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    Posted: 28 May 2010 at 12:33am
Hey, guys.  I'm getting my son a DS gaming computer and don't want to exceed $2k.  He's currently using a 19" monitor at 1280 x 1024 but might upgrade to a 22-23" monitor in the near future.  After looking through quite a few helpful threads here, I've come up with this build.   Did I get everything right?  Thanks in advance for your thoughts.


Ticket number 409966

Chassis Model: Special Deal Hot Seller - HAF 922
Exterior Finish: - Not Available
Trim Accents: - Not Available
Processor: Intel Core i7 930 2.8GHz (Quad Core)
Motherboard: EVGA X58 LE Edition SLI (Intel X58 Chipset) (Supports SLI or CrossFire)
System Memory: 6GB DDR3 1600MHz Digital Storm Certified Performance Series (Highly Recommended) (Hand Tested)
Power Supply: 750W Corsair TX (Dual SLI Compatible)
Expansion Bay: - Not Available
Hard Drive Set 1: Operating System: 1x (1TB Seagate/Hitachi/Western Digital (7200 RPM) (32MB Cache) (SATA) (Extreme Speed)
Set 1 Raid Options: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 2: Multimedia\Data: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 3: Backup\Misc.: - No Thanks
Optical Drive 1: DVD±R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 22x / CD-Writer 48x)
Optical Drive 2: - No Thanks
Internet Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections)
Video Card: 1x ATI Radeon HD 5870 1GB
Add-on Card: - No Thanks
Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio
Extreme Cooling: AIR: Stage 1: Noctua Dual 120mm Fans High Performance Cooler (Compatible With ONLY i7 Processors)
H20 Tube Color:- Not Applicable, I do not have a FrostChill or Sub-Zero LCS Cooling System Selected
Chassis Airflow: Standard Factory Chassis Fans
Internal Lighting: - No Thanks
Enhancements: - Not Available
Chassis Mods: - Not Available
Noise Reduction: - Not Available
Boost Processor: FREE: Stage 1: Overclock the processor between 3.3GHz to 3.9GHz (Cooling Upgrade Recommended)
Boost Video Card: - Not Available
Boost Memory: - Not Available
Boost OS: - Not Available
Windows OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Professional (64-Bit Edition)
Restore Kit: Digital Storm Specialized Recovery System (DVD Image Based)
Virus Protection: - Not Available
Office: - Not Available
Benchmarking: - Not Available
Install/Test Game: - Not Available
Display: - No Thanks
Surge Shield: - No Thanks
Speakers: - No Thanks
Keyboard: - No Thanks
Mouse: Razer DeathAdder Gaming Mouse (High-Speed Gaming Grade)
External Storage: - No Thanks
Exclusive T-Shirt: FREE: Digital Storm T-Shirt - Black (Small)
Priority Build: - No Thanks, Ship Within 5-15 Business Days After Order Is Successfully Processed
Warranty: 3 Year Limited Warranty with Life-Time Customer Support
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Looks good Ermm just wait for DST to come and give his seal of approval xD. 

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  Quote Mr. Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 28 May 2010 at 1:39am
change 930 to 920 their the same, just factory clocked higher, use that money to upgrade to a Noctua D14. Other than that it looks fine. If u want more performance in the future, save up for a SSD and put OS/games/apps onto SSD and the rest onto the second HHD (the 1tb)
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  Quote Raif Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 28 May 2010 at 2:50am
these configs right here will be all you need. you can choose a Nviidia build or ATI. the Nvidia cards have better 3d rendering and tesselantion. they also have physx which will make movements more realistic as well as, fire, explosions, debris,falling objects, ect

this build can go to res 1680 x 1050 which is roughly a 22-23

i kept the mid case in the build... full towers have better airflow and plenty of room to expand. it will be cheaper to upgrade this pc in the future then to buy a new one every few years. if you decide to go full tower choose the HAF 932

