2011 Gaming PC advice appreciatedPost Date: 2011-04-19 |
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OriginOfRed
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Topic: 2011 Gaming PC advice appreciatedPosted: 19 Apr 2011 at 2:19pm |
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1. Budget: $2000 ish
2. Expectations: Longevity, upgradable for future needs (SLI maybe)
3. Usage: Battlefield 3, SW:TOR, the odd video render, big into gaming though.
4. Special Needs: None except maybe filters for dust if possible.
I read a few threads and mainly tried to follow the advice of DTS4ME on a build or two that was being discussed.
Does this look like a solid build for high quality gaming and room for upgrade in the future? keeping in mind technology advances upcoming.
is there anywhere I can shave some "fat" off?
Thanks in advance.
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DST4ME
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Posted: 19 Apr 2011 at 3:23pm |
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What res you gaming at? that system can't do sli, so no future gpu upgrade, once I know the res you gonna be gaming at, we can figure out what to get, you did pretty good tho for most of the stuff.
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OriginOfRed
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Posted: 19 Apr 2011 at 3:42pm |
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I'm not sure about the res, right now I do not have a PC. I'm guessing the res is dependent on my choice of monitor? My budget for a monitor would probably be around $200 ish maybe $300 if its a big upgrade.
I was looking at an ASUS VH236H for my xbox gaming but I would be open to any suggestions you had as far as PC gaming monitors.I am basically making a gaming setup in my home with a PC and xbox/ps3 all on the same area.
to set myself up with the possibility to go SLI, what changes are required? and what res would you suggest based on my budget.
Appreciate the help.
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Posted: 19 Apr 2011 at 3:45pm |
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just swap to the deluxe mobo and i think your good.
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DST4ME
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Posted: 19 Apr 2011 at 4:14pm |
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Most important thing about a monitor is its picture quality, that comes from the panel, that asus has a tn panel that does not have the best picture quality, this dell has an IPS panel for superior picture quality:
Dell UltraSharp U2311H 23 for your price range I would go with that, lot of time there are specials or coupons and you can pick it up for around $250. to go sli you need a mobo and a psu that can do that for yo. For 1900 x 1200/1080 res and sli ability: Here you go Ticket# 525492 --- $2415 (To see this build click here) Copy of Specifications: Chassis Model: Special Deal Hot Seller - Cooler Master 942 HAF X Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish Trim Accents: - Standard Factory Finish Processor: Intel Core i7 2600K 3.40GHz (Unlocked CPU for Extreme Overclocking) (Quad Core) Motherboard: ASUS P8P67 Deluxe (Intel P67 Chipset) (New & Improved B3 Revision Without SATA 3G Issue) System Memory: 8GB DDR3 1600MHz Digital Storm Certified Performance Series (Highly Recommended) (Hand Tested) Power Supply: 1000W Corsair (Dual/Triple/Quad SLI Compatible) Expansion Bay: - No Thanks Hard Drive Set 1: Operating System: 1x (120GB Solid State (By: Intel) (Model: 320 Series SSDSA2CW120G3K5) Set 1 Raid Options: - No Thanks Hard Drive Set 2: Multimedia\Data: 1x (1TB Western Digital Caviar (7200 RPM) (64MB Cache) (Model: Black Edition WD1002FAEX) Hard Drive Set 3: Backup\Misc.: - No Thanks Optical Drive 1: DVD-R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 24x / CD-Writer 48x) Optical Drive 2: - No Thanks Internet Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections) Video Card: 1x NVIDIA GeForce GTX 570 1.2GB (Includes PhysX Technology) Add-on Card: - No Thanks Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio Extreme Cooling: AIR: Stage 1: Noctua NH-U12P SE Dual 120mm Fans High Performance Cooler H20 Tube Color:- Not Applicable, I do not have a FrostChill or Sub-Zero LCS Cooling System Selected Chassis Airflow: Standard Factory Chassis Fans Internal Lighting: Internal Chassis Lighting System (Red) Enhancements: - No Thanks Chassis Mods: - No Thanks Noise Reduction: - No Thanks Boost Processor: Stage 1: Overclock the processor between 4.0GHz to 4.5GHz (Cooling Upgrade Recommended) Boost Video Card: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my video card(s) Boost Memory: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my memory Boost OS: - No Thanks, Please do not tweak the services on the operating system Windows OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Professional (64-Bit Edition) Recovery Tools: Windows Recovery Toolkit (Bundled with Windows 7 CD) Virus Protection: - No Thanks Office: - No Thanks Benchmarking: - No Thanks Install/Test Game: FREE: Star Trek Online 10 Day Trial Display: - No Thanks Surge Shield: - No Thanks Speakers: - No Thanks Keyboard: - No Thanks Mouse: - No Thanks External Storage: - No Thanks Exclusive T-Shirt: FREE: Digital Storm T-Shirt - Black (Xtra Large) Priority Build: - No Thanks, Ship Within 5-15 Business Days After Order Is Successfully Processed Warranty: Life-time Expert Customer Care with 3 Year Limited Warranty we can drop the ssd you can always add that later, or if you don't need sli ability then we can lower the price. |
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OriginOfRed
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Posted: 19 Apr 2011 at 5:15pm |
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Question: I noticed you added a stage 1 overclock to between 4.0 and 4.5GHz.
