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TechniKal 
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 Topic: 2500 Budget need helpPosted: 29 Mar 2010 at 5:59am |
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Looking to build a 2500 machine, 1920 x 1200 is my native resolution
Want a full size case, possibly an SSD, about 6gig of RAM, EVGA Mobo, Very good PSU, Anything and everything overclocked =P Overclocking the GPU? Does it matter? Does it help? And can it reduce the life of your card? |
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Posted: 29 Mar 2010 at 11:12am |
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This is soley for gaming or what?
If not we might need to change some things around, but this is a good setup:
Ticket 396011 Chassis Model: Special Deal Hot Seller - Cooler Master HAF 932 This is about the best you can do for your budget. An SSD is going to take you over.. way over. You could go for a raptor for hdd1 and a 1tb for hdd2, and still be close to budget, but if you really want the SSD, either increase your budget or just get the 1tb for now like i have it on there and add an SSD later.
You'll have to pay the premium for black ops to overclock the ram, which really isn't necessary. 1600mhz will be really good for this build.
You can change GPU to ATI 5870 if you want to save a little more money, but that's up to you.
The GPU overclock won't shorten the life of the card enough to worry about, no different from CPU. I found the overclock was good, and it's free, so why not? Now it will run hotter (but stable, and nothing excessive), and you're not going to see a difference in some games, especially those that already run at high FPS. So it's your call. I would have selected it on that config but the configurator is glitching and not pulling it up for some reason.
If you have a bunch of software/apps/games that run on XP that you'll want to use you may consider buying win7 pro for the XP mode. I didn't get it as I didn't need it and haven't run into an issue once. Edited by Exsidium - 29 Mar 2010 at 11:40am |
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TechniKal
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Posted: 29 Mar 2010 at 12:25pm |
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Do I really need an SSD? And can I run SLI/Crossfire later on down the road with that video card/PSU?
Will I be able to run new games coming out at my native resolution? This computer is for gaming, yes. |
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Posted: 29 Mar 2010 at 12:35pm |
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No one truly NEEDS an SSD for a gaming rig, it's a luxury. The raptor is an alternative, but it's not a huge gain over the 7200 satas, so not really necessary. You will want 2 hard drives regardless though. Use hdd2 for storage, hdd1 for OS/apps/games. The idea is to have the fast(er) hard drive as HD1 to load everything faster, and storage separate to make recovery easier and keep hd1 from filling up.
No, if you want to CF/SLI you need to change that PSU to 1000w corsair or better.. possibly the 1200w if you plan on a pretty mean overclock on the GPUs, though that's probably debateable, those cards are still so new it's hard to say, haven't seen enough numbers on it.
That said - A single card solution is always the best. You shouldn't have a need to CF/SLI unless you go to higher res.
Yes, at your resolution you will be able to run everything current and upcoming with all bells and whistles running, that is the latest and greatest GPU. Edited by Exsidium - 29 Mar 2010 at 12:40pm |
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Posted: 29 Mar 2010 at 2:17pm |
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I doubt I will upgrade the GPU, I am not very experienced with OC'ing at all or I would have just built my own rig.
I might go with the raptor or possibly change my budget around a little bit. Am I able to get decent FPS in games where I run the resolution higher than my native? How much more gigahertz am I pushing when I OC with DS? I'm hearing you can get the 920 up to 3.6hz with a simple OC/aftermarket fan? If I were to go with CF/SLI , what two cards would you suggest? |
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Posted: 29 Mar 2010 at 3:01pm |
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Curious as to what you meant with saying you won't upgrade the gpu? Talking about OCing it yourself?
Just get the DS free GPU overclock and that will do ya fine.
Cant run higher than native on a monitor, only way to get higher res is to get a new/bigger monitor.
OC varies, just because one person's 920 hit 3.8 air cooled doesn't mean the next one will. Totally luck of the draw.. but a 30-35% increase is fairly normal. I see most people toting 3.5-3.8ghz on the 920, but you'll see some 3.3's and such now and then too.