Price: $1859
ticket number: 409998
Nvidia build

Chassis Model: Special Deal Hot Seller - HAF 922
Exterior Finish: - Not Available
Trim Accents: - Not Available
Processor: Intel Core i7 920 2.66GHz (Quad Core)
Motherboard: EVGA X58 LE Edition SLI (Intel X58 Chipset) (Supports SLI or CrossFire)
System Memory: 6GB DDR3 1600MHz Digital Storm Certified Performance Series (Highly Recommended) (Hand Tested)
Power Supply: 750W Corsair TX (Dual SLI Compatible)
Expansion Bay: - Not Available
Hard Drive Set 1: Operating System: 1x (1TB Seagate/Hitachi/Western Digital (7200 RPM) (32MB Cache) (SATA) (Extreme Speed)
Set 1 Raid Options: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 2: Multimedia\Data: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 3: Backup\Misc.: - No Thanks
Optical Drive 1: DVD±R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 22x / CD-Writer 48x)
Optical Drive 2: - No Thanks
Internet Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections)
Video Card: 1x NVIDIA GeForce GTX 470 1.2GB (Includes PhysX Technology)
Add-on Card: - No Thanks
Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio
Extreme Cooling: AIR: Stage 2: Noctua NH-D14 Extreme Performance (Does NOT fit on the regular EVGA X58 3X SLI)
H20 Tube Color:- Not Applicable, I do not have a FrostChill or Sub-Zero LCS Cooling System Selected
Chassis Airflow: Standard Factory Chassis Fans
Internal Lighting: - No Thanks
Enhancements: - Not Available
Chassis Mods: - Not Available
Noise Reduction: - Not Available
Boost Processor: FREE: Stage 1: Overclock the processor between 3.3GHz to 3.9GHz (Cooling Upgrade Recommended)
Boost Video Card: - Not Available
Boost Memory: - Not Available
Boost OS: - Not Available
Windows OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Professional (64-Bit Edition)
Restore Kit: Digital Storm Specialized Recovery System (DVD Image Based)
Virus Protection: - Not Available
Office: - Not Available
Benchmarking: - Not Available
Install/Test Game: FREE: Hot-selling game with a NVIDIA GeForce GTS 250 or above graphics card
Display: - No Thanks
Surge Shield: - No Thanks
Speakers: - No Thanks
Keyboard: - No Thanks
Mouse: Razer DeathAdder Gaming Mouse (High-Speed Gaming Grade)
External Storage: - No Thanks
Exclusive T-Shirt: FREE: Digital Storm T-Shirt - Black (Small)
Priority Build: - No Thanks, Ship Within 5-15 Business Days After Order Is Successfully Processed
Warranty: 3 Year Limited Warranty with Life-Time Customer Support

Price: $1819
ATI build
ticket number: 410000
Chassis Model: Special Deal Hot Seller - HAF 922
Exterior Finish: - Not Available
Trim Accents: - Not Available
Processor: Intel Core i7 920 2.66GHz (Quad Core)
Motherboard: EVGA X58 LE Edition SLI (Intel X58 Chipset) (Supports SLI or CrossFire)
System Memory: 6GB DDR3 1600MHz Digital Storm Certified Performance Series (Highly Recommended) (Hand Tested)
Power Supply: 750W Corsair TX (Dual SLI Compatible)
Expansion Bay: - Not Available
Hard Drive Set 1: Operating System: 1x (1TB Seagate/Hitachi/Western Digital (7200 RPM) (32MB Cache) (SATA) (Extreme Speed)
Set 1 Raid Options: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 2: Multimedia\Data: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 3: Backup\Misc.: - No Thanks
Optical Drive 1: DVD±R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 22x / CD-Writer 48x)
Optical Drive 2: - No Thanks
Internet Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections)
Video Card: 1x ATI Radeon HD 5850 1GB
Add-on Card: - No Thanks
Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio
Extreme Cooling: AIR: Stage 2: Noctua NH-D14 Extreme Performance (Does NOT fit on the regular EVGA X58 3X SLI)
H20 Tube Color:- Not Applicable, I do not have a FrostChill or Sub-Zero LCS Cooling System Selected
Chassis Airflow: Standard Factory Chassis Fans
Internal Lighting: - No Thanks
Enhancements: - Not Available
Chassis Mods: - Not Available
Noise Reduction: - Not Available
Boost Processor: FREE: Stage 1: Overclock the processor between 3.3GHz to 3.9GHz (Cooling Upgrade Recommended)
Boost Video Card: - Not Available
Boost Memory: - Not Available
Boost OS: - Not Available
Windows OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Professional (64-Bit Edition)
Restore Kit: Digital Storm Specialized Recovery System (DVD Image Based)
Virus Protection: - Not Available
Office: - Not Available
Benchmarking: - Not Available
Install/Test Game: FREE: Hot-selling game with a NVIDIA GeForce GTS 250 or above graphics card
Display: - No Thanks
Surge Shield: - No Thanks
Speakers: - No Thanks
Keyboard: - No Thanks
Mouse: Razer DeathAdder Gaming Mouse (High-Speed Gaming Grade)
External Storage: - No Thanks
Exclusive T-Shirt: FREE: Digital Storm T-Shirt - Black (Small)
Priority Build: - No Thanks, Ship Within 5-15 Business Days After Order Is Successfully Processed
Warranty: 3 Year Limited Warranty with Life-Time Customer Support



