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    Posted: 27 Jul 2010 at 7:04pm
Hey, guy ;D
I just heard about DS from my friend last week. I love it so far ;D
I really need some opinion about my spec (this my first time putting thing  together lol)
I will be using it for mostly gaming, Watching Movie, and Downloading lot of stuff.
i usually turn my PC on for about 3-4 week before turn it off for a night.

Ticket Number: 425871
Total Price with Instant Savings: $4,056.00
 
Direct Load URL: http://www.digitalstormonline.com/comploadsaved.asp?id=425871
 
Specifications: 
Chassis Model: Special Deal Hot Seller - Cooler Master 942 HAF X
Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish
Trim Accents: - Standard Factory Finish 
Processor: Intel Core i7 Extreme Edition 980X 3.33GHz (Six-Core) (Extreme Performance)
Motherboard: EVGA X58 LE Edition SLI (Intel X58 Chipset)
System Memory: 12GB DDR3 1600MHz Digital Storm Certified (Highly Recommended) (Hand Tested)
Power Supply: 1200W Digital Storm Certified (Dual/Triple/Quad SLI Compatible) (Silent Edition Highly Recommended) 
Expansion Bay: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 1: Operating System: - No Thanks
Set 1 Raid Options: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 2: Multimedia\Data: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 3: Backup\Misc.: - No Thanks
Optical Drive 1: DVD-R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 24x / CD-Writer 48x)
Optical Drive 2: - No Thanks
Internet Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections)
Video Card: 2x SLI Dual (NVIDIA GeForce GTX 480 1.5GB (PhysX Tech.) (EVGA SuperClocked 015-P3-1482-AR)
Add-on Card: - No Thanks
Sound Card: Creative Labs X-Fi Titanium Fatal1ty Professional (PCI-Express Slot Based)
Extreme Cooling: H20: Stage 2: Asetek Liquid CPU Cooler (240mm Radiator) (High-Performance Edition)
H20 Tube Color:- Not Applicable, I do not have a FrostChill or Sub-Zero LCS Cooling System Selected
Chassis Airflow: Upgrade Chassis With LED Performance Fans (Red) (Up to 6 Fans) 
Internal Lighting: - No Thanks
Enhancements: - No Thanks
Chassis Mods: HailStorm & 950Si: Processor & Video Card Area: Drill and Mount Two Side Window 120mm Fan Blow-Holes 
Noise Reduction: Noise Suppression Package Stage 1 (Optimized Airflow & Fan Speeds Only)
Boost Processor: FREE: Stage 1: Overclock the processor between 3.3GHz to 3.9GHz (Cooling Upgrade Recommended)
Boost Video Card: FREE: Yes, Overclock the video card(s) as much as possible with complete stability
Boost Memory: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my memory
Boost OS: - No Thanks, Please do not tweak the services on the operating system
Windows OS: - No Thanks, Please test my memory, I will be responsible for software based support
Restore Kit: Digital Storm Specialized Recovery System (DVD Image Based)

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I have a few concern about this spec,
I'm not really sure how much cooling i need for this one so i pick all the cooling option.
regarding Video card: 
2x SLI Dual (NVIDIA GeForce GTX 480 1.5GB (PhysX Tech.) (EVGA SuperClocked 015-P3-1482-AR)
since it already manufacture overclock, if i let DS overclock it again will it has any effect?
(should i go w/ normal manufacture card and then let DS over clock it for free?) 

Thank you, 
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Btw the way, if you guy have any suggestion please feel free to reply ;D
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this is a mess.
overkill
 
dragon can take this one, i know how much he likescleaning up messes Frustrated
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For gaming and movies, there is no need for a 6-core proc like the 980 -- you'll save a ton of money by dropping to a 920/930 and the free DS overclock (mild overclock and covered under your warranty).

12GB is also overkill if you aren't doing huge Photoshop file or video editing.  6GB is plenty for most needs.

You have no hard drives selected at all, so I presume you are supplying your own (or you like really expensive paperweights).

2x480 GPUs is great, but just one is fine for most games at 1920x1200 and below, even with max effects.  If you have a higher res screen or play GPU-killers like Metro 2033, you may need 2, though.  Plus you'll have headroom for a couple of years.  Your call.

If you want to overclock the GPU at all, yeah, let DS overclock the stock card.  You can always dial it back later if you don't like it.  Many people think the minor performance gain isn't worth the life-shortening extra heat.

