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**UPDATE**
The waiting is over! Day 01 09/27/2021 - Stage 1: Backlog Queue Day 14 10/11/2021 - Stage 2: Pending Inventory Day 22 10/19/2021 - Stage 3: Pending Assembly Day 23 10/20/2021 - Stage 4: Assembly Started Day 28 10/25/2021 - Stage 5: Stress Testing & Benchmarking Day 36 11/02/2021 - Stage 6: Quality Assurance Day 37 11/03/2021 - Stage 7: Packaging Day 43 11/09/2021 - Arrived! ![]() **End Update** Greetings, folks! It's been awhile. Budget: $3500-$4000ish Expectations: To last for 10 years...just like my last DS rig. :) Usage: Running Geneology software with potentially tens of thousands of names. Also going to be doing some gaming (New World MMO) 1080p monitor. Special Needs: I don't typically upgrade much. My DS ODE-3 (anyone remember these bad boys? ![]() All comments/questions welcome. Am just looking to make sure I'm not doing anything horribly wrong. Thank you! Config ID 4101919 Chassis Model: Digital Storm Lynx Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish Trim Accents: - Standard Factory Finish Processor: Intel Core i9-11900K (5.3 GHz Turbo) (16-Thread) (8-Core) 3.5 GHz (Rocket Lake) Motherboard: ASUS Prime Z590-P / MSI Z590-A Pro (Intel Z590 Chipset) (Up to 2x PCI-E Devices) (No SLI Support) System Memory: 64GB DDR4 3200MHz Digital Storm Performance Series Power Supply: 850W Digital Storm Performance Series (Modular) (80 Plus Gold) Expansion Bay: - No Thanks Optical Drive: - No Thanks Storage Set 1: 1x SSD M.2 (1TB Seagate FireCuda 520) (NVM Express) (Gen4 PCIe) <-- OS and Geneology stuff Storage Set 2: 1x SSD M.2 (1TB Seagate FireCuda 520) (NVM Express) (Gen4 PCIe) <-- Games Storage Set 3: - No Thanks RAID Config: - No Thanks RAID Card: - No Thanks Internet Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections) Graphics Card(s): 1x GeForce RTX 3070 8GB (VR Ready) Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio Add On Card: - No Thanks Extreme Cooling: H20: Stage 2: Digital Storm Vortex Liquid CPU Cooler (Dual Fan) (Fully Sealed + No Maintenance) HydroLux Tubing Style: - Not Applicable, I do not have a custom HydroLux liquid cooling system selected HydroLux Fluid Color: - Not Applicable, I do not have a custom HydroLux liquid cooling system selected Cable Management: Premium Cable Management (Strategically Routed & Organized for Airflow) Chassis Fans: Digital Storm Performance Series (RGB Fans) Internal Lighting: Remote Controlled Advanced LED Lighting System (Multiple RGB Color Modes) Software Control: - No Thanks Chassis Mods: - No Thanks Noise Reduction: - No Thanks LaserMark: Option Not Available CPU Boost: Stage 2: Overclock CPU - Up to 5.1GHz on All CPU Cores Graphics: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my video card(s) OS Boost: - No Thanks, Please do not tweak the services on the operating system Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home (64-Bit) Recovery Tools: USB Drive - Windows 10 Installation (Format and Clean Install) Virus Protection: Windows Defender Antivirus (Built-in to Windows 10) Office: Microsoft Office 2019 Home & Student (PC Attach Key PKC Only, No Pre-install) Mouse Pad: - No Thanks Display: - No Thanks Surge Shield: - No Thanks Speakers: - No Thanks Keyboard: - No Thanks Mouse: - No Thanks Branded Gear: - No Thanks Priority Build: - No Thanks, Ship Within 14-21 Business Days After Order Is Successfully Processed Warranty: Life-time Expert Care with 3 Year Limited Warranty (3 Year Labor & 1 Year Part Replacement) Edited by Jawa - 09 Nov 2021 at 12:53pm |
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Nomad1970 ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 23 Feb 2013 Online Status: Offline Posts: 716 |
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I would not overclock the CPU, not really needed anymore.
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I7-9700 oc 4.7GHz 32GB DDR4 3000MHz Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro SSD M.2 (512GB Samsung 970 PRO) SSD M.2 1TB Samsung 970 EVO 240GB Samsung 860 Pro SSD 1TB W.D. HD EVGA GTX 1080Ti |
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Jawa ![]() Groupie ![]() ![]() Joined: 19 Jun 2011 Online Status: Offline Posts: 254 |
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Didn't realize that. Thank you.