Unless you are planning on getting a bigger monitor with a 2560x1600 res you won't need to sli. The GTX 480 will actually run pretty well at the 2560 res as well, I really don't recommend going SLI unless you have to. If you do SLI, it has to be identical card (not the case with ATIs CF, but with their setup the performance is based on the lowest performing card in the pair), so it'd have to be another gtx 480. If you're dead set on getting SLI at some point I would recommend upgrading to the 1000w corsair so you have enough juice, getting one gtx 480 for now, then down the road if you decide you do in fact want/need to sli, get another 480, pop it in and you're good.
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Posted: 29 Mar 2010 at 3:53pm |
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this will give you what you want and you can go sli in the future if you want to:
Nvidia system: Here you go Ticket# 396104 --- Price: $2467 (To see this build click here) Price after current promotion $2467 Copy of Specifications: Chassis Model: Special Deal Hot Seller - Cooler Master HAF 932 Exterior Finish: - Not Available Trim Accents: - Not Available Processor: Intel Core i7 920 2.66GHz (Quad Core) Motherboard: EVGA X58 LE Edition SLI (Intel X58 Chipset) (Supports SLI or CrossFire) System Memory: 6GB DDR3 1600MHz Digital Storm Certified Performance Series (Highly Recommended) (Hand Tested) Power Supply: 1000W Corsair (Dual/Triple/Quad SLI Compatible) Expansion Bay: - Not Available Hard Drive Set 1: Operating System: 1x (1TB Seagate/Hitachi/Western Digital (7200 RPM) (32MB Cache) (SATA) (Extreme Speed) Set 1 Raid Options: - Not Available Hard Drive Set 2: Multimedia\Data: - No Thanks Hard Drive Set 3: Backup\Misc.: - No Thanks Optical Drive 1: DVD±R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 22x / CD-Writer 48x) Optical Drive 2: - No Thanks Internet Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections) Video Card: 1x NVIDIA GeForce GTX 480 1.5GB (Includes PhysX Technology) Add-on Card: - No Thanks Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio Extreme Cooling: AIR: Stage 1: Noctua Dual 120mm Fans High Performance Cooler (Compatible With ONLY i7 Processors) H20 Tube Color:- Not Available Chassis Airflow: Standard Factory Chassis Fans Internal Lighting: Internal Chassis Lighting System (Blue) Enhancements: - Not Available Chassis Mods: - Not Available Noise Reduction: - Not Available Boost Processor: FREE: Stage 1: Overclock the processor between 3.3GHz to 3.9GHz (Requires Air Cooling Upgrade) Boost Video Card: - Not Available Boost Memory: - Not Available Boost OS: - Not Available Windows OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Professional (64-Bit Edition) Restore Kit: Digital Storm Specialized Recovery System (DVD Image Based) Virus Protection: - Not Available Office: - Not Available Benchmarking: - Not Available Install/Test Game: - Not Available Display: - No Thanks Surge Shield: - No Thanks Speakers: - No Thanks Keyboard: - No Thanks Mouse: - No Thanks External Storage: - No Thanks Exclusive T-Shirt: - No Thanks Priority Build: - No Thanks, Ship Within 5-15 Business Days After Order Is Successfully Processed Warranty: 3 Year Platinum Care Extended Parts & Labor Warranty --------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------- Ati system: Here you go Ticket# 396105 --- Price: $2323 (To see this build click here) Price after current promotion $2323 Copy of Specifications: Chassis Model: Special Deal Hot Seller - Cooler Master HAF 932 Exterior Finish: - Not Available Trim Accents: - Not Available Processor: Intel Core i7 920 2.66GHz (Quad Core) Motherboard: EVGA X58 LE Edition SLI (Intel X58 Chipset) (Supports SLI or CrossFire) System Memory: 6GB DDR3 1600MHz Digital Storm Certified Performance Series (Highly Recommended) (Hand Tested) Power Supply: 1000W Corsair (Dual/Triple/Quad SLI Compatible) Expansion Bay: - Not Available Hard Drive Set 1: Operating System: 1x (1TB Seagate/Hitachi/Western Digital (7200 RPM) (32MB Cache) (SATA) (Extreme Speed) Set 1 Raid Options: - Not Available Hard Drive Set 2: Multimedia\Data: - No Thanks Hard Drive Set 3: Backup\Misc.: - No Thanks Optical Drive 1: DVD±R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 22x / CD-Writer 48x) Optical Drive 2: - No Thanks Internet Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections) Video Card: 1x ATI Radeon HD 5870 1GB Add-on Card: - No Thanks Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio Extreme Cooling: AIR: Stage 1: Noctua Dual 120mm Fans High Performance