I'll let the liquid cooling crowd chime in, but they generally recommend starting at Stage 3 at least for better performance.  For what you have here, though, I don't even see a need for water cooling.  The 942 you selected has good airflow, and either of the two Noctua air coolers for the CPU should be fine.

The 942 has good enough airflow you shouldn't need the performance LED fans, unless you're adding them for the bling factor.  The additions will likely make more difference in the noise factor (louder) than the temps.  Again, a style choice.

And your chassis mod applies to other cases, not the 942 you selected.  The 942 already has a side-mounted fan and grille/window.
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I would use This as a baseline.

The 2 480's might be overkill, depending on your monitor resolution.

Im not sure what you're doing for HDD's, but i would recommend a solid state for the OS.

Liquid cooling is nice, add it if you want, but i'd recommend only for the cpu.

LED fans look cool, but they do add quite a bit of noise with minimal temp improvement.

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Sorry, i forgot to mention,
I already have WD Velociraptor 10k RPM (i will prolly use this one)
as for my monitor, i have Samsung (23") LED Syncmaster PX2370

about GPU overclock, if i use 2x480(normal one not the superclock version)
and let DS overclock it. i should get the same result, right? ;D

Thank for the help guy
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Never never never bother with VelociRaptor HDDs. A 1TB 7200RPM 32MB drive has quite literately 90% of the speed of the fastest VelociRaptors, while also having way more space and being way less expensive. You'll never notice the difference between the two and they both pale so much compared to SSDs it is silly.

An Intel SSD has 80-100 times faster small file read/write performance and at least twice the sequential (large) file read performance of any conventional HDD available. Once you've had one you'll never go back to conventional HDDs for anything other than media storage.

So if you already have a VelociRaptor.. oh well, use it for music/movie/media storage I guess, but select an Intel SSD for OS/apps.
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Originally posted by Rem

Sorry, i forgot to mention,
I already have WD Velociraptor 10k RPM (i will prolly use this one)
as for my monitor, i have Samsung (23") LED Syncmaster PX2370

about GPU overclock, if i use 2x480(normal one not the superclock version)
and let DS overclock it. i should get the same result, right? ;D

Thank for the help guy


I think you'd get the same result, yeah.  The 480 is new enough that vendors haven't had much time to differentiate from the stock config yet, so let DS boost the stock.

IIRC, Dragoonseal doesn't recommend the raptors under almost any circumstances, but since you're not talking about buying it - you've already got it - I suppose you could use it.  You might want to consider having DS put a nice new Win7 64-bit build on an Intel SSD and using the raptor for secondary storage, but that might be overkill as well.
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Oops  Looks like Dragoonseal beat me to it.  lol
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I c, then i will let DS do the overclock on my GPU then. (and save about $80)  ;D
as for the Hard drive, I just check the price for 160GB SSD intel it about $500, it a bit expensive for me atm lol. plus i have WD 2TB (5600- 7200 RMP as my storage atm. i just brought both of em a few month ago. ><

I will definitely consider SSD when i make an upgrade to this PC ;D
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about CPU, i'm think about drop it from 980X to either 975(the promotion one or 960
and let DS do stage 2 overclock instead.  is that a good idea?

Thank you,
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you dont need the 160g ssd, all you need is 40 for just OS/apps, if you got the money bump it up to the 80 for a few main games to be put there, then when you get enugh money to upgrade again, the G3 would prolly b out by then n G2 prices should b lowered
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for Cooling i think i will change it to either Stage 3 Frostchill or Stage 4 Sub-zero LCS.

which do you guy think better?

Thank you,
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Originally posted by Rem

as for the Hard drive, I just check the price for 160GB SSD intel it about $500, it a bit expensive for me atm lol. plus i have WD 2TB (5600- 7200 RMP as my storage atm. i just brought both of em a few month ago. ><

I will definitely consider SSD when i make an upgrade to this PC ;D

Like Mr. mentioned, the 40GB or 80GB Intel SSDs are plenty for OS/apps. More space for games is nice but a luxury, first and foremost you want want for OS/apps and that doesn't take much room.

about CPU, i'm think about drop it from 980X to either 975(the promotion one or 960
and let DS do stage 2 overclock instead.  is that a good idea?