Edited by Raif - 28 May 2010 at 2:51am
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  Quote 2Cigars Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 28 May 2010 at 3:34am
I like the HAF 922 case as it has good airflow for a mid-tower. It also has an industrial styling that is all the rage [I am sure your son would enjoy it]. It goes without mention that it has a good price/performance ratio.

I have been keeping tabs on the EVGA X58 LE Edition SLI since it's release. Good board. 750w Power Supply is all you need for the listed rigs, and the DS supplied brand [chieftec I believe] should be good enough.

You could do an i7 920 or 930 same difference with overclock supplied free by Digital Storm, only $9 difference though.

From a parent's perspective [if 'Junior' is living at home], the 5870 has a much better cost/performance ratio as well as performance/watt than a GTX 480, much lower power draw at idle. IMO if you're going to get a GTX 470, might as well just spring for the 480. With air cooling in a mid case, 480 could be a detrimental.

In terms of cooling, the Noctua D14 is a beast... Look at any site with benchmarks and you will find this to be king over just about every other air solution around. More Info HERE

I do like Build 409966 by knoob. It's a good bit of everything new and high performance, without going overboard. I wish I had your restraint... :D And while I like Build 409998 by Raif and Build 410000 by Raif, I prefer the 5870 card for your particular scenario.

Here is a build I would suggest with the aforementioned changes: Build 410004
Specifications:
Chassis Model: Special Deal Hot Seller - HAF 922
Processor: Intel Core i7 920 2.66GHz (Quad Core)
Motherboard: EVGA X58 LE Edition SLI (Intel X58 Chipset)
System Memory: 6GB DDR3 1600MHz Digital Storm Certified Performance Series
Power Supply: 750W Digital Storm Certified (Dual SLI Compatible) (Silent Edition Recommended)
Hard Drive Set 1: Operating System: 1x (1TB Seagate/Hitachi/Western Digital (7200 RPM) (32MB Cache)
Optical Drive 1: DVDąR/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 22x / CD-Writer 48x)
Internet Access: High Speed Network Port
Video Card: 1x ATI Radeon HD 5870 1GB
Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio
Extreme Cooling: AIR: Stage 2: Noctua NH-D14 Extreme Performance
Boost Processor: FREE: Stage 1: Overclock the processor between 3.3GHz to 3.9GHz
Windows OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Professional (64-Bit Edition)
Restore Kit: Digital Storm Specialized Recovery System (DVD Image Based)
Mouse: Razer DeathAdder Gaming Mouse (High-Speed Gaming Grade)


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  Quote !ender_ Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 28 May 2010 at 9:41am
to reiterate what has been said, certainly do not get the 470, there is little to no reason to go for a 470 over a 480, please see the numbers supporting this
 
the power draw is more but youre talking about maybe a $15-20 difference in your power bill per year, insignificant. but it would be worth your while to speak with dso about getting a little extra help with case cooling if you go for a 480, they can get pretty warm.
 
of course this is completely prefernce but dont pass up getting some case lights if you have to see somethign for several years it might as well be pretty :)
 
i would stick with the 922, its already large and you arent putting anythign more than 1 of each in it, more than enough room for that. this build will serve you quite well and unless you do an evga step up, there will be no reason to open that case
 
again, if you are overclocking and using a 480, cooling is important, look into case cooling and talk to dso about your options to beef up your airflow a little
 
