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    Posted: 25 Sep 2021 at 12:21pm
**UPDATE**
The waiting is over!

Day 01 09/27/2021 - Stage 1: Backlog Queue
Day 14 10/11/2021 - Stage 2: Pending Inventory
Day 22 10/19/2021 - Stage 3: Pending Assembly
Day 23 10/20/2021 - Stage 4: Assembly Started
Day 28 10/25/2021 - Stage 5: Stress Testing & Benchmarking
Day 36 11/02/2021 - Stage 6: Quality Assurance
Day 37 11/03/2021 - Stage 7: Packaging
Day 43 11/09/2021 - Arrived!

**End Update**

Greetings, folks! It's been awhile.

Budget: $3500-$4000ish


Expectations:
To last for 10 years...just like my last DS rig. :)

Usage:
Running Geneology software with potentially tens of thousands of names. Also going to be doing some gaming (New World MMO) 1080p monitor.

Special Needs:
I don't typically upgrade much. My DS ODE-3 (anyone remember these bad boys? ) is still rocking after 10 years--still has all the same parts!

All comments/questions welcome. Am just looking to make sure I'm not doing anything horribly wrong. Thank you!

Config ID 4101919

Chassis Model: Digital Storm Lynx
Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish
Trim Accents: - Standard Factory Finish
Processor: Intel Core i9-11900K (5.3 GHz Turbo) (16-Thread) (8-Core) 3.5 GHz (Rocket Lake)
Motherboard: ASUS Prime Z590-P / MSI Z590-A Pro (Intel Z590 Chipset) (Up to 2x PCI-E Devices) (No SLI Support)
System Memory: 64GB DDR4 3200MHz Digital Storm Performance Series
Power Supply: 850W Digital Storm Performance Series (Modular) (80 Plus Gold)
Expansion Bay: - No Thanks
Optical Drive: - No Thanks
Storage Set 1: 1x SSD M.2 (1TB Seagate FireCuda 520) (NVM Express) (Gen4 PCIe) <-- OS and Geneology stuff
Storage Set 2: 1x SSD M.2 (1TB Seagate FireCuda 520) (NVM Express) (Gen4 PCIe) <-- Games
Storage Set 3: - No Thanks
RAID Config: - No Thanks
RAID Card: - No Thanks
Internet Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections)
Graphics Card(s): 1x GeForce RTX 3070 8GB (VR Ready)
Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio
Add On Card: - No Thanks
Extreme Cooling: H20: Stage 2: Digital Storm Vortex Liquid CPU Cooler (Dual Fan) (Fully Sealed + No Maintenance)
HydroLux Tubing Style: - Not Applicable, I do not have a custom HydroLux liquid cooling system selected
HydroLux Fluid Color: - Not Applicable, I do not have a custom HydroLux liquid cooling system selected
Cable Management: Premium Cable Management (Strategically Routed & Organized for Airflow)
Chassis Fans: Digital Storm Performance Series (RGB Fans)
Internal Lighting: Remote Controlled Advanced LED Lighting System (Multiple RGB Color Modes)
Software Control: - No Thanks
Chassis Mods: - No Thanks
Noise Reduction: - No Thanks
LaserMark: Option Not Available
CPU Boost: Stage 2: Overclock CPU - Up to 5.1GHz on All CPU Cores
Graphics: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my video card(s)
OS Boost: - No Thanks, Please do not tweak the services on the operating system
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home (64-Bit)
Recovery Tools: USB Drive - Windows 10 Installation (Format and Clean Install)
Virus Protection: Windows Defender Antivirus (Built-in to Windows 10)
Office: Microsoft Office 2019 Home & Student (PC Attach Key PKC Only, No Pre-install)
Mouse Pad: - No Thanks
Display: - No Thanks
Surge Shield: - No Thanks
Speakers: - No Thanks
Keyboard: - No Thanks
Mouse: - No Thanks
Branded Gear: - No Thanks
Priority Build: - No Thanks, Ship Within 14-21 Business Days After Order Is Successfully Processed
Warranty: Life-time Expert Care with 3 Year Limited Warranty (3 Year Labor & 1 Year Part Replacement)

Edited by Jawa - 09 Nov 2021 at 12:53pm
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I would not overclock the CPU, not really needed anymore.
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  Quote Jawa Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 25 Sep 2021 at 12:53pm
Didn't realize that. Thank you.
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Beyond @Nomad1970's note, I'm not sure how to critique your config. I have zero experience and know next to nothing about genealogy software.

What I'm seeing is that even the recent versions have low minimum requirements, for the most part.

Family Tree Maker: At least 2GB (4GB recommended) of RAM and 900MB of storage
Family Historian: At least 100MB of storage
Legacy: At least 8GB of RAM and 500MB of storage

Indeed, these don't account for actually processing files and other data. Although, even if we go with the most demanding minimums and do some simple calculations:

Presumably very generous:

8GB RAM x 4 = 32GB
900MB x 4 = 3.6GB (~4GB)

Probably plenty:

8GB RAM x 2 = 16GB
900MB storage x 2 = 1.8GB (~2GB)

OS uses ~3 to 4GB

CPU... I assume you'll be able to multitask (i.e., proably run the genealogy in the background most of the time, if desired).

