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    Posted: 29 Sep 2011 at 2:26pm
What are opinions on the OS tweak option? I'm in Stage 3 of order...probably to late to change it (I didn't opt for the tweak).

I was worried they might disable something I need (how would they know?), but now I'm kinda wishing I'd selected it.
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  Quote Alex Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 29 Sep 2011 at 3:18pm
It's nothing super special, we just disable a few unnecessary services and such. I can't list them, as we try to keep that a secret. I can tell you this much, one of the industry reviewered tested our OS tweaks statement, they did benchmarks with the system as is, and then they did a fresh install and did benchmarks, our system with the OS tweaks was slightly faster, nothing major, just a few FPS.
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 29 Sep 2011 at 4:10pm
I would not use it, you got a link to that benchmark Alex I like to see it, cause if it did make a difference the system was not setup right, with 6GB of ram, proper gpu, and a quad core cpu, os tweak should make zero difference.
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  Quote Alex Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 29 Sep 2011 at 4:22pm
Sure, I knew you were going to come by and challenge me on that. Big%20Smile
 
It was a review done by HotHardware, where they had an entire section of the review about this very thing:
 
Originally posted by HotHardware.com

So are the performance differences "real?" As far as we can tell thus far, yes. The degree of performance acceleration is consistent, we see it when particular types of operations are performed, and we've yet to uncover evidence that the company is somehow warping test results.
 
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  Quote RiceEatin2000GT Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 29 Sep 2011 at 4:42pm
Originally posted by Alex



Sure, I knew you were going to come by and challenge me on that.




inb4 dst discredits hothardware.com

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  Quote Trench Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 29 Sep 2011 at 4:50pm
I wasn't looking for an increase in FPS as much as a "cleaner," better OS.
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 29 Sep 2011 at 4:53pm
Well that is not this platform and that is not a ht cpu and the review is 3 years old.

also that review said:

To be frank, we'd be happier if we'd been able to duplicate (or come within a reasonable margin of duplicating) the company's results based on the changes we've made to the OS environment.


All of the performance differences we mapped occurred in the Music, Communications, Productivity, and HDD suites. When we broke down the individual tests within those seven categories, we noted a distinct trend—all of the gains, when they occurred, occurred in benchmarks that involved searching, reading, or writing to the hard drive. Actual computation tests that were processor, GPU, or memory-bound did not show the same variations.


Also those are synthetic benchmarks, I didn't see any benches in that review that show difference in fps in games.

so lets recap the problems with that bench, it has only 4GB of ram, the cpu is old and does not support ht, and there were no improvements shown in games, not to mention that is from 2009.

now what does a 4 thread cpu, with 4GB of ram has to do with a 8 thread cpu, with 8GB of ram I have no clue.

show me a bench that has 6 or 8GB of ram, on a cpu that supports ht, with a current setup that has seen any difference in real world use and games then we can talk.

that review has only 2 benches on os tweak, one of which is synthetic and has nothing to do with real world use and the other showed the tweak actually slowing things down, as you can see below the clean install with out the tweak is doing nero faster then the oem tweaked os:



do you know how many-times and different ways I have tweaked windows? it makes no difference in real life use.

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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 29 Sep 2011 at 4:57pm
Originally posted by Trench

I wasn't looking for an increase in FPS as much as a "cleaner," better OS.


There is no such thing as a cleaner os, what your os does in the background with a 4 core 8 thread cpu and 8GB of ram will have absolutely nothing to do with your performance, its kinda like needing a job done that takes 4 people but you brought 12 people, so in short you got nothing to worry about, you got more then you need to being with.

I will put my non tweaked os against any tweaked os any day.

this whole disabling services was for the days when we had win xp with 1Gb of ram and due to shortage of ram, we needed to get rid anything that we may not have needed, so that we could use as much of that 1GB of ram we could, now you got 8GB, you got more then you need.

but if down the line there is a service you need and you don't know what it is, then you will have world of problems.

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  Quote Alex Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 29 Sep 2011 at 4:59pm
I'm not going to get in a debate over this. Cool
 
@Trench, it's up to you honestly, OS tweaks do help with freeing up system resources for slightly better performance. Big%20Smile
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 29 Sep 2011 at 5:00pm
Alex if the system already has lot of free resources that are not even being used, how can more free resources make any difference?
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  Quote Trench Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 29 Sep 2011 at 5:01pm
I note (on that review):

"A distinct trend—all of the gains, when they occurred, occurred in benchmarks that involved searching, reading, or writing to the hard drive. Actual computation tests that were processor, GPU, or memory-bound did not show the same variations."

My build is SSD only -- so probably not necessary. I did request (before reading this) that they add this option, and D.S. quickly responded.

Hope that doesn't mean they need to test my system all over again. :)
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 29 Sep 2011 at 5:02pm
cpu and gpu and memory bound not showing change means, no gains in cpu calculations, no gain in fps from gpu work.