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MrCheetah ![]() Groupie ![]() Joined: 09 Mar 2021 Online Status: Offline Posts: 392 |
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Beyond @Nomad1970's note, I'm not sure how to critique your config. I have zero experience and know next to nothing about genealogy software.
What I'm seeing is that even the recent versions have low minimum requirements, for the most part. Family Tree Maker: At least 2GB (4GB recommended) of RAM and 900MB of storage Family Historian: At least 100MB of storage Legacy: At least 8GB of RAM and 500MB of storage Indeed, these don't account for actually processing files and other data. Although, even if we go with the most demanding minimums and do some simple calculations: Presumably very generous: 8GB RAM x 4 = 32GB 900MB x 4 = 3.6GB (~4GB) Probably plenty: 8GB RAM x 2 = 16GB 900MB storage x 2 = 1.8GB (~2GB) OS uses ~3 to 4GB CPU... I assume you'll be able to multitask (i.e., proably run the genealogy in the background most of the time, if desired). I don't play MMORPGs, though did find this: Building the Best PC for World of Warcraft | Logical Increments To me, it seems you'd be more than covered for the next decade with that setup. At this point, I'll step aside for others to chime in. |
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Jawa ![]() Groupie ![]() ![]() Joined: 19 Jun 2011 Online Status: Offline Posts: 254 |
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Thank you, MrCheetah. Interesting side note--tonight I heard from a friend that has been doing geneology for 30+ years. He has nearly 20,000 relatives in his tree. He runs family tree maker 2019. For that many people, anything less than 32GB RAM he says the lights in the house dim LOL. He's building a new PC this fall and going with 64GB RAM as well. So while you are right to point out the low system requirements to run the software, it's about running it well with lots of names/info/pictures, synchronizing with other online DBs, etc. I was surprised at this, too.
Also, thank you for the Logical Increments links--very informative! |
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MrCheetah ![]() Groupie ![]() Joined: 09 Mar 2021 Online Status: Offline Posts: 392 |
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It's totally possible. I just don't have any personal insight and can't find a lot of user reported data. I have worked with SQL Server, MySQL, and MongoDB. I know resource requirements expand very linearly as the dataset size increases -- Mongo not as bad because it's a flat-file DB rather than a relational. However, I'm not in any way familiar with how comparable genealogy record processing is to those, for example.
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Hi Jawa, Still like your avatar. ![]() I agree that you should get more memory than appears necessary. MS FS requires 32GB for optimal use and as everything digital gets more use.... I know some that have 64GB and lament not having more for science use. Enjoy.
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Simple fact: the Samsung 980 PROS are better than the Firecudas. Samsung has one of the best reps in high-speed storage anywhere, and they can be up to 40% faster than the Firecudas. I know the Seagates have the cooler name and all, and they have that "special offer" tag, but the better choice is also CHEAPER here. Additionally, I encourage you to consider the slightly slower, but 2X larger 2TB Samsung 970 Evo PLUS for your game storage. You'll never know the difference just loading games, but you'll want the capacity. It's still magnitudes faster than anything you've seen before.
Gaming (or anything else) at 1080p has no need for a 3070. It's as good as last gen's top card, the 2080 Ti everyone wanted for 4K. You want overkill a bit for "longevity"? The 3060 Ti is your killer card. It's faster than the last gen RTX 2080 everyone wanted for overkill at 1440p. At these prices, you don't need to waste money on a GPU you don't need. As advised, the overclock will do far more harm than good. In your case, especially, with the ambition to run that long. The last thing you want is your CPU running that hot all the time and dumping extra heat into your case. You will not be able to wrap your head around the speed available now vs 10 years ago at stock. ![]() |
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For what it is worth, I do a lot of genealogy work using Family Historian.
Currently have: Individual Records:2453 Family Records: 1148 Source Records: 2390 Media Records: 3617 Place Records: 1533 I run FH on a Lumos with an i7 9700k, RTX 2070Super, 32GB 3200mHz RAM, Samsung 1TB 970Pro My FH project runs everything instantaneously with this setup. I would not expect 10,000 individual records, with associated source/media records to cause any noticeable slow-down. FH seems to have a very efficiently managed database that does not bog down the computer. I have heard of FH users with over 20,000 individuals in their database that do not complain of any computer bottlenecks. |
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Jawa ![]() Groupie ![]() ![]() Joined: 19 Jun 2011 Online Status: Offline Posts: 254 |
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Jawa ![]() Groupie ![]() ![]() Joined: 19 Jun 2011 Online Status: Offline Posts: 254 |
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Excellent, thank you, Cretae. I needed this! |
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Good to know, Bob100, thank you. |
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Glad I could help!
