 27 Jun 2016 at 11:03pm |
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Sigafoos2
Newbie Joined: 27 Jun 2016 Online Status: Offline Posts: 11 |
Quote Reply Posted: 27 Jun 2016 at 11:07pm | |
What do you mean "take your oc to stage 1 on cpu"?
I could get a 27" monitor too. I heard that 1080 content doesnt work good on 2K monitor tho so it's best to either get 1080p or 4k? Ok I will wait to buy until digital storm has the after market cards (hopefully comes soon...) |
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DST4ME
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Quote Reply Posted: 27 Jun 2016 at 11:18pm | |
Your monitor will have its own native res, so for example a 27" with native 1080p is a crappy monitor, at that size the native res should be higher than 1080p.
I guess what I'm trying to tell you is that normally as the size of the monitor goes up so does the resolution, a 30" should never have the same native res as a 24". change: "Boost Processor: Standard Intel Turbo Boost 2.0 Automatic Overclocking" to stage one oc (over clock) you will need to change your cpu. Edited by DST4ME - 27 Jun 2016 at 11:20pm |
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bprat22
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Quote Reply Posted: 28 Jun 2016 at 1:53am | |
The motherboard you selected has built in WIFI. Just need to plug in the included antenna and you're good.
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Sigafoos2
Newbie Joined: 27 Jun 2016 Online Status: Offline Posts: 11 |
Quote Reply Posted: 28 Jun 2016 at 10:06am | |
oh ok. So I don't need to change to the Asus motherboard, I can just use the Gigabyte one and that has wifi?
I changed the CPU like the other person said: Chassis Model: Special Deal Hot Seller - Pre-built Digital Storm Bolt 3 Exterior Finish: Black Brushed Aluminum Hairline Finish Side Window: Edge to Edge Premium Acrylic Processor: Intel Core i7 6700K 4.0GHz (Codename Skylake) (Unlocked CPU) (Quad Core) Motherboard: GIGABYTE Z170N-Gaming 5 (Intel Z170 Chipset) (Mini-ITX) (Up to 1x PCI-E Device) System Memory: 16GB DDR4 2666MHz Digital Storm Certified Performance Series Power Supply: 450W SilverStone ST45SF (Bronze Rated) (Supports up to GTX 980) Expansion Bay: - No Thanks Optical Drive: DVD-R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 8x / CD-Writer 8x) (Internal) Storage Set 1: 1x SSD (500GB Samsung 850 EVO) Storage Set 2: 1x Storage (3TB Seagate) Storage Set 3: - No Thanks RAID Config: - No Thanks RAID Card: - No Thanks Internet Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections) Graphics Card(s): 1x GeForce GTX 1070 8GB (NVIDIA Founders Edition) (VR Ready) Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio HPC Processor: - No Thanks Extreme Cooling: H20: Stage 2: Corsair H100i GTX - 240mm Radiator Liquid CPU Cooler (Extreme Performance) HydroLux Tubing Style: - Not Applicable, I do not have a custom HydroLux liquid cooling system selected HydroLux Fluid Color: - Not Applicable, I do not have a custom HydroLux liquid cooling system selected Cable Management: Premium Cable Management (Strategically Routed & Organized for Airflow) Chassis Fans: High Static Pressure - Corsair Air Series SP120 Fans (2x 120mm) Internal Lighting: Software Controlled Internal + Front Panel RGB LED Lighting (Requires Airflow Control Upgrade) Airflow Control: Digital Storm Thermal Management Control Board & Software Chassis Mods: - No Thanks Noise Reduction: - No Thanks LaserMark: - No Thanks Boost Processor: Stage 1: Overclock CPU - Up to 4.4GHz (Depends on Cooling and Motherboard) Boost Graphics Card(s): - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my video card(s) Boost OS: - No Thanks, Please do not tweak the services on the operating system Windows OS: Microsoft Windows 10 Professional (64-Bit Edition) Recovery Tools: Windows Recovery Toolkit (Bundled with Windows CD) Virus Protection: FREE: McAfee AntiVirus Plus (1 Year Service Activation Card) (Not Pre-installed) ($35 Value) Office: - No Thanks Game: - No Thanks Display: Asus 24 inch 248 Series (2ms Response Time) (1920x1080) |
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DST4ME
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Quote Reply Posted: 28 Jun 2016 at 1:47pm | |
I'm sorry Sigafoos2 the GIGABYTE Z170N-Gaming 5 does also have wifi ability, I had not slept for 2 days and missed a few things, but to be honest with you I would go with asus over GIGABYTE for quality but thats just me.