*side notes* if youre looking for somewhere to save a fw bucks, drop to the 920 as stated before and consider dropping the tb for 500 gigs, thats still a ton of space, and thats $40 to spend on performance instead of extra room to put extra stuff Ouch


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  Quote knoob Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 28 May 2010 at 12:00pm
Thanks a lot, everyone.  I'll be back with some follow-up questions in a few hours or more, but I just wanted to post this quick reply now, so people wouldn't think I was ignoring them.  I appreciate the feedback.
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  Quote Raif Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 28 May 2010 at 3:39pm
they don't need a 5870 re 480 for the res monitor they will be using so why waste her money that she will see little to no benefit from
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  Quote !ender_ Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 28 May 2010 at 3:47pm
he didnt say a monitor or resolution.
he said "might upgrade to a 22-23" monitor in the near future"
which you changed into "1680 x 1050"
 
plus. why build a system with an obvious bottleneck when you can avoid needing to overclock and get yourself a longer lasting and more quality card?
framerate x res is the bottleneck with where the market is right now, no reason to short yourself when an extra hundred is all you need
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  Quote Raif Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 28 May 2010 at 3:53pm
there isn't a bottleneck. also a 22-23 in monitor is 1680 x 1050 or 1680 x 1080

the only games that card wont run at the upgraded resolution with max settings and aa/af with 60 fps are GTA4 and CRYSIS

most monitors are 60hz so going over 60fps is pointless and mute since you will not be able to tell the difference, at utter most very insignificantly

there isn't a need to oc the card period. what cave have you been in? the only thinng that makes a 480 noteworthy is the 1.5gb of Vram over 1.2gb you need 1.5gb of vram to max out GTA4, and crysis is just such a beast on gpu power if you want more then mild aa/af you need more hardware.


Edited by Raif - 28 May 2010 at 4:14pm
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 28 May 2010 at 4:20pm
knoob we need to know what resolution you gonna be playing at, you said you were gonna upgrade, but when? and there are 22" monitors with 1600 x 1200 res and also 22" monitors with 1900 x 1200 res, those will each have a different need.

a good config is build around your res so that you don't waste your money and bring extra heat if you don't need it, so let us know when you gonna upgrade and which monitor you have in mind so we can give you a proper build, also tell us if you want to be able to go sli/cf in the future, that will change things also.
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  Quote !ender_ Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 28 May 2010 at 4:33pm
you are again making the assumption that the res you arbitrarily picked is what the customer wants

if you read, i said longer lasting, as in not needing to overclock later to keep smooth frames with the gaming future. the higher res your gpu can handle now, the longer it will last into the future, even if you have to drop the res
 
building a computer isnt binary, you dont find specific settings for specific situations and build a rig around that, you have to look at the market, think ahead, think upgrade or new rig, think new card or crossfire / sli, think about budget now and future/upgrading budget. if you pick the minimum card for your new computer and new res. your system will start to fall behind in less than a year, if that.
lest we forget that most of the games being used to bench right now are not that demanding, which is why crytek can still claim its place as the pc punisher when it comes to benching. but we all know they will continue to come out with more demanding and better looking titles as fast as possible, so better to start at a sprint than trying to keep pace with a jog
 
Originally posted by Raif


most monitors are 60hz so going over 60fps is pointless and mute since you will not be able to tell the difference, at utter most very insignificantly
 
i was actually going to say something back to this, but as much as i love a good debate im not going to spend time talking to someone who hasnt made it far enough in school to learn the difference between *mute* and *moot*
as far as the bottleneck comment, Geek
i cant explain that to you from my cave


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OK, back now.  Here's the thinking guiding the build.  I want to hold the price at $2k tops.  I'm set on a 5870.  (I've read about the heat and power issues of the 480.)  I want my kid to be able to play the more demanding FPSs at max settings with good framerates using both his current 19" monitor and a 22-23" 1920x1080 monitor that I might get for him in the next year or two.  For graphics upgrades in the future, I'd like to have the SLI/Crossfire option, but I'd prefer to go with a better single card (such as a 5970 successor), assuming it's not too expensive.  I figure if I stick to a single card, I'll be all right with a Corsair 750 PSU.

Here are some follow-up questions I have.

Will I be all right with the cheaper Noctua cooler, or do people strongly recommend the Noctua 14?