would this affect longevity or reliablility? or require a greater knowledge of PC to maintain? I don't have a full understanding of overclocking. I just know it speeds the processor up and increases the heat generated. Could I get away with the 3.6-3.9 overclock? or none?
I would also probably down grade from windows 7 professional to home premium.
this is starting to take shape.
Thanks.
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DST4ME
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Posted: 19 Apr 2011 at 5:28pm |
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The cpu is the brain of your pc, ocing it is making it work faster, what would happen if we were able to make your brain work much faster then it is now? that is what ocing a cpu does for your pc, it makes it more powerful, cause it can do things much faster.
For other things than gaming, the higher oc makes a good difference, the heat from stage 1 oc on 2600K is minimal and nothing to worry about, specially with the Noctua, the heat you would be worried about comes at much much higher ocs. if you like go with the 3.9GHz oc but no less. its a good idea to change win7 pro to home if you have no use for xp mode or remote connections. you don't worry about your cpu's life till temps go over 85c or vcore is over 1.42. Edited by DST4ME - 19 Apr 2011 at 5:29pm |
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OriginOfRed
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Posted: 21 Apr 2011 at 12:48pm |
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Ah ok, thanks for clearing that up.
Another question in regards to the Dell monitor you suggested. I was just looking at the specs for that monitor and I noticed it has a 8ms response time, is that not terrible for gaming? shouldn't a good gaming monitor have a 2ms response time?
just basing this off things I've read.
Another question I have come across in my websurfing.
Should I hold off and wait for 6-core processors this year? or should I at least plan my mobo around being able to upgrade to a 6-core in the future? I'm trying to minimize my cost when it comes time to upgrade my components. Also quad cores will probably be cheaper once 6-cores are out in full force.
any advice is appreciated.
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OriginOfRed
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Posted: 21 Apr 2011 at 1:22pm |
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Current setup I am thinking about incase others are in the same boat as I.
