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  Quote agadou Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Topic: PLEASE ADVISE ON CONFIGURATION
    Posted: 10 Oct 2007 at 1:15pm
Hello all..! Tongue
 
I'm just about to buy a new machine as follow:
 
Case:Twister extreme.
Power: 850W thermalake
Processor: intel Core Duo E6850 3.00ghz (overclocked)
Motherboard: NVidia 680i Core 2 Quad  (A1 revision)
Memory: 2GB DDR2 Corsair @ 1066mhz
Media:Digital media reader
Hard drive: 300GB west. digital Raptor (10K Rpm)
Optical Drive: DVD witer x 20 / CD writer x 48
Connectivity: High speed Network Port.
Video Cards: 2x SLI Dual NVidia GeForce 8800 Ultra 768MB
TV tuner: ATI TV wonder 650
Sound card: SoundBlaster X-Fi
Cooling: Liquid Chilled CPU only (Twister Boost Overclocked)
OS: Vista Home Premium
 
So my question is: Should I go with 4GB of memory, a second hard drive, and liquid chill CPU and Video cards? Is there anything else I'm missing?
 
I want to stay reasonnable budget wise, but I don't want to be told later on that I can't make a change, or "I should have done it originally..!" etc...
 
Thank you all for your time and consideration... Embarrassed


Edited by agadou - 10 Oct 2007 at 2:10pm
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Intel core 2 Quad Q6600 2.4Ghz
Nvidia 680i Core 2 quad
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  Quote Stonevulture Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 10 Oct 2007 at 1:42pm
Only go with 4GB of RAM if you're planning on getting 64-bit Vista, and only go with 64-bit Vista if you have (or think you might need in the future) 64-bit apps and/or all your peripherals have 64-bit drivers available.  With 2x768MB video cards, you'll only be able to use at most 2.5GB of system RAM in a 32-bit OS.  What a lot of people have done here is get 32-bit Vista and 2GB of RAM, with the intention of adding 2 more GB of RAM themselves when/if they upgrade to Vista64.

More smaller drives will give you better performance than one large drive (unless that one large drive is actually a RAID set).

As far as liquid cooling, it's only really useful for heavy overclocking. If you're not going to overclock your video cards, you don't need them to be liquid cooled (especially with a case like the Ultra or Extreme that has lots of fans/good airflow).  If you're not going to overclock your CPU (or are only going to overclock it slightly), then stage 3 air cooling is sufficient.  If you are going to overclock your CPU to the maximum stable level, then liquid cooling makes sense.  Some people also think liquid cooling is quieter and choose it for that reason, and still others think it just looks cool (no pun intended).

One thing to bear in mind also is, at the moment, having two 8800 Ultras in SLI mode won't buy you a noticeable framerate increase with any of today's games unless you're playing in the very high resolutions that are only available on 22" monitors (or larger).  I'm not trying to talk you out of the 2x8800 Ultras if you have a smaller monitor than 22", but just know that if you don't have a monitor capable of 1600x1200 or higher natively, you could get 1 video card now and one later (and potentially cheaper) when you run across a game that demands more power than a single video card can deliver at the resolution you want to play at.  On the other hand, you never know what kind of video card horsepower will be needed for games that will be coming out in the next 1-3 years even at more standard resolutions, so SLI Ultras would "future-proof" your system a bit.

Hope this helps!
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  Quote agadou Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 10 Oct 2007 at 1:52pm
Whoaa! Thank you Stonevulture.
 
Ok you talked me out of 4GB of ram for now. (I can easely upgrade later).
Liquid cooling. That makes sense too. The CPU will be overclocked but not the video cards. So cooling only the CPU makes sense.
The 2 video cards in SLI mode, I have a 24" Samsung monitor, and the idea is to play the games at the highest resolution possible! Evil%20Smile
 
Thanks again for the advise.
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  Quote Stonevulture Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 10 Oct 2007 at 2:01pm
No problem.  To clarify my statement about drives, two separate 10k RPM drives should give you the best performance, provided you put your OS/pagefile on one and your games on another.