So you know a 930 and 960 are the exact same chip, the 960 is just factory overclocked a tiny bit and Intel charges hundreds of extra dollars for it, go figure. Seeing as they both overclock exactly the same and perform exactly the same at identical overclock settings, as they are indeed exactly identical chips, go with the 930 and save yourself exactly $305. And then pat yourself exactly on the back. Exactly.
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Originally posted by Dragoonseal


So you know a 930 and 960 are the exact same chip, the 960 is just factory overclocked a tiny bit and Intel charges hundreds of extra dollars for it, go figure. Seeing as they both overclock exactly the same and perform exactly the same at identical overclock settings, as they are indeed exactly identical chips, go with the 930 and save yourself exactly $305. And then pat yourself exactly on the back. Exactly.


Same applies to the 975 i believe. except with $750.
The 980X however is a different chip and is quite a bit better than the 920, but is not worth an additional 1000$

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i though the different between 975 and 970 is 975 is Quad-core but 970 is six core.
and ya i agree with 980x, it a bit expensive atm and when i wanna upgrade  hit pc (prolly 1-2year) the beeter Cpu willalready be out.
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In another post, Dragoonseal mentioned that the 975 (and 965, I think) are close to the other chips, but as "Extreme Edition" chips they are slightly different in bandwidth, so they are not identical like the 920/930/960.  But the differences mostly show up only in benchmarks and high overclocks.  If you don't already know you need the Extreme stuff, stick with the 920/930 and let DS o/c it.

The 980X is a different beast altogether, since it is a 6-core chip, not a quad-core.  When more software is optimized for 6 cores it'll be worth it, but not for most people at this point.
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Thank for all the reply & suggestion guy, ;D
Here is my new spec:

Ticket Number: 425966
Total Price with Instant Savings: $3,879.00
 
Direct Load URL: http://www.digitalstormonline.com/comploadsaved.asp?id=425966
 
Specifications: 
Chassis Model: Special Deal Hot Seller - Cooler Master 942 HAF X
Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish
Trim Accents: - Standard Factory Finish
Processor: Intel Core i7 930 2.8GHz (Quad Core)
Motherboard: EVGA X58 LE Edition SLI (Intel X58 Chipset)
System Memory: 12GB DDR3 1600MHz Digital Storm Certified (Highly Recommended) (Hand Tested)
Power Supply: 1200W Digital Storm Certified (Dual/Triple/Quad SLI Compatible) (Silent Edition Highly Recommended) 
Expansion Bay: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 1: Operating System: 1x (80GB Solid State (By: Intel) (Model: X25-M MLC Edition) (Extreme Performance)
Set 1 Raid Options: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 2: Multimedia\Data: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 3: Backup\Misc.: - No Thanks
Optical Drive 1: DVD-R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 24x / CD-Writer 48x)
Optical Drive 2: - No Thanks
Internet Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections)
Video Card: 2x SLI Dual (NVIDIA GeForce GTX 480 1.5GB (Includes PhysX Technology) (EVGA Brand)
Add-on Card: - No Thanks
Sound Card: Creative Labs X-Fi Titanium Fatal1ty Professional (PCI-Express Slot Based)
Extreme Cooling: H20: Stage 4: Sub-Zero LCS Cooling System: CPU Only
H20 Tube Color:Red Tubing with High-Performance Fluid (UV Lighting Reactive) 
Chassis Airflow: Standard Factory Chassis Fans
Internal Lighting: - No Thanks
Enhancements: - No Thanks
Chassis Mods: - No Thanks
Noise Reduction: Noise Suppression Package Stage 1 (Optimized Airflow & Fan Speeds Only)
Boost Processor: Stage 2: Overclock the processor between 4.0GHz to 4.2GHz (Requires H20 Cooling Upgrade)
Boost Video Card: FREE: Yes, Overclock the video card(s) as much as possible with complete stability
Boost Memory: Memory Fan Kit Only (Does not include memory overclocking service)
Boost OS: - No Thanks, Please do not tweak the services on the operating system
Windows OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate (64-Bit Edition)
Restore Kit: Digital Storm Specialized Recovery System (DVD Image Based)
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have a bit concern about Cooling i pcik stage 4 Sub-zero. is it a good choice? or should i go back to stage 3 Frostchill.

Thank you,
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oh, i got some question about SSD harddrive.
well, I kindda got a habit of format my PC every 4-6 month or so.
regarding SSD, will that be any problem?
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The 12GB of RAM will be of no benefit to either you or any games, may as well drop it down to 6GB. Only very select few heavy media editing/rendering applications can benefit from more, and you didn't mention using the PC for anything like that.