Is a 1TB hard drive overkill?  Do people think a 500GB drive will be more than enough to hold games, videos, pictures, etc.?

If I put in the notes that I want as quiet a computer as possible given my desired specs and price, what can DS do other than suggest I buy the noise reduction package?

Thanks again, everyone.  I appreciate it.

P.S.  One of the posts referred to me as "she," but I'm a dude.  Shocked

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5970 is not really a single card, its in internal sli and even tho its advertised as a 2GB card, you really get only 1GB out of it cause its in internal sli, all those cards like that are not good ones to get.

to go sli/cf in the future depending on 5870/480 you will need 1000w/1200w psu to be able to do that, 750w will not allow you to go sli/cf and have enough head room.

don't believe everything you read, lately I have seen many people that have the 480 complain that the reviews are not correct and they are not seeing the high temps that the reviews say it has.

the extra power will probably mount to $80 or so a year.

I'm just giving you all the info so you know.

for 1900 x 1200 res and be able to do sli/cf in the future you are looking at something like this:

Here you go Ticket# 410259 --- Price: $2188 (To see this build click here) Price after current promotion $2188

Copy of Specifications:
Chassis Model: Special Deal Hot Seller - Cooler Master HAF 932
Exterior Finish: - Not Available
Trim Accents: - Not Available
Processor: Intel Core i7 920 2.66GHz (Quad Core)
Motherboard: EVGA X58 LE Edition SLI (Intel X58 Chipset) (Supports SLI or CrossFire)
System Memory: 6GB DDR3 1600MHz Digital Storm Certified Performance Series (Highly Recommended) (Hand Tested)
Power Supply: 1000W Corsair (Dual/Triple/Quad SLI Compatible)
Expansion Bay: - Not Available
Hard Drive Set 1: Operating System: 1x (500GB Western Digital (16MB Cache) (7200 RPM) (SATA)
Set 1 Raid Options: - Not Available
Hard Drive Set 2: Multimedia\Data: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 3: Backup\Misc.: - No Thanks
Optical Drive 1: DVD±R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 22x / CD-Writer 48x)
Optical Drive 2: - No Thanks
Internet Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections)
Video Card: 1x ATI Radeon HD 5870 1GB
Add-on Card: - No Thanks
Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio
Extreme Cooling: AIR: Stage 2: Noctua NH-D14 Extreme Performance (Does NOT fit on the regular EVGA X58 3X SLI)
H20 Tube Color:- Not Available
Chassis Airflow: Standard Factory Chassis Fans
Internal Lighting: Internal Chassis Lighting System (Red)
Enhancements: - Not Available
Chassis Mods: - Not Available
Noise Reduction: - Not Available
Boost Processor: FREE: Stage 1: Overclock the processor between 3.3GHz to 3.9GHz (Cooling Upgrade Recommended)
Boost Video Card: - Not Available
Boost Memory: - Not Available
Boost OS: - Not Available
Windows OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Professional (64-Bit Edition)
Restore Kit: Digital Storm Specialized Recovery System (DVD Image Based)
Virus Protection: - Not Available
Office: - Not Available
Benchmarking: - Not Available
Install/Test Game: FREE: Hot-selling game with a NVIDIA GeForce GTS 250 or above graphics card
Display: - No Thanks
Surge Shield: - No Thanks
Speakers: - No Thanks
Keyboard: - No Thanks
Mouse: - No Thanks
External Storage: - No Thanks
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Priority Build: - No Thanks, Ship Within 5-15 Business Days After Order Is Successfully Processed
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the HDD size depends on what you need but good rule for it is this:

HDD1 = fast small drive: os/apps/games

HDD2 = regular large drive: media/personal/work file storage

Don't fill up your HDD1 more then 50%, if think you will need more room for it then pick a bigger one.

an air cooled gpu will not be a quiet pc, as soon the gpus goes underload, its gets hot, its fan will kickin to 100% and that fan is loud as hell at 100%, 90% of the pc noise comes from gpu's fan.

noise reduction package is pointless, trap noise, trap heat.

building a computer isnt binary, you dont find specific settings for specific situations and build a rig around that,


I disagree with that statement 100%, you can't build gaming pc for a power user and you can't build a powerhouse for a gamer. you can't build a pc thats good for cod and games like that, for a person that plays crysis and suck such games and vise versa, you will either build the wrong pc for the job, or waste people's money and give them too much or give them too little. For gamers the config begings with their resolution and what kind of games they play, by knowing that, then you now what is needed to handle the job, so that you don't waste people's money and/or give them not enough power.