Either way both mobos have wifi so you got that and are good to go, for future reference if you find yourself with no wifi ability, a tiny usb adapter for $40 can solve that for you. if you want to cover future upgrades bump the psu to 650w just incase, right now you are fine but we are not sure what the future holds. this config you have now is much more powerful then the one before due to the oc. FYI Do not install Mcafee or ask DS not to install it for you, instead get a lighter better anti virus like ESET Edited by DST4ME - 28 Jun 2016 at 1:52pm |
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Sigafoos2
Newbie Joined: 27 Jun 2016 Online Status: Offline Posts: 11 |
Quote Reply Posted: 28 Jun 2016 at 2:16pm | |
Ok I will get the better motherboard, it's not that much extra. I am still confused about the monitor because I heard that Windows 10 doesn't do good with scaling at high resolutions? If you play a 1080p video on a 4k screen it will either expand and look blurry or not take up the whole screen....
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DST4ME
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Quote Reply Posted: 28 Jun 2016 at 2:30pm | |
Not sure about that. I have not heard anything like that. Is that on a tv used as a monitor or a monitor? UNless you are talking about the same thing that happens when you try to watch 480i content on a 1080p, which how that is. Edited by DST4ME - 28 Jun 2016 at 2:40pm |
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db188
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Quote Reply Posted: 28 Jun 2016 at 3:03pm | |
you do realize that the GTX 1070 recommends a 500W psu, right? you won't be hitting 500 watts under load, but the system (with an I7 cpu) adds about 150W and if you oc it's going to require more power. i'm just saying that 450W psu is cutting it pretty close.
Edited by db188 - 28 Jun 2016 at 3:07pm |
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DST4ME
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Quote Reply Posted: 28 Jun 2016 at 3:17pm | |
From the tests I have seen a good 450w can do. Plus DS seems to think it can do it: Power Supply: 450W SilverStone ST45SF (Bronze Rated) (Supports up to GTX 980) 980 has the same 500w recommendation. I advised him to go with the 650w with the oc and future upgrade that one would be better. Edited by DST4ME - 28 Jun 2016 at 3:18pm |
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db188
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Quote Reply Posted: 28 Jun 2016 at 3:29pm | |
psu's are most efficient at 50% (in general) load. the stock/reference, non-oc'd, 1070 will draw ~65W (idle)/~220W (@100% load) from what i've seen tested. that's not total system power draw. for an I7 quad core (not oc'd) and the rest of the system i would guesstimate another 150W (under load). throw in any oc potential and your power needs rise.
to avoid him coming back with power issues at a later date, i would recommend at least a 500W psu (like Nvidia recommends), up to a 600-650W for maximum power efficiency. |
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DST4ME
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Quote Reply Posted: 28 Jun 2016 at 3:33pm | |
Alex seems very confident in the 450w strider and the load it can handle, I have to say it is an impresive psu.
However as I mentioned I would feel comfortable with a 650w option for future upgrades and head room. Personally I don't care that my system/psu pulls/uses more power. Edited by DST4ME - 28 Jun 2016 at 3:36pm |
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db188
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Quote Reply Posted: 28 Jun 2016 at 3:45pm | |
the psu is is only going to draw as much power from the wall as the system needs, so it doesn't really matter (from that perspective) how large (or more precisely how much extra wattage you get) the psu wattage is. efficiency determines how much extra power is needed to be drawn from the wall, and how much is wasted as excess heat. i'll assume you understand this, but a lot of people think by getting more psu than they need means that the psu will always draw more power from the wall than it needs, which isn't true.