The only thing Windows 7 Ultimate offers that Professional doesn't is encryption software and multilingual support. The only thing Professional offers that Home Premium doesn't is access to the optional download and install of XP Mode. If you don't need multilingual support drop down to Professional, if you don't need XP Mode either drop down to Home Premium.

Drop the expensive Stage 2 overclock, stick with the free one. DS will OC a 930 to 3.9GHz even with just decent air coolers, 4 to 4.2GHz is easy enough to get on your own from there. Post in the OC section of the forums if you want help bumping up an overclock some.

The Stage 4 LCing is.. unnecessary. I'd call it downright overpriced but I'm not really sure what parts they use to build it. The Stage 3 LC should perform pretty similarly for much cheaper, but is also unnecessary, because like I mentioned before 4 to 4.2GHz on a decent air cooler (Noctua) is not hard at all, and it is really hard to get much higher than that even with LCing.

Keep in mind all the extra things add up darn fast. For example this baseline build will give you basically the same results (minus the sound card) for almost $1000 cheaper:

Ticket #425975, Price: $2913

Sound cards are subjective. I've never liked them, but some people swear by them. Either way I wouldn't recommend one unless you have a good pair of speakers or headphones to go with one.
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Originally posted by Rem

oh, i got some question about SSD harddrive.
well, I kindda got a habit of format my PC every 4-6 month or so.
regarding SSD, will that be any problem?
Thank you,
Rem

You mean reinstalling Windows via CD/DVD?

No not at all, it's very quick and easy with a SSD, takes about 15 minutes tops.
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ahh, i c ;D
SSD sound like a deal thenDrooling
as for sound card , i plan to buy Bose 2.1 speaker
for, Ram I have drop em to 6GB, shoyld i go w/ 2000Mhz or 1600Mhx)

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Go with standard 1600MHz. Not much benefit to 2000MHz, especially for the price.
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Including every suggestion and consideration Excited
here my update spec:  (hopefully, I can finalize it and put my order in.Drooling



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Ticket Number: 426049
Total Price with Instant Savings: $3,606.00
 
Direct Load URL: http://www.digitalstormonline.com/comploadsaved.asp?id=426049
 
Specifications: 
Chassis Model: Special Deal Hot Seller - Cooler Master 942 HAF X
Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish
Trim Accents: - Standard Factory Finish
Processor: Intel Core i7 930 2.8GHz (Quad Core)
Motherboard: EVGA X58 Classified 3X SLI (Intel X58 Chipset) (Requires EATX  Compatible Chassis) 
System Memory: 6GB DDR3 1600MHz Digital Storm Certified Performance Series  (Highly Recommended) (Hand Tested)
Power Supply: 1200W Digital Storm Certified (Dual/Triple/Quad SLI Compatible) (Silent Edition Highly Recommended) 
Expansion Bay: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 1: Operating System: 1x (80GB Solid State (By: Intel) (Model: X25-M MLC Edition) (Extreme Performance)
Set 1 Raid Options: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 2: Multimedia\Data: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 3: Backup\Misc.: - No Thanks
Optical Drive 1: DVD-R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 24x / CD-Writer 48x)
Optical Drive 2: - No Thanks
Internet Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections)
Video Card: 2x SLI Dual (NVIDIA GeForce GTX 480 1.5GB (Includes PhysX Technology) (EVGA Brand)
Add-on Card: - No Thanks
Sound Card: Creative Labs X-Fi Titanium Fatal1ty Professional (PCI-Express Slot Based)
Extreme Cooling: H20: Stage 3: FrostChill Cooling System: CPU Only
H20 Tube Color:Red Tubing with High-Performance Fluid (UV Lighting Reactive)
Chassis Airflow: Standard Factory Chassis Fans
Internal Lighting: - No Thanks
Enhancements: - No Thanks
Chassis Mods: - No Thanks
Noise Reduction: Noise Suppression Package Stage 1 (Optimized Airflow & Fan Speeds Only)
Boost Processor: FREE: Stage 1: Overclock the processor between 3.3GHz to 3.9GHz (Cooling Upgrade Recommended)
Boost Video Card: FREE: Yes, Overclock the video card(s) as much as possible with complete stability
Boost Memory: Memory Fan Kit Only (Does not include memory overclocking service)
Boost OS: - No Thanks, Please do not tweak the services on the operating system
Windows OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Professional (64-Bit Edition)
Restore Kit: Digital Storm Specialized Recovery System (DVD Image Based)
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I have swap out EVGA X58 LE to X58 Classi 3X SLI for future upgrade. ;D


Thank for all the help guy,
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