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  Quote 2Cigars Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 29 May 2010 at 4:07am
Seems like I need to get out the boxing gloves for some of our experts here :D

My view on the resolution dispute: a 5870 or 480 configuration will run very well on the most common displays used these days [everything that involves numbers underneath 2000 :D].

If you someday decide to go with a 2560 or other high end display, you would be out a pretty penny. Not to mention that if you NEED that type of display, you would likely want to spend some money to calibrate it properly. And if you're putting $1000+ into your display, upgrading your power supply and going crossfire/SLI is a small investment.

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I didn't want to confuse you knoob, so I didn't really go into a ton of information about the 480 vs 5870 [or even worse, 5970 vs 480 vs dual 480, vs dual 5870s]. You said you're set on the 5870 and I am good with that.

Two GPUs [even if they are on the same card, ala 5970 which has 2 5870 chips on one board], never give you a 100% improvement past one card. IE if a 5870 give you 80 frames per second on Call of Duty, two 5870s are not going to give you 160 FPS, neither will a 5970. Even in synthetic benchmarks you will see the same effect.

Lowers your overall price/heat/performance ratio.That's why I don't like it as an option for a new system for your son's gaming. Best option for you in my opinion is a SINGLE GPU solution.

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Hard drives... Well MP3s and online movies are all the rage now. This takes storage. I never use more then 100GBs of storage because I don't store any music on my PC and I buy my movies on BluRay then use Netflix for everything else. Just review your current GB consumption, and choose accordingly.

I will tell you though, adding more storage in the future is the cheapest possible upgrade, and it's REALLY easy to do on your own, so don't sweat this part of the decision.

If all you're deciding on now is the hard drive, it's time to pull the trigger on what you've got picked out. Hug


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Originally posted by DST4ME


building a computer isnt binary, you dont find specific settings for specific situations and build a rig around that,

I disagree with that statement 100%, you can't build gaming pc for a power user and you can't build a powerhouse for a gamer. you can't build a pc thats good for cod and games like that, for a person that plays crysis and suck games and vise versa, you will either build the wrong pc for the job, or waste people's money and give them too much or give them too little. For gamers the config begings with their resolution and what kind of games they play, by knowing that, then you now what is needed to handle the job, so that you don't waste people's money and/or give them not enough power.
 
clearly you know your hardware, so it sucks that we are so far apart on this subject. but honestly i couldnt find what youre saying more wrong. your thoughts on this essentially force someone to use some magic power to both predict what res they want and what "type" of games they want to play over the course of the next 3ish years. its silly.
admittedly, i dont know what you mean by a "suck" game. im assuming either a typo, youre saying crysis sucks... which i dont really see as relevant. but no one has to choose between the two games, you can enjoy both, someone shopping here should feel like they can enjoy and play at a competitive level in almost any game
everyone is branching out a lot more than they used to with more access to different titles, overclocking becoming less specialized, people recording and editing for vlogs, etc etc etc.
if someone were to come to the forums and say they have 2k and all they want to play is crysis at 1280x1024 ever. you are the man for the job. but the fact is very very rarely will a dso customer buy a computer and play 1 or 2 total games on it for the 3-5 years they will have it and never and use it for anything else.
this is why you base a build on budget unless the customer has super specific needs like saving TBs of data weekly or if they just love watching blurays at max everything and staring at super high res photography. the idea is to keep options open so someone isnt stuck being at the bleeding edge in one specific respect instead of competitive in all the games they want to play and the ones that havent even come out yet


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why spend the money on something you don't need now? by the time the years go by it will be time for a new gpu. which will be better then changing from 470- 480/ 5850 - 5870 now. so why spend the extra money when it is not necessary at the time.  as time goes on you will need to tone down aa/af which is not vital... just nice. if they choose a larger resolution then what i have stated then yes they will need more power. but this we do not know until we are told.

also keep in mind games wont evolve at a rapid rate b/c now everything is made for consols as well. so now you need to have games that will play at decent resolutions on a system that is no where near as advanced.

we will not see a major bump in game quality from now till when the new consoles come out. by then it will be trime to upgrade the pc, which will be cheaper then buying a new one.