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Sigafoos2
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Quote Reply Posted: 28 Jun 2016 at 4:00pm | |
I can get the 600W. I figured if there was a conflict with the parts, they would let me know before building it. Is the 600 more noisy/hot ?
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Alex
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Quote Reply Posted: 28 Jun 2016 at 4:21pm | |
600W it not noisy or hot at all. A larger power supply will run cooler since it is not being taxed as much by the hardware.
A 450W has plenty of room to power your configuration since the GTX 1070 are based on Pascal which draw very little power. |
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DST4ME
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Quote Reply Posted: 28 Jun 2016 at 7:19pm | |
I know, I just don't care about the extra heat and etc, not that I aim for it but if I'm stuck with it then it is what it is, it has never been a big issue as long as the load was something the psu could handle. Again don't get me wrong, I'm not disagreeing with you, I'm just saying if I have to pass 50% E I'm fine with the extra heat and etc. but that is only if I have to. I think more headroom is the best way to go.
They would let you know if there is conflict, should not be noisy specially if Alex said its not. Edited by DST4ME - 29 Jun 2016 at 12:37am |
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Sigafoos2
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Quote Reply Posted: 29 Jun 2016 at 12:50pm | |
Would it be ok to put the PC on the floor under my desk (low carpeting) or would I need some kind of platform on the floor?
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db188
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Quote Reply Posted: 29 Jun 2016 at 12:52pm | |
even with cases that have a raised base i wouldn't advise ever putting a pc on carpet.
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Snaike
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Quote Reply Posted: 29 Jun 2016 at 1:25pm | |
I can't speak for the Bolt, but my Vanquish has the PSU filter and fan on the bottom... there's no way it's sitting on the floor. Carpet would choke it and hardwood would be worse with dust and crap accumulating underneath.
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bprat22
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Quote Reply Posted: 29 Jun 2016 at 1:37pm | |
If you have pets or dust from forced hot air heat, for example, keep the PC at least a foot or two off the floor. The floor is where the hair and dust swirls, forms and gets kick about by any air currents.
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DST4ME
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Quote Reply Posted: 29 Jun 2016 at 4:22pm | |
No matter laptop or pc, where they sit has to be in manner where all the vents are open from all sides and not obstructed at all, and the more free space around the vent the better.
If your system is in a way that it has no vents at the bottom then yes but if your system/case/psu need to take in air from the bottom and you put your pc on carpet, kiss whichever part you are "chocking" goodbye and expect all kinds of system issues/shutdowns. Worst case scenario just go to Home Depot and get nice solid piece of wood that the pc can sit on. Make sure your case is not sitting flat on the surface, your case should have some kind of "stands", either wheels or just legs. Edited by DST4ME - 29 Jun 2016 at 4:25pm |
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Sigafoos2
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Quote Reply Posted: 29 Jun 2016 at 5:18pm | |
Guess I will be making room on my desk then!
A friend told me that I didn't need to wait for the 1080 variants because the fan used in the "founder's edition" was actually superior for a smaller chassis such as the Bolt... is that true?? |
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DST4ME
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Quote Reply Posted: 29 Jun 2016 at 5:21pm | |
Don't listen to anything that friend has to say anymore cause he has no idea what he is talking about.
One has nothing to do with the other. Nor is the fan the reason one goes for non reference/founders version. |
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Quote Reply Posted: 29 Jun 2016 at 5:33pm | |
The blower fan is better for small enclosures, yes. That spews out the hot air outside the case, so you're not recirculating it. But there may be enough space around the GPU in the Bolt 3 chassis for an open fan cooler to work well. Regardless, if DS offers a component as an option, it will work, otherwise they will have to deal with many unsatisfied customers.
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Sigafoos2
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Quote Reply Posted: 29 Jun 2016 at 5:37pm | |
He said that if it's an open air case, the other designs could provide more cooling, but the issue is they just recirculate hot air into the case vs. the reference card "blower" fan which removes it from the case.