Cooler (Compatible With ONLY i7 Processors) H20 Tube Color:- Not Available Chassis Airflow: Standard Factory Chassis Fans Internal Lighting: Internal Chassis Lighting System (Blue) Enhancements: - Not Available Chassis Mods: - Not Available Noise Reduction: - Not Available Boost Processor: FREE: Stage 1: Overclock the processor between 3.3GHz to 3.9GHz (Requires Air Cooling Upgrade) Boost Video Card: - Not Available Boost Memory: - Not Available Boost OS: - Not Available Windows OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Professional (64-Bit Edition) Restore Kit: Digital Storm Specialized Recovery System (DVD Image Based) Virus Protection: - Not Available Office: - Not Available Benchmarking: - Not Available Install/Test Game: - Not Available Display: - No Thanks Surge Shield: - No Thanks Speakers: - No Thanks Keyboard: - No Thanks Mouse: - No Thanks External Storage: - No Thanks Exclusive T-Shirt: - No Thanks Priority Build: - No Thanks, Ship Within 5-15 Business Days After Order Is Successfully Processed Warranty: 3 Year Platinum Care Extended Parts & Labor Warranty in a few month get a ssd and use that as HDD1 and push the 1TB HDD to HDD2, to move the os from 1TB to the ssd, checkout my clone guide: you can follow my clone guide here ssd is very nice to have, much faster read and write speed giving you fast boot times on os and apps and very fast file transfer speeds. both the 480 and 5870 will give you 50 to 60 fps in games at that res but the psu is big enough so that if down the road you need more gpu power you can go cf/sli. |
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Posted: 29 Mar 2010 at 4:09pm |
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No arguements on the benefits of ssd's, definitely worth getting if you have the cash for it. More of a want than a need, but who doesn't want one
If ya have any more questions let us know, and welcome to DS, you definitely made a good choice
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Posted: 29 Mar 2010 at 4:13pm |
Or optionally, if you don't fill up the 1TB HDD a lot then you could just install the SSD, set it as the boot drive, and do a fresh install of Windows 7 on it. From there just temporarily transfer any files you want to save over to the SSD, reformat the 1TB HDD to clear it, and finally transfer your files back to the 1TB HDD that you were temporarily keeping on the SSD. The downside to this method is that you will have to configure Windows 7 to your liking again as well as reinstall all your applications and games. However if you don't have much to reinstall then I think this is a much quicker and easier method. |
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Posted: 29 Mar 2010 at 4:22pm |
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its not a matter of filling up the 1TB, its a matter of ssd is faster so you want that for your os.
also there is no reason to reinstall windows if you can just clone it to the new drive, it will take less time then reinstall no mattter if the 1TB is full or only has 4GB on it. actually the less the 1TB is filled the faster the clone goes. I have like 60GB on my hdd and it takes me 15min to clone it, that means in 15 minutes I have moved everything over and ready to start with the new drive but my os and files are just as they were on the old drive, so I have nothing to install or anything like that, I just pickup where I left off. Edited by DST4ME - 29 Mar 2010 at 4:24pm |
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Posted: 29 Mar 2010 at 5:47pm |
Sure there is. Reinstalling Windows is free, and unless you're familiar with cloning drives then it's a lot easier. |
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Posted: 29 Mar 2010 at 8:10pm |
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ya but the time your spend settings the settings, reinstalling apps, setting their settings and etc, does have a cost.
for the me the whole point of clone is so that I don't have to reinstall. 
you can always download the software from p2p for testing reasons to assure you that it works before you buy. |
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TechniKal
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Posted: 29 Mar 2010 at 10:14pm |
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How does this look? Gonna spend a little more.
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Posted: 30 Mar 2010 at 4:31am |
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not great to be honest, I didn't pick the stuff I did just be in budget.