I don't play MMORPGs, though did find this:

Building the Best PC for World of Warcraft | Logical Increments

To me, it seems you'd be more than covered for the next decade with that setup.

At this point, I'll step aside for others to chime in.
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  Quote Jawa Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 25 Sep 2021 at 9:22pm
Thank you, MrCheetah. Interesting side note--tonight I heard from a friend that has been doing geneology for 30+ years. He has nearly 20,000 relatives in his tree. He runs family tree maker 2019. For that many people, anything less than 32GB RAM he says the lights in the house dim LOL. He's building a new PC this fall and going with 64GB RAM as well. So while you are right to point out the low system requirements to run the software, it's about running it well with lots of names/info/pictures, synchronizing with other online DBs, etc. I was surprised at this, too.

Also, thank you for the Logical Increments links--very informative!
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It's totally possible. I just don't have any personal insight and can't find a lot of user reported data. I have worked with SQL Server, MySQL, and MongoDB. I know resource requirements expand very linearly as the dataset size increases -- Mongo not as bad because it's a flat-file DB rather than a relational. However, I'm not in any way familiar with how comparable genealogy record processing is to those, for example.
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  Quote hoserator Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 26 Sep 2021 at 2:46am
Hi Jawa,

Still like your avatar. Awesome
I agree that you should get more memory than appears necessary. MS FS requires 32GB for optimal use and as everything digital gets more use....
I know some that have 64GB and lament not having more for science use.
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Simple fact: the Samsung 980 PROS are better than the Firecudas. Samsung has one of the best reps in high-speed storage anywhere, and they can be up to 40% faster than the Firecudas. I know the Seagates have the cooler name and all, and they have that "special offer" tag, but the better choice is also CHEAPER here. Additionally, I encourage you to consider the slightly slower, but 2X larger 2TB Samsung 970 Evo PLUS for your game storage. You'll never know the difference just loading games, but you'll want the capacity. It's still magnitudes faster than anything you've seen before.

Gaming (or anything else) at 1080p has no need for a 3070. It's as good as last gen's top card, the 2080 Ti everyone wanted for 4K. You want overkill a bit for "longevity"? The 3060 Ti is your killer card. It's faster than the last gen RTX 2080 everyone wanted for overkill at 1440p. At these prices, you don't need to waste money on a GPU you don't need.

As advised, the overclock will do far more harm than good. In your case, especially, with the ambition to run that long. The last thing you want is your CPU running that hot all the time and dumping extra heat into your case. You will not be able to wrap your head around the speed available now vs 10 years ago at stock.
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For what it is worth, I do a lot of genealogy work using Family Historian.

Currently have:
    Individual Records:2453
    Family Records: 1148
    Source Records: 2390
    Media Records: 3617
    Place Records: 1533

I run FH on a Lumos with an i7 9700k, RTX 2070Super, 32GB 3200mHz RAM, Samsung 1TB 970Pro

My FH project runs everything instantaneously with this setup. I would not expect 10,000 individual records, with associated source/media records to cause any noticeable slow-down. FH seems to have a very efficiently managed database that does not bog down the computer. I have heard of FH users with over 20,000 individuals in their database that do not complain of any computer bottlenecks.
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  Quote Jawa Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 26 Sep 2021 at 11:06am
Originally posted by hoserator

Hi Jawa,
Still like your avatar. Awesome
I agree that you should get more memory than appears necessary. MS FS requires 32GB for optimal use and as everything digital gets more use....
I know some that have 64GB and lament not having more for science use.
Enjoy.
Appreciate that, hoserator!
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  Quote Jawa Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 26 Sep 2021 at 11:08am
Originally posted by Cretae

Simple fact: the Samsung 980 PROS are better than the Firecudas. Samsung has one of the best reps in high-speed storage anywhere, and they can be up to 40% faster than the Firecudas. I know the Seagates have the cooler name and all, and they have that "special offer" tag, but the better choice is also CHEAPER here. Additionally, I encourage you to consider the slightly slower, but 2X larger 2TB Samsung 970 Evo PLUS for your game storage. You'll never know the difference just loading games, but you'll want the capacity. It's still magnitudes faster than anything you've seen before.

Gaming (or anything else) at 1080p has no need for a 3070. It's as good as last gen's top card, the 2080 Ti everyone wanted for 4K. You want overkill a bit for "longevity"? The 3060 Ti is your killer card. It's faster than the last gen RTX 2080 everyone wanted for overkill at 1440p. At these prices, you don't need to waste money on a GPU you don't need.

As advised, the overclock will do far more harm than good. In your case, especially, with the ambition to run that long. The last thing you want is your CPU running that hot all the time and dumping extra heat into your case. You will not be able to wrap your head around the speed available now vs 10 years ago at stock.