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Originally posted by !ender_

Originally posted by DST4ME

building a computer isnt binary, you dont find specific settings for specific situations and build a rig around that,
I disagree with that statement 100%, you can't build gaming pc for a power user and you can't build a powerhouse for a gamer. you can't build a pc thats good for cod and games like that, for a person that plays crysis and suck games and vise versa, you will either build the wrong pc for the job, or waste people's money and give them too much or give them too little. For gamers the config begings with their resolution and what kind of games they play, by knowing that, then you now what is needed to handle the job, so that you don't waste people's money and/or give them not enough power.

 

clearly you know your hardware, so it sucks that we are so far apart on this subject. but honestly i couldnt find what youre saying more wrong. your thoughts on this essentially force someone to use some magic power to both predict what res they want and what "type" of games they want to play over the course of the next 3ish years. its silly.

admittedly, i dont know what you mean by a "suck" game. im assuming either a typo, youre saying crysis sucks... which i dont really see as relevant. but no one has to choose between the two games, you can enjoy both, someone shopping here should feel like they can enjoy and play at a competitive level in almost any game

everyone is branching out a lot more than they used to with more access to different titles, overclocking becoming less specialized, people recording and editing for vlogs, etc etc etc.

if someone were to come to the forums and say they have 2k and all they want to play is crysis at 1280x1024 ever. you are the man for the job. but the fact is very very rarely will a dso customer buy a computer and play 1 or 2 total games on it for the 3-5 years they will have it and never and use it for anything else.

this is why you base a build on budget unless the customer has super specific needs like saving TBs of data weekly or if they just love watching blurays at max everything and staring at super high res photography. the idea is to keep options open so someone isnt stuck being at the bleeding edge in one specific respect instead of competitive in all the games they want to play and the ones that havent even come out yet


boss I'm not asking anybody to use any magic power, they know the mointor they have or are looking at buying, and then they can simply looked up the native res of the monitor.

most people know what type of games they play, so for the next yar or two we can pridict what kind of gpu power they need, however if its too low then they can simply add another gpu for more power, instead of spending money on things tehy dont' need now, look at this:

person A spends $800 for 2 x 5870, when all they need is one 5870.

person B spends $400 for 1 x 5870, and that is all they need.

in 3 years new games have come out and have higher demands for example more then 1GB of vram.

person A is sh*t out of luck cause even tho he has 2 gpus they are still using only 1GB of vram.

person B goes to the store spends $400 and gets a brand new gpu that is much more powerful then his 5870 and has 2GB of ram.

both spend the same money over 3 years, but person A has the least amound of performance, while the person B with the new gpu, has teh best performance and since its a new gpu, he is good for a year or two more. So in short person B spent the same money and has better peroformance and has it for longer stretch (5 years vs person A's 3 years)

I never said you don't build a system not based on a budget but before I get to the budget I need to know what it is they need it to do, then I will build a system within the budget and then as mentioned leave room to grow when more power is needed.

Its a typo, its suppose to say "crysis and such games" the H got typed as K

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!ender_ - I see you've been a member since Oct '07, and you've posted enough times to have participated in some really righteous dialogues on these forums, and I respect the H out of that. I have been finding your input refreshing and novel since you decided to join in. Now my 2 cents.
 
There is a context here that you are unaware of unless you've been lurking for at least 3 months. The number of times a purchaser comes to this forum and posts the most outlandish gibberish of a configuration will amaze you if you stick around to see it. "A little knowledge is a dangerous thing" prevails. What DST4ME does is cut through all that crap and deliver a recommendation that hits the sweet spot every time. He's done it so many times for so long, that it often seems glib and doctrinaire. Believe me, it only seems that way because he's trying to make his rounds efficiently.
 