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DST4ME
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Quote Reply Posted: 29 Jun 2016 at 5:38pm | |
I alway trust the pcb on the non reference and that is the reason why I recommend the non reference, if your system can't handle open cooler then there is something wrong with your system/config not the gpu, I mean if the fan on the gpu dictates your system then something is very wrong.
Edited by DST4ME - 29 Jun 2016 at 5:39pm |
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DST4ME
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Quote Reply Posted: 29 Jun 2016 at 5:41pm | |
Its pictured with an open air cooler:
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Sigafoos2
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Quote Reply Posted: 30 Jun 2016 at 10:53am | |
This may not be the place to get an unbiased view, but does anyone have an opinion about the --------, which is also a small form factor (but is VERY small, I am concerned about heat in that unit)? Didn't know if anyone had done any comparisons..
EDIT: Competitor name removed - Alex Edited by Alex - 30 Jun 2016 at 1:21pm |
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DST4ME
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Quote Reply Posted: 30 Jun 2016 at 11:12am | |
------ is not what it used to be, I get much better support here, thus I'm not familiar with FNW systems anymore.
EDIT: Competitor name removed - Alex Edited by Alex - 30 Jun 2016 at 1:21pm |
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Sigafoos2
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Quote Reply Posted: 01 Jul 2016 at 9:10pm | |
Now that they have the variants of the 1080/1070, which variant (ASUS or EVGA) is better for Bolt 3 or does it not matter?
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DST4ME
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Quote Reply Posted: 01 Jul 2016 at 9:17pm | |
Its upto you I prefer evga for my gpus.
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Sigafoos2
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Quote Reply Posted: 04 Jul 2016 at 9:35pm | |
Ok here is my near-final config, let me know if any suggestions/changes:
https://www.digitalstorm.com/configurator.asp?id=1447510 Chassis Chassis Model: Pre-built Digital Storm Bolt 3 Exterior Finish: Black Brushed Aluminum Hairline Finish Trim Accents: Edge to Edge Premium Acrylic Core Components Processor: Intel Core i7 6700K 4.0GHz (Codename Skylake) (Unlocked CPU) (Quad Core) Motherboard: ASUS Z170I PRO GAMING (Intel Z170 Chipset) (Mini-ITX) (Up to 1x PCI-E Device) System Memory: 16GB DDR4 2666MHz Digital Storm Certified Performance Series Power Supply: 600W SilverStone SX600-G (Gold Plus Rated) (Supports up to GTX TITAN X) Storage / Connectivity Optical Drive: DVD-R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 8x / CD-Writer 8x) (Internal) Storage Set 1: 1x SSD (500GB Samsung 850 EVO) Storage Set 2: 1x Storage (2TB Western Digital - Black Edition) Internet Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections) Graphics / Multimedia Graphics Card(s): 1x GeForce GTX 1080 8GB (ASUS Turbo) (VR Ready) Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio Digital Storm Engineering Extreme Cooling: High Performance Cooler with Five Heatpipes HydroLux Tubing Style: - Not Applicable, I do not have a custom HydroLux liquid cooling system selected HydroLux Fluid Color: - Not Applicable, I do not have a custom HydroLux liquid cooling system selected Cable Management: Premium Cable Management (Strategically Routed & Organized for Airflow) Chassis Fans: High Static Pressure - Corsair Air Series SP120 Fans (2x 120mm) Internal Lighting: Software Controlled Internal + Front Panel RGB LED Lighting (Requires Airflow Control Upgrade) Airflow Control: Digital Storm Thermal Management Control Board & Software Digital Storm TwisterBoost Technology Boost Processor: Standard Intel Turbo Boost 2.0 Automatic Overclocking Software Windows OS: Microsoft Windows 10 Professional (64-Bit Edition) |
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DST4ME
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Quote Reply Posted: 04 Jul 2016 at 9:51pm | |
I like to oc the cpu but that looks good.
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