930 over 920 is pointless, there is nothing to gain, nothing. I hope you didn't pick that 1.5TB because it says extreme speed, cause you will see no speed gain for the 1TB I picked for you, and remember the rule for HDD is: HDD1 = fast drive: os/apps/games HDD2 = regular large drive: media/personal/work file storage Don't fill up your HDD1 more then 50%, if think you will need more room for it then pick a bigger one. In a few month buy a ssd and use that for HDD1 for OS/Games/Apps, and push the 1TB to HDD2 and use it for storage. in short no point in the 1.5TB HDD over the 1TB I picked, take into account how long it takes to defrag, scan, backup and etc a drive that big. why go with a bluray player that can't burn bluray or dvds? asetek is not real liquid cooling and gets beat by Noctua. oc on the gpu is pointless since you are goiing to get over 60 fps in games with the card stock, the oc bring more heat and uses more power, why bother if you are not going to see the gain? and the 480 runs warm as it is. drop the os tweak it will make no difference what so ever in the apps and games. you will see no difference from going with DS ram vs corsair. in psu you want to go with corsair 1000w, so in your config that was a down grade. in short, the only way to get more performance from my config, you would have to take my config and add a ssd as HDD1 and push the 1TB to HDD2, the only other thing would be to get the 980x cpu, other then that you can't get more performance then my builds, just because you spend more money does not mean you will see more performance, the money has to be spent on the right parts. so take my config and add a ssd if you want to spend more. |
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Posted: 30 Mar 2010 at 9:45am |
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Posted: 30 Mar 2010 at 10:19am |
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If I were to get an SSD, which do you recommend?
Also, I just found out DS is in the same city where I live. = P! Also the difference between 920 and 930 is 30 bucks. Still not worth it? Edited by TechniKal - 30 Mar 2010 at 10:26am |
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Posted: 30 Mar 2010 at 12:27pm |
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Intel and corsair are both good, with ssd the bigger the drive the better.
If you live in CA take into account you'll have to pay sales tax into your budget. No, its $30 wasted. The oc result will be the same. |
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Posted: 30 Mar 2010 at 5:35pm |
intel/ocz/corsair are all good ssds. intel is the fastest, corsair and ocz battle it out, I think the ocz vertex is a bit faster then corsair. lol if you read my post I already pointed out that the 930 over 920 is pointless, no difference. let us know if you have more questions  Edited by DST4ME - 30 Mar 2010 at 5:36pm |
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FINAL BUILD
I don't think I'm going to go with SLI down the road. I've also made the decision to get SSD at a later time because right now it will be too much. I got the sound card because I have great THX speakers and I do enjoy watching movies. Will the 750 PSU be enough to handle all the fans and the SSD when I do get it? And the hard drive that I selected is pretty decent correct? Chassis Model: Special Deal Hot Seller - Cooler Master HAF 932 Exterior Finish: - Not Available Trim Accents: - Not Available Processor: Intel Core i7 920 2.66GHz (Quad Core) End of Life upgrade to 930 CPU Motherboard: EVGA X58 LE Edition SLI (Intel X58 Chipset) (Supports SLI or CrossFire) System Memory: 6GB DDR3 1600MHz Digital Storm Certified Performance Series (Highly Recommended) (Hand Tested) Power Supply: 750W Corsair TX (Dual SLI Compatible) Expansion Bay: - Not Available Hard Drive Set 1: Operating System: 1x (1TB Seagate/Hitachi/Western Digital (7200 RPM) (32MB Cache) (SATA) (Extreme Speed) Set 1 Raid Options: - Not Available Hard Drive Set 2: Multimedia\Data: - No Thanks Hard Drive Set 3: Backup\Misc.: - No Thanks Optical Drive 1: DVD±R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 22x / CD-Writer 48x) Optical Drive 2: - No Thanks Internet Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections) Video Card: 1x NVIDIA GeForce GTX 480 1.5GB (Includes PhysX Technology) Add-on Card: - No Thanks Sound Card: Creative Labs X-Fi Fatality Champion (Includes Front I/O) (PCI-Express Slot Based) Extreme Cooling: AIR: Stage 1: Noctua Dual 120mm Fans High Performance Cooler (Compatible With ONLY i7 Processors) H20 Tube Color:- Not Available Chassis Airflow: Standard Factory Chassis