Cost is $2306
Specifications: Chassis Model: Special Deal Hot Seller - Cooler Master 942 HAF X Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish Trim Accents: - Standard Factory Finish Processor: Intel Core i7 2600K 3.40GHz (Unlocked CPU for Extreme Overclocking) (Quad Core) Motherboard: ASUS P8P67 Deluxe (Intel P67 Chipset) (New & Improved B3 Revision Without SATA 3G Issue) System Memory: 8GB DDR3 1600MHz Digital Storm Certified Performance Series (Highly Recommended) (Hand Tested) Power Supply: 1000W Corsair (Dual/Triple/Quad SLI Compatible) Expansion Bay: - No Thanks Hard Drive Set 1: Operating System: 1x (1TB Western Digital Caviar (7200 RPM) (64MB Cache) (Model: Black Edition WD1002FAEX) Set 1 Raid Options: - No Thanks Hard Drive Set 2: Multimedia\Data: - No Thanks Hard Drive Set 3: Backup\Misc.: - No Thanks Optical Drive 1: DVD-R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 24x / CD-Writer 48x) Optical Drive 2: - No Thanks Internet Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections) Video Card: 1x NVIDIA GeForce GTX 580 1.5GB (Includes PhysX) (Overclocked Edition) Add-on Card: - No Thanks Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio Extreme Cooling: AIR: Stage 1: Noctua NH-U12P SE Dual 120mm Fans High Performance Cooler H20 Tube Color:- Not Applicable, I do not have a FrostChill or Sub-Zero LCS Cooling System Selected Chassis Airflow: Standard Factory Chassis Fans Internal Lighting: Internal Chassis Lighting System (Red) Enhancements: - No Thanks Chassis Mods: - No Thanks Noise Reduction: - No Thanks Boost Processor: Stage 1: Overclock the processor between 4.0GHz to 4.5GHz (Cooling Upgrade Recommended) Boost Video Card: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my video card(s) Boost Memory: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my memory Boost OS: - No Thanks, Please do not tweak the services on the operating system Windows OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium (64-Bit Edition) Recovery Tools: Windows Recovery Toolkit (Bundled with Windows 7 CD) Virus Protection: - No Thanks Office: - No Thanks Benchmarking: - No Thanks Install/Test Game: FREE: Starcraft II (Tryout Edition) with a NVIDIA GeForce GTS 250 or above graphics card Display: - No Thanks Surge Shield: - No Thanks Speakers: - No Thanks Keyboard: - No Thanks Mouse: - No Thanks External Storage: - No Thanks Exclusive T-Shirt: FREE: Digital Storm T-Shirt - Grey (Large) Priority Build: - No Thanks, Ship Within 5-15 Business Days After Order Is Successfully Processed Warranty: Life-time Expert Customer Care with 3 Year Limited Warranty Edited by OriginOfRed - 21 Apr 2011 at 1:25pm |
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DST4ME
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Posted: 22 Apr 2011 at 2:02am |
response time is a BS marketing gimmick, don't pay no attention to it, the same with contrast ratio. At the end of this year the highend SB chips are due out and they are suppose to be 4/6/8 cores, if you have the money, I would wait to see which I can afford, I always want the most power for my money. also the 6 cores will cost more, I'm not sure if the prices of 4 cores will drop like that in the next year or so. Asa for your config, I would go with the 570, the difference between them, at that res, when it counts is only like 2 to 6 fps. Edited by DST4ME - 22 Apr 2011 at 2:05am |
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Posted: 26 Apr 2011 at 12:11pm |
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I think I've decided to wait until September or November to buy my gaming PC. Would you be able to link me to an article or maybe provide me some information about the release of the new Sandy Bridge chips? I'll probably wait for those and hopefully they come out on time in the fall. Gives me time to save some extra money for the new technology.
Also in regards to gaming monitors I trust you know quite a bit about them but I haven't been able to find anything that coincides with your comment about response time being a marketing gimmick, everyone seems to say that you should be trying to get 2ms to avoid ghosting. I've been searching reviews on the Dell you linked me and it looks pretty good, not many complaints and the guy at memoryexpress dot com (local computer store) suggested to me a Samsung Syncmaster BX2431. not sure which monitor is the best from my local computer store. I'm still reading many forums and reviews, there really isnt a definitive answer i think.
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OriginOfRed
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Posted: 26 Apr 2011 at 12:16pm |
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Is this the chip you were talking about?
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Posted: 26 Apr 2011 at 3:57pm |
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Most people don't know what they are talking about OriginRed, that is why we are here to clear up all the BS you get from reviews and people that are not very correct.