You are correct you have a ssd amongst other things which is why I said for todays pcs it will not make a difference.

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  Quote Trench Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 29 Sep 2011 at 5:10pm
I would argue that there is such a thing as a cleaner OS. I've used CCleaner and Glary Utilities (both free) for my current XP, and they do a ton of s**t. I also disabled unnecessary start-up items, etc.

I'm guessing D.S. does similar. ?

Again, not looking for performance increase, per se.

As for "I will put my non tweaked os against any tweaked os any day" -- You know the OS much better than me, I'm sure. Including how to tweak it.

As for "Down the line there is a service you need and you don't know what it is, then you will have world of problems" -- Now I'm worried.
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 29 Sep 2011 at 5:46pm
You can see what all the services are here:

here and then disable whatever you like, you will see there will be no difference. Also you got a beast of a system, don't you want to get all the bells and whistles from your os?

CCleaner is a great app and I use it too, but that is not the same as tweaking the os, ccleaner removes temps files and etc, while tweaking disables services.

while we are on the subject, make sure you use the startup window of ccleaner to edit your startup apps, if you need help let me know.

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  Quote Trench Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 29 Sep 2011 at 5:53pm
"You got a beast of a system, don't you want to get all the bells and whistles from your os?"

Ugh. What will I be missing?


"Make sure you use the startup window of ccleaner to edit your startup apps."

Off topic for a second, I do use the link from the Start window. It makes a difference? What is your recc on Glary?

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I do use the link from the Start window. It makes a difference?


lol I'm sorry that went over my head, I didn't understand what you meant.

to be honest with you between my av and firewall, anti spyware and ccleaner I have everything glary does covered, but my apps do it better, also with ssd you don't want to do some of the things glary does.
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  Quote Trench Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 29 Sep 2011 at 6:06pm
"Make sure you use the startup window of ccleaner to edit your startup apps."

Now I see what you mean. I was using Revo Uninstaller for this.

Thx for word on Glary and SSD.

To be clear -- and again sorry for off topic, I'll stop -- CCleaner good for SSD?
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  Quote Trench Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 29 Sep 2011 at 6:07pm
"You got a beast of a system, don't you want to get all the bells and whistles from your os?"

What will I be missing?
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  Quote FR3SHM3AT Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 29 Sep 2011 at 6:28pm

@alex

 
you are correct sir  !!!!!
 
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 29 Sep 2011 at 6:30pm
It all depends on what the os tweak disables, that will decide what things will not be running and you could possibly be missing out on.

don't clean free space with ccleaner and you should be fine with ssd.

its your thread ask what you like
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  Quote Trench Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 29 Sep 2011 at 6:35pm
@FR3SHM3AT

Your reply is to what post?

Frustrating that the "reply" does not include the text related. As Steam forums do, most forums.
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  Quote Trench Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 29 Sep 2011 at 6:37pm
Originally posted by DST4ME

It all depends on what the os tweak disables


Ah, so you don't know?
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  Quote Trench Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 29 Sep 2011 at 6:42pm
DST4ME:

If I may ask -- and no disrespect; I've been following your posts for some time before purchase -- who are you?

Not likely a "traditional" employee, as you do recommend non-Digital Storm products (HAF-X). A compensated blogger, my guess.

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  Quote Trench Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 29 Sep 2011 at 6:44pm
edit: It's just that this person didn't use "reply."
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Damn, it happened again. Sometimes the text replied to is included, sometimes not.
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I'm a DS customer that has lot of experience and knowledge with hardware and software. I don't work for DS so I don't have to recommend only DS stuff.
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"my av and firewall, anti spyware, and ccleaner I have everything glary does covered, but my apps do it better."

Can you recommend (list) these?
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 29 Sep 2011 at 7:41pm
av/firewall: ESET Smart Security, it has a 30 day full free trial, try it first then buy a license after 30 days I love it and highly recommend it.

anti spyware can be be paid version of spysweeper or Malwarebytes
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  Quote cheebamaster Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 29 Sep 2011 at 10:15pm
Or consider Kaspersky...best AV i've ever had
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Kaspersky produced too many false positives during my testing, but to each his own.
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  Quote ironmb Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 30 Sep 2011 at 10:44am
Exactly too each his own. When DST makes a statement, remember its his opinion. That's why hes listed a customer, like everyone else but Alex.
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 30 Sep 2011 at 12:21pm
What I said about Kaspersky was not an opinion, those were the results of the tests I did with avs, you will also find some others have had the same issue when doing similar tests.

I rarely offer my opinion here but when I do you will see "IMHO" before I give it to you.

Whether I'm a customer or not it does not change the facts of how parts and apps perform.

Also since we are customers we are not bias, So you get the real deal from the customer.

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