There's a thread around these forums somewhere where folks are talking about a three 10k RPM drive setup (one for OS, one for pagefile, and one for games) but the performance increase of that setup vs. two 10k drives is theoretical and (if it's even noticeable) is probably very small.

If you plan to have a drive that's used just for storage (tv/movies, mp3s, photos, etc.) the size and speed won't really matter.
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  Quote Phreak Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 10 Oct 2007 at 2:07pm
upgrade your motherbaord to the A1 Revision, otherwise you wont get as good of an overclock.
 
also realize, if you go with liquid cpu cooling then you will have to refill it and maintain the cooling system... can be a pain. so if you dont want to deal with that then id suggest sticking with air cooling.


Edited by Phreak - 10 Oct 2007 at 2:09pm
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  Quote Bigdog Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 10 Oct 2007 at 2:09pm
Agadou, you should also invest in one of those fatal1ty soundcards.  you get an extra 64MB RAM.  Kelly suggested it to me, there is no way you could go wrong with it, but it costs alittle extra.
Processor: QX6850 (3.3Ghz)
RAM: 4GB 1066 Dominators
Graphics: 2x 8800GTX 768MB
Sound Card: Fatal1ty
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  Quote agadou Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 10 Oct 2007 at 2:15pm
Thank you Phreak. Actually I'm getting the A1 revision. I am not familiar with the cooling "maintenance". Can you tell me more?
 
BigDog, thanks too, what's the advantage of that sound card compared to Soundblaster?
 
Finally, I have been told that the TV tuner might be a problem? I just want a connection to download and capture movies/pictures.
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  Quote Dashuu Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 10 Oct 2007 at 2:31pm
Wow, you guys on the forums are great! Making my job way too easy. Wink
Definitely go with the Fatality sound card if you can afford it, the performance jump from even the xtreme gamer is impressive. As for the liquid cooling, it can be a bit bothersome to refill but you only have to add liquid once a year. Depending on local climate of course. And the advice on RAM, spot on. I really have nothing to add there. Otherwise the build looks good. Give us a call if you want to run through the config with a representative.
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  Quote agadou Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 10 Oct 2007 at 2:41pm
Hi Dave!
 
Would you mind looking up # 86296? Let's add that soundcard, as well as the TV tuner (would like to be able to plug my camcorder in and capture easely!). For the cooling, I live in Southern Ca and the room can get hot like 80-90 degrees in summer despite the A/C when the computer is running for a while. But I would rather avoid the liquid cooling unless you recommend it. I really want a very performant and STABLE platform.
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  Quote Bigdog Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 10 Oct 2007 at 2:51pm
you should really call them for that hehe.
 
 
your going to have one rippin computer for sure.


Edited by Bigdog - 10 Oct 2007 at 2:53pm
Processor: QX6850 (3.3Ghz)
RAM: 4GB 1066 Dominators
Graphics: 2x 8800GTX 768MB
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  Quote Dashuu Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 10 Oct 2007 at 3:08pm
I don't think we'll be able to fit the TV tuner. The two Ultras you have take up an extra PCI slot. (Dang double-wides!) Then the sound card takes up the other one. I spoke to an assember about it while looking over your config and he said the same thing. Also, be sure to swap your optical drives around. Those lightscribes don't like to install an OS for some reason and it's just easier to have the other one as the main optical drive. As for the cooling, you could probably get by with AIR if you have a prime location for the machine to sit. Otherwise, I'd stick with the liquid cooling. Those Ultras get hot. 
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  Quote agadou Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 10 Oct 2007 at 3:21pm
Great, so what do you recommend for capturing videos? Can you explain the problem with the optical drives, I'm confused? Ermm
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  Quote Phreak Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 10 Oct 2007 at 5:37pm
also, if your cooling springs a leak. ut oh... pain.
 
imo. its not worth the little bit of extra overclocking power.
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  Quote commast Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 10 Oct 2007 at 8:50pm
Originally posted by agadou

Great, so what do you recommend for capturing videos?
 
Use a usb external tuner instead. There are quite a few. 
 
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