Fans Internal Lighting: Internal Chassis Lighting System (Blue) Enhancements: - Not Available Chassis Mods: - Not Available Noise Reduction: - Not Available Boost Processor: FREE: Stage 1: Overclock the processor between 3.3GHz to 3.9GHz (Requires Air Cooling Upgrade) Boost Video Card: - Not Available Boost Memory: - Not Available Boost OS: - Not Available Windows OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Professional (64-Bit Edition) Restore Kit: Digital Storm Specialized Recovery System (DVD Image Based) Virus Protection: - Not Available Office: - Not Available Benchmarking: - Not Available Install/Test Game: FREE: Please include a free copy of a hot-selling game Display: - No Thanks Surge Shield: APC SurgeArrest Personal PER7 (7 Outlet) 120V Surge Protector Speakers: - No Thanks Keyboard: - No Thanks Mouse: - No Thanks External Storage: - No Thanks Exclusive T-Shirt: FREE: Digital Storm T-Shirt - Black (Large) Priority Build: - No Thanks, Ship Within 5-15 Business Days After Order Is Successfully Processed Warranty: 3 Year Platinum Care Extended Parts & Labor Warranty Wanted to thank all you guys for your help. It's much appreciated. |
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Posted: 30 Mar 2010 at 7:36pm |
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Now that's a solid looking build. That HD is fine, yeah, and the psu will be plenty to handle everything. When you do get the SSD remember DST's clone guide, its a good one.
 Glad we could help, preemptive grats on the new system Edited by Exsidium - 30 Mar 2010 at 7:37pm |
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Posted: 30 Mar 2010 at 7:47pm |
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Ya that is a solid build, don't worry about the power draw of ssd and fans, they are very little, biggest things to worry about are gpus, long story short your psu is fine.
its a great idea to wait on teh ssd, you will save money, the only thing wrong with ssds right now IMO is the price. |
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Posted: 30 Mar 2010 at 7:49pm |
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Yea I agree with you. New technology = more money. But technology out dates itself so fast these days, it's worth it to wait.
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Posted: 30 Mar 2010 at 7:56pm |
SSD's are luxuries, yep, if you run a ton of crap at bootup though like me, it would make something of a difference...even the WD VelociRaptor's 10k rpm that I have isn't booting at optimum speed. Remember that an SSD tends to have a slower write rate than conventional HDD's, though they do boast a much much faster read rate. And wait for the SSD, good gracious man! The sandstorm controllers should hit sometime this year, I'm hoping for price drops and even faster SSDs! And I heard something about SATA-600/SATA 3.0 coming out too...bigger speed bandwidth, all the more easier to accelerate speed man. Edited by ablahblah - 30 Mar 2010 at 7:58pm |
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Posted: 30 Mar 2010 at 8:06pm |
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ssd lisetd here have faster read/write/seektime then regular HDDs, its not even close.
but most important speeds of a HDD/ssd are seektime and 4k reads/write, specially read, and ssd blows away a HDD in those areas. |
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TechniKal
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Posted: 30 Mar 2010 at 9:35pm |
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One last question that I just thought of. I live in Nor Cal and I live upstairs, and it gets warm up here. Would H20 cooling help keep my CPU cooler?
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Posted: 30 Mar 2010 at 10:20pm |
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LC offers better temps yes but if the room temp is warm then that is a problem for both air and LC, LC uses radiators, radiators use fans too get rid of heat, is if the room temp is warm both air coolers and fans on rads are blowing warm air, thus keeping temps warm.
room temperature plays a big factor. Edited by DST4ME - 30 Mar 2010 at 10:21pm |
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TechniKal
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Posted: 30 Mar 2010 at 11:35pm |
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What do you suggest?
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Posted: 31 Mar 2010 at 12:48am |
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Sorry I am late to reply, I thought you had already ordered your PC? Here are my thoughts...
