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    Posted: 18 Sep 2016 at 11:55am
I'm a little confused about Vcore levels with OC. If I overclock an i5-6600k(3.5 ghz) with stage 1 oc(4.2-4.4ghz), will that be a higher vcore than overclocking an i7-6600k(4.0ghz) with a stage 1 oc(4.2-4.4ghz)?

Thanks in advance for the help. I'm still learning all this stuff.

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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 18 Sep 2016 at 11:59am
@Batman34 these questions are for the performance section

All chips are different once could oc to 4.4Ghz with 1.2 vcore the other might need 1.3 vcore to do the same so there is no way to compare or predict the oc level and the vcore it will take.

Now having said that you will find it harder to take a cpu with more cores to a higher oc then it is one with lower core, for example 6700k with 4 cores vs say 6950x with 10 cores. so the 6950 will probably oc lower with a higher vcore.

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  Quote Batman34 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 18 Sep 2016 at 12:09pm
Originally posted by DST4ME

@Batman34 these questions are for the performance section

All chips are different once could oc to 4.4Ghz with 1.2 vcore the other might need 1.3 vcore to do the same so there is no way to compare or predict the oc level and the vcore it will take.

Now having said that you will find it harder to take a cpu with more cores to a higher oc then it is one with lower core, for example 6700k with 4 cores vs say 6950x with 10 cores. so the 6950 will probably oc lower with a higher vcore.

Do you see any problem with a stage 1 oc with i7-6700k?(Vcore levels)

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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 18 Sep 2016 at 12:16pm
No if I did you would not see me recommending it. One of the great things about 6700k is how well it OCs

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  Quote Batman34 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 18 Sep 2016 at 12:23pm
Thanks for the response. Last question: What is your opinion of the Corsair H115i LC? I'm thinking of going with it because it is a cheaper Lc unit that performs well(4.4 Stars/2743 Reviews Amazon).
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 18 Sep 2016 at 12:49pm
That is not how you checkout things on amazon Batman34.

1. stars don't mean nothing look at the reviews themselves.

2. 2743 reveiws with 247 complaints. not including 3 stars.

3. not all 2743 revies are actually for the h115i:














As you can see all those reviews are for few corsair aio and not just one.

I don't care for aio coolers because they bring possibility of leak and pump failure. and they never last as long as a good cooler like noctua.

But now we are stuck with these so if I had to go with one I would go with the swiftech but DS wants to charge so much for it so I guess the next least evil would be the h115i.
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  Quote Batman34 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 18 Sep 2016 at 1:06pm
But couldn't an open loop LC also leak? If you go with Lc, there is always a chance of a leak. From what I've researched, the corsair h115i comes with a 5 year warranty and it has had decent reviews. A DS representative told me that it should last at the very least 5 years. Also, even if that specific model didn't receive all 2743 reviews on Amazon, the corsair closed loop models as a whole averaged 4.4 stars. Personally, I think it will do well.

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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 18 Sep 2016 at 1:16pm
Again its not possible to gage anything when multiple products are in teh same range.

DS rep is suppose to say anything DS offers is great of course. If ford uses some brand tires and you ask them about tires they will tell you whatever tire they have is the best. What I look for in these cases is the company backing up the product, Does DS offer a 5 year warranty on that product themselves? its real easy to predict the future over the phone but actions speak louder then words.'

the corsair aio has a bad rep for pump failure and the h115i is new so I'm not sure how somebody can tell you something will last a certain amount of time without that product being that old.

yes any loop can leak, but better parts will lead to less problems. if you check corsair leak vs open loop you will see there is less problems with open loop.

I have installed and replaced these h110, h100, etc not the h115i tho, and they all have issues within 2 years.

What you are ok with is up to you, personally I need good reliable proof that something is good, aka track record or personal experience.

I take my advise here very seriously and not just something I tell you and send you about your way. Therefore I make sure its as close to reality as possible for example you will never find me predicting the future for you of a product that is new to the market.

btw amazon is not the only place you should check for a pc product review specially when its all kinds of different ones bunched in one review.

also in my experience if a product has over 15% in 1,2 and 3 stars combined I don't touch it if the 3 stars reviews are very negative.

I like to point out that its not all corsair products with 4.4 starts otherwise look here it looks like the h100 is the best thing since slice bread:





but look again:




now I don't know about you but 132 one start reviews is not something I'm ok with. thats 10% on its own.

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  Quote Batman34 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 18 Sep 2016 at 1:24pm
From your expertise then, what cooling unit would you recommend for the Apollo? Hydrolux Lite? Hydrolux Pro?
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 18 Sep 2016 at 1:34pm
Honestly as I mentioned before its about budget now.

if budget allows and I don't need lc for a particular reason then My options would be:

1. hydrolux lite

2. h115i

but that is only here, If I was building a pc for you it would be the same as before:

1. noctua

2. hydro lite

3. hydro pro

Again keep in mind the h115i has not been around long enough for me to comment on it one way or another but if its anything like the h100 I would run the other way, but no way of knowing that till more time passes and more reveiws come out.