response time is BS cause there is no real way of measuring it, the closest you gonna come to measuring it is from white to white, but that number will be very big, and not accurate, as its the closeset to but not the real response time, to fool users, companies use gray to gray (GTG) or black to black (BTB), they use those cause it yeilds a smaller number, than there are different ways of measuring it, to get a smaller number, and you can't compare one with the other cause the different ways of measuring it will yeild different numbers, so what you are left with is a bunch of BS tests that you can't even compare. So in short response time is BS, cause there is no real way of measuring it, and different tests will give different results, so you can't compare one monitor with the other, unless you know what type of tests they used for each. the same goes with contrast ratio, ghosting will have to with your panel, the newer IPS panels like the ones from Dell I recommend, don't have a ghosting issue and have superior picture quality, we have many members that have these new ones, and no ghosting has been reproted, and they all love how much better the picture quality is on them. that Dell I showed you will eat that samsung for snack. first and most important things about a minitor is it's panel, the panel decides the quality of the picture and monitor, the samsung that idiot advised you of is a tn panel and they have much less picture quality, the Dell is an IPS panel and comparing it to the samsung is like comparing a diamond to a rock, Thats how much superior an IPS panel is. Its unfortunate but a lot of people on the net, think they know what they are talking about and give their ill advice to others and waste their money or short them of performance for their money. Don't use tom's for reviews they are not very creditable, and that article is old, but kinda yes, the 6 core and 8 core are gonna be extreme chips while the 4 core is gonna be the high-end. Be careful reading reviews, we don't know the user, so we don't know if any mentioned problems are due to user or hardware. For example I can find you thousands of people that will tell you about their oc experience and how its a bad things and messed up stuff. what they don't know or can't tell you is that there was never anything wrong with oc, what was wrong is what they were doing. Also reviews most times speak of a short time after receiving the product, and not long term reviews, which IMO is more important. On top of that, a person for example that gives you a review on the samsung, did't have an IPS panel to compare it to, otherwise his review would be different. You figure the guy at the computer store should the info I just told you, but go figure, its nothing new tho, and like I said why many of us are here to help clear up this BS you guys get every where, remember what I said about the response time, the samsung you mentioned has a supposed GTG response time of 2ms, but now you know where the BS is. Edited by DST4ME - 26 Apr 2011 at 4:04pm |
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Posted: 27 Apr 2011 at 1:12pm |
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Yeah, that's why it's so hard to make a decision on a monitor by reading information from the internet. People either don't know or their opinion is very biased because they are just happy about their new investment.
I think I will follow your advice and pick up the Dell U2311H once I see it go on sale again. it was $250 the other day.
I plan on going with Dual monitors and also hooking up a PS3 and Xbox360 to them, the only thing that sucks is the lack of HDMI on the U2311H but I can use HDMI to DVI conversions to hook up my PS3 and Xbox I think.
Id like to have the PC hooked up to one monitor and the consoles to the other. I'd still like to be able to use the PC on both monitors though. I hope there is a way to hook all of this up so that I can utilize both monitors in those different ways.
going to the U2410 could be an option but that is a big price increase, I like the 16:10 better too though.
Is input lag BS also? I read the U2311H has better input speed than the u2410
I'm a big FPS fan and I want the best performance I can get out of my monitor, that is why I'm being so thorough in my search.
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Posted: 27 Apr 2011 at 1:52pm |
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Found this
Same panel as the Dell u2311h but better connectivity and maybe better technology integrated with LG's Thru mode for gaming.
Could be BS I guess but what is your opinion on this?
There aren't any official reviews for it that I could find so maybe I will wait until a reputable website reviews it.
Which website gives the most accurate reviews of monitors and other PC related components?
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Posted: 27 Apr 2011 at 11:30pm |
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The viewing angle of that monitor is suspicious, one sign of a good IPS panel is that it has the same Viewing Angle, both vertical and horizontal, and is at or above 170°, this panel for some reason has a viewing angle of a tn panel.
the Dell ones have a 178° vertical / 178° horizontal angle. on top of that I don't like LG, they didn't impress me in plasmas, and in lcds, so I'm not a big fan of LG, I would own the Dell before I did the LG, but thats just me. I also just realized that the Dell u23 has a 3 year warranty and the LG has a 1 year warranty. Its difficult to give you a website that you can follow, cause I don't agree with any of them most times. When it comes to info like that, you got to know whats what or know somebody that does. In this case we were already familiar with u24 and then came long u30 and u23, so we already knew what to expect. Edited by DST4ME - 27 Apr 2011 at 11:32pm |
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