Excellent, thank you, Cretae. I needed this!
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  Quote Jawa Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 26 Sep 2021 at 11:09am
Originally posted by Bob100

For what it is worth, I do a lot of genealogy work using Family Historian.

Currently have:
    Individual Records:2453
    Family Records: 1148
    Source Records: 2390
    Media Records: 3617
    Place Records: 1533

I run FH on a Lumos with an i7 9700k, RTX 2070Super, 32GB 3200mHz RAM, Samsung 1TB 970Pro

My FH project runs everything instantaneously with this setup. I would not expect 10,000 individual records, with associated source/media records to cause any noticeable slow-down. FH seems to have a very efficiently managed database that does not bog down the computer. I have heard of FH users with over 20,000 individuals in their database that do not complain of any computer bottlenecks.


Good to know, Bob100, thank you.
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Ok this is the new version based on your feedback (thank you!). Pared it down for legibility.

Chassis Model: Digital Storm Lynx
Processor: Intel Core i9-11900K (5.3 GHz Turbo) (16-Thread) (8-Core) 3.5 GHz (Rocket Lake)
Motherboard: ASUS Prime Z590-P / MSI Z590-A Pro (Intel Z590 Chipset) (Up to 2x PCI-E Devices) (No SLI Support)
System Memory: 64GB DDR4 3200MHz Digital Storm Performance Series
Power Supply: 850W Digital Storm Performance Series (Modular) (80 Plus Gold)
Storage Set 1: 1x SSD M.2 (1TB Samsung 980 PRO) (NVM Express)
Storage Set 2: 1x SSD M.2 (2TB Samsung 970 EVO PLUS) (NVM Express)
Graphics Card(s): 1x GeForce RTX 3070 8GB (VR Ready)
Extreme Cooling: H20: Stage 2: Digital Storm Vortex Liquid CPU Cooler (Dual Fan) (Fully Sealed + No Maintenance)


Just to be clear--the 1T Samsung 980 PRO is 'fastest' one on the list, right?
Also, the RAM is 3200MHz--it would be pointless to go with 3600MHz, correct?

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  Quote MrCheetah Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 27 Sep 2021 at 7:09pm
Originally posted by Jawa

Just to be clear--the 1T Samsung 980 PRO is 'fastest' one on the list, right?

Correct.

Originally posted by Jawa

Also, the RAM is 3200MHz--it would be pointless to go with 3600MHz, correct?

Simple answer, yes. Some of the long answer.
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  Quote Jawa Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 27 Sep 2021 at 9:07pm
Originally posted by MrCheetah

Originally posted by Jawa

Just to be clear--the 1T Samsung 980 PRO is 'fastest' one on the list, right?

Correct.

Originally posted by Jawa

Also, the RAM is 3200MHz--it would be pointless to go with 3600MHz, correct?

Simple answer, yes. Some of the long answer.


Thanks again, MrCheetah!

Ordered. Now the wait begins...
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All good. Well done.
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I'll update the top of this thread with dates as I know lots of folks want an idea of how long it takes between ordering and receiving the PC.
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Stage 2 now!
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I am in stage 1 but still excited!!!!!!!!!
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Stage 3 now!
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Jawa,

I just moved to Stage 2.

Congrats on stage 3 and remember those of us in lower stages love unboxing videos. Hint Hint for when FedEx shows up one of these days in the near future.

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Originally posted by Onkel_Ken

Jawa,

I just moved to Stage 2.

Congrats on stage 3 and remember those of us in lower stages love unboxing videos. Hint Hint for when FedEx shows up one of these days in the near future.



Hmm...hadn't thought to do an unboxing video. You might be the only one who watches it! I'm not exactly Spielberg, but I'll think on it.
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You might be the only one who watches it!
That is doubtful ...     Around here we love unboxing vids of DS rigs. To see a new beast nestled into their new homes with all the fun accessories, lights and magic... its really part of the culture around here.   
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Good to know!

Also....Stage 4: Assembly Started today!
*Pictures Paul Revere riding through town shouting "They're making it! They're making it!"*
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Jawa,

Stage 4 would be bad if it was cancer but great news from Digital storm!

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Stage 5 today! Woo-hoo!
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Jawa,

Congrats on Stage 5! I entered Stage 4 today myself.

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Six days in Stage 4 is much more like the numbers we're used to over the years. Nice to see!   
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Stage 6 today! Woot!   
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Quick questions for the experts as Alder Lake has come out recently (I just hit Stage 6) :

1. Is it too late to upgrade my CPU/Mobo/RAM to the new stuff?
2. If it's not too late, would it be a good idea? I'm leaning toward yes.

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Only DS could tell you if it's too late or not. I know they try very hard to deliver the system you really desire, but they are maybe just hours from shipping your rig. All the work done so far may cost you something, since it's been through testing and all.

I think the upgrade is so cutting edge, it would be worth it. Some have stated reservations about being among the first to test out the newest hardware for bugs, but I'm not aware that the latest hardware releases over the past few years have had many issues. These are all questions DS can answer easily, but you don't have much time.

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