I am a big fan of corsair, I love their AX and HX psu and their ram. so please don't think I have something against corsair.

I just need proof to call something reliable. I'm not willing to tell you that the corsair h115 will last you 5 years with no problems till 5 years has passed and 80% of reviews say its been reliable.

I hope that the h115i proves to be different and reliable unlike its previous models.
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  Quote Batman34 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 18 Sep 2016 at 1:39pm
I'm confused, what do you mean by the first list 1,2 and the second list 1,2,3? Also, my budget is around $2500

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1,2 and 3 stars.

I think I already made a config for you with noctua, so replace noctua and see which fits in the budget.

If you want to go h115 that is fine, we just need to understand what we are getting ourselves into.

As I said the h115 might be fine we just have to wait and see.

For me right now here, unfortuantly I have to start recommending the h115 since there is no other options for that price range and there is no way I'm recommending the h110/h100, not with that track record and I don't care what the ford sells person says.
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  Quote Batman34 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 18 Sep 2016 at 1:54pm
Originally posted by DST4ME

1,2 and 3 stars.

I think I already made a config for you with noctua, so replace noctua and see which fits in the budget.

If you want to go h115 that is fine, we just need to understand what we are getting ourselves into.

As I said the h115 might be fine we just have to wait and see.

For me right now here, unfortuantly I have to start recommending the h115 since there is no other options for that price range and there is no way I'm recommending the h110/h100, not with that track record and I don't care what the ford sells person says.

What are your thoughts on the HydroLux Light and Pro?
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 18 Sep 2016 at 2:00pm
love light as a starter lc unit for a new person.

pro has good parts, besides you can always customize and get whatever you want, you can get your rad, block etc but I use and like the ek waterblocks for gpu which what DS uses right now, and their cpu water block is swiftech I believe which is a great one and I use that one also.

So long story short their hydrolux pro is a good open loop.
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  Quote Batman34 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 18 Sep 2016 at 2:02pm
Originally posted by DST4ME

love light as a starter lc unit for a new person.

pro has good parts, besides you can always customize and get whatever you want, you can get your rad, block etc but I use and like the ek waterblocks for gpu which what DS uses right now, and their cpu water block is swiftech I believe which is a great one and I use that one also.

So long story short their hydrolux pro is a good open loop.

But you think Light is also good?
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Ya light is good, it has good performance and not so many issues as the corsair.
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  Quote Batman34 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 18 Sep 2016 at 2:13pm
Originally posted by DST4ME

Ya light is good, it has good performance and not so many issues as the corsair.

Awesome! And why do you consider Light good for people who are new to liquid cooling?

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Hydro light is like a hybrid, its in between close loop and open loop, so it gives a good starter idea of what an open loop would be like, since you still have some small maintenance to do on it, like keeping track of liquid level, adding if it needs more, you can expand it to add gpu if you like.
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  Quote Batman34 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 18 Sep 2016 at 2:23pm
Thanks for all your help. You've done such a great job answering all my questions. Sorry if I ask too many.
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  Quote Batman34 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 22 Sep 2016 at 4:50pm
Since DS took away Noctua, I've seen you recommend the H115i Corsair cooling Unit. If money and work(maintenance) is not an issue, which would LC unit would you feel more comfortable recommending:

H115i or Hydrolux Lite

Sorry if this question seems redundant. I just want to go with the right cooling system(Cooling is my #1 concern).

Again, thanks for all your help.
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Ask as many redundant questions you like

hydro lite is the one I recommend ,tho so far the h115i is ok but not out long enough for me to say one way or the other. but if you took the hydro away and asked me which aio, I would go with h115i only.

so in term of performance its hydro lite that is better and more quiet but it cost more.

the h115i is new on the block, its predecessors dont have a great track record but the h115i so does not seem to be following that trend, but again its still not enough time to come to a comfortable solution.


if work and etc is no issue and you want to save money and get the same ballpark performance then h115i.

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Originally posted by DST4ME

Ask as many redundant questions you like

hydro lite is the one I recommend ,tho so far the h115i is ok but not out long enough for me to say one way or the other. but if you took the hydro away and asked me which aio, I would go with h115i only.

so in term of performance its hydro lite that is better and more quiet but it cost more.

the h115i is new on the block, its predecessors dont have a great track record but the h115i so does not seem to be following that trend, but again its still not enough time to come to a comfortable solution.


if work and etc is no issue and you want to save money and get the same ballpark performance then h115i.

Thanks for the response! Question, how are you so knowledgeable about PC parts, building/repairing, etc. Are you a computer technician?
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I have been building/ocing pcs for years for myself/family/friends/neighbors and some employees for a very long time.

But that is not my business, my main area of business is in shipping/stocks/consulting, I run my own businesses.

Like db188,bprat,FO and some others, we correct the tech that is hepling you over the phone, but we are not techs ourselves, nothing can replace years of hands on experience and knowledge.

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Thanks for the response and best of luck to you! And trust me when I say this, us newbies truly appreciate all the help you guys give.
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