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Jawa ![]() Groupie ![]() ![]() Joined: 19 Jun 2011 Online Status: Offline Posts: 254 |
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Ok this is the new version based on your feedback (thank you!). Pared it down for legibility.
Chassis Model: Digital Storm Lynx Processor: Intel Core i9-11900K (5.3 GHz Turbo) (16-Thread) (8-Core) 3.5 GHz (Rocket Lake) Motherboard: ASUS Prime Z590-P / MSI Z590-A Pro (Intel Z590 Chipset) (Up to 2x PCI-E Devices) (No SLI Support) System Memory: 64GB DDR4 3200MHz Digital Storm Performance Series Power Supply: 850W Digital Storm Performance Series (Modular) (80 Plus Gold) Storage Set 1: 1x SSD M.2 (1TB Samsung 980 PRO) (NVM Express) Storage Set 2: 1x SSD M.2 (2TB Samsung 970 EVO PLUS) (NVM Express) Graphics Card(s): 1x GeForce RTX 3070 8GB (VR Ready) Extreme Cooling: H20: Stage 2: Digital Storm Vortex Liquid CPU Cooler (Dual Fan) (Fully Sealed + No Maintenance) Just to be clear--the 1T Samsung 980 PRO is 'fastest' one on the list, right? Also, the RAM is 3200MHz--it would be pointless to go with 3600MHz, correct? Thank you, Jawa |
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Correct.
Simple answer, yes. Some of the long answer. |
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• Ryzen 5600X, ROG Strix B550-I, RX 6900 XT, 32GB Vengeance, 960GB MP510
• be quiet 500DX, i7 11700K, ROG Strix Z590-E, RTX 4080 ProArt + RTX 4070 Ti ProArt, 64GB HyperX Fury, 2TB SN850 |
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Jawa ![]() Groupie ![]() ![]() Joined: 19 Jun 2011 Online Status: Offline Posts: 254 |
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Thanks again, MrCheetah! Ordered. Now the wait begins... ![]() |
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All good. Well done.
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Congrats,
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I'll update the top of this thread with dates as I know lots of folks want an idea of how long it takes between ordering and receiving the PC.
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Stage 2 now!
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I am in stage 1 but still excited!!!!!!!!!
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Stage 3 now!
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Jawa,
I just moved to Stage 2. Congrats on stage 3 and remember those of us in lower stages love unboxing videos. Hint Hint for when FedEx shows up one of these days in the near future. ![]() |
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Jawa ![]() Groupie ![]() ![]() Joined: 19 Jun 2011 Online Status: Offline Posts: 254 |
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Hmm...hadn't thought to do an unboxing video. You might be the only one who watches it! I'm not exactly Spielberg, but I'll think on it. |
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They're pretty popular!
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Good to know!
Also....Stage 4: Assembly Started today! ![]() *Pictures Paul Revere riding through town shouting "They're making it! They're making it!"* |
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Jawa,
Stage 4 would be bad if it was cancer but great news from Digital storm! ![]() |
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Stage 5 today! Woo-hoo!
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Jawa,
Congrats on Stage 5! I entered Stage 4 today myself. ![]() |
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Six days in Stage 4 is much more like the numbers we're used to over the years. Nice to see!
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Stage 6 today! Woot!
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Quick questions for the experts as Alder Lake has come out recently (I just hit Stage 6) :
1. Is it too late to upgrade my CPU/Mobo/RAM to the new stuff? 2. If it's not too late, would it be a good idea? I'm leaning toward yes. Thank you, Jawa |
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Only DS could tell you if it's too late or not. I know they try very hard to deliver the system you really desire, but they are maybe just hours from shipping your rig. All the work done so far may cost you something, since it's been through testing and all.
I think the upgrade is so cutting edge, it would be worth it. Some have stated reservations about being among the first to test out the newest hardware for bugs, but I'm not aware that the latest hardware releases over the past few years have had many issues. These are all questions DS can answer easily, but you don't have much time. Good luck. ![]() |
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