920 vs 930, et al: Not everyone wants to overclock. For them, it's very important to have other options available. If you broke down the market price per Ghz on the top five Bloomfield i7s: 975: $299 960: $185 950: $185 930: $105 920: $105 With the following overclocks, your 920 price per Ghz is: 3.3Ghz: ~$80 [Minimum overclock offered on current promo] 3.9Ghz: ~$71 [Maximum free upgrade on current promo] 4.2Ghz: ~$112 [$200 for this upgrade 4.0-4.2] The 975 has a variable multiplier, which is locked on all other Bloomfield CPUs. This is useful to overclockers looking to read maximum GHZ and benchmark scores. Intel is also saying that the chip is the "cream of the crop." You don't get these with any other iteration. Since clock speed is the only thing separating all other versions, you will either want the 920 or the 975. In short, you made the right decision. Soundcard: I am a huge proponent for avoiding integrated sound. The fata1ity products are obviously aimed at gaming, but what are your actual plans for this PC? Don't get me wrong, it is a great card, but comes at a high price...And running $30 cans with it, just won't cut the mustard. Just a thought. Make sure the peripherals match the hardware  Liquid Cooling: Let's get straight to the point here: You have to get the right components and have the right conditions to make a difference. If done right, there will always be an advantage because water is a better conduit for heat exchange. The lower your room temperature, the more pronounced the difference will be. Average room temp under 65-70°F? Might be worth it, but consider also the time you must spend servicing and monitoring the system. There are only a few "sealed" kits available which claim they never have to be serviced [None of which put up numbers that interested me]. All others will eventually get buildup or corrosion which can [and will over time] affect performance. At idle, a good LC setup will usually be quieter as well. Air cooling: Great option. Sticking in the bang-for-the-buck mantra, your best option. Time? Servicing consists of carefully removing dust buildup. Potential to be louder during idle and general use. There are a lot of air coolers available on the market, but the top performing ones all seem to fall between $65 and $90. The Noctua offered here is one of the better options out there. It has the benefit of being one of the quietest top performers as well [under load, all fans can get loud though]. SLI and Crossfire: If you have gotten to this point, and agree with any of what I have said, then go with the single GPU [Bang-for-Buck]. Dual 5850s is double the cost of your CPU, with dual 5870s coming in at nearly triple. 5870 or GTX 470 should be plenty. Go to any reputable site with GPU benchmarks on the game title(s) you want to play. Choose what works best. Hope that helps! 2Cigars Edited by 2Cigars - 31 Mar 2010 at 1:10am |
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DST4ME
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I say go with air cooling, no point in spending money on LC and then having warm temps anyways. @2Cigars, I said his next cpu upgrade would be the 980x not the 975  Edited by DST4ME - 31 Mar 2010 at 12:52am |
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TechniKal
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Makes sense. I haven't ordered yet, I am waiting for a check and then I will. Once I receive said computer, I will keep you guys up to date with pictures etc and how it handles =P
I've been looking at all the components in my spare time to make sure it's what I want. I do like the Noctau fan, and I plan on sticking with that. I might have to get a portable AC for the summer depending if it's going to be a hot one or not. Onto the topic of soundcard. I am an audiophile, I dj electronic dance music so I have a really nice set of headphones. Also my computer speakers are Creative THX 5.1 Any thoughts about when this PC will start to go out of date and not be able to run up and coming games? 3 years? 5 years? |
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with a 480 gtx, I would say you are good for atleast 3 years.
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Sorry DST4ME, I got a little lost there is my rambling.
I agree that 3 years is a solid guess. Lots of people are still running Core2 Duos. Those were released in January 2006, with the more popular Wolfdales [45nm] coming out in summer 2006. Just grabbing a random game benchmark [HERE], you can see that going back over 3 years of GPUs, they can still pull their weight. Edited by 2Cigars - 31 Mar 2010 at 1:35am |
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well he can upgrade the cpu to a 6 core, in 3 years time the prices are gonna be very low specially for the non extreme versions.
so in short I don't think the cpu will be a problem. I was thinking more like the gpu will need a refresh before the cpu does
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Have fun!!
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TechniKal
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Hmm starting to think Fermi isn't worth it and opting with the 5970. Thoughts?
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