Let me tell you what he did for me. I ain't no pup, and I ain't no noob. I got my first computer in 1982. I've been a gamer since 1985. For primarily financial reasons, I hadn't updated my machine since 2004 when I came looking last October. I kept bouncing builds back and forth among about 5 builders for awhile before I started to read the forums. Then I found this remarkable culture that DS actually thrives within, where the Big Kahuna makes recommendations that cost the company hundreds if not thousands of dollars every day. WTF?? Long story short, I got the best performing (and purtiest) machine I've ever had with no waste, no foolish mistakes, nothing underpowered, and a clear upgrade path ahead if I choose that way. I never submitted my build for anyone's approval, because I designed it based upon dozens of bits of input from DST, justin.kerr, and Dragoonseal, for the most part. I was originally going to gimp my gpu so I could get case fans and a Velociraptor to fit the budget. DST4ME, primarily, saved me from myself on that folly and a few others.
 
He loves to pimp out a build 'cause it's fun, but he always tells people simpler is better. I've seen him take a $8000 pipe dream and give the guy everything he could realistically want for $4800. In the end, it's always up to the guy with the money, but DST is not about no frills computing, he's about no waste computing.
You have to see the folks of a certain "youthful persuasion" who try to reach for everything they think a power gaming computer should be, without having a clue. DST straightens them out in an honest straight talk way, and they get the system they didn't know they wanted, but will be blowing them away a year and a half from now. And their parents have no idea the bullet they dodged.
 
Finally, I watched a thread unfold over a couple of weeks and dozens of posts, mostly a dialogue, in which DST4ME educated someone almost from the ground up in basic computing through advanced gaming with all the patience of a loving parent. I couldn't believe his tolerance for this guy. We didn't find out until the thread had gone on for days that he was tutoring a 14 year old boy. Didn't matter to DST, he just wanted this person whoever he was to know as much as he could teach him.
 
Actually, that's more like my buck-and-a-half, and I apologize for boring everyone to death. I just want it known that DST4ME is not THE MAN around here because he thinks he is, but because we do. He's not 100% right on every issue, but who is? !ender_, welcome back to the forums, we appreciate your input. And DST, I know you love your U2410, but I got a ZR24w, and there's a new sheriff in town.  Evil%20Smile
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 30 May 2010 at 1:41am
Your words honor me and thank you, I don't think I deserve them to be honest, but I thank you very much.

I agree that zr24w is a great monitor but the u2410 has more color depth, other then that I believe they are the same, so because of that mainly and the extra ports I like the Dell, plus I have owned a few of their monitors and they have not let me down so far so I tend to lean toward them because of that.

But both are great monitors and as I said you can't go wrong with either, I know I'm jealous.

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Who is DST4ME?

I think when anyone reaches a 4-star rating, their rating name should be "DST4ME-like," would just fit the forums here perfectly.

I have been a lurker here since 2007. DST is usually the first to post a config, if not, he is always the one to post the final build. Great job.

!ender has great posts too. Cretae, you make me feel like my posts are less like the rambling novels that they are. ROFL


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knoob, what are your thoughts in the face of what has been said? Let us know where you are at with the posted configurations and advice. There is a lot to digest.
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Cretae, Great Post!
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2Cigars @ 1:29 a.m.:

"knoob, what are your thoughts in the face of what has been said? Let us know where you are at with the posted configurations and advice. There is a lot to digest."

Thank you, everyone, for your thoughts and advice.  I keep going back and forth between pinching a few pennies by going with a 750W PSU and 500GB HDD, or giving myself some headroom with a 1000W PSU and a 1TB HDD.  I'm pretty much set on everything else (such as a 5870 graphics card).  Also, do people strongly recommend the Noctua 14 cooler, or will I be all right with the cheaper one offered by DS given the moderate level of my overclocking?

Thanks again!
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I would go with the D14. No question. Don't skimp on the cooling.

Noctua NH-D14 CPU Cooler: One Step Ahead
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Don't sweat the HDD. This is the easiest component in your case to upgrade. Get the cheap one and save yourself the worry.

Here is the only real decision you still need to make: Are you sure you will do a crossfire configuration in the future? If you're leaning to yes, get the 1000w PSU.

Leaning towards no? Then go with the 750.
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2Cigars, thanks for your thoughts on the Noctua and HDD.  Do you (or does anyone else) think SLI or Crossfire will become the standard setup for the more demanding games over the next year or two, or will single-GPU solutions continue to be viable (like the 5870 and 480 are now)?


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psu is pretty important, I would go with a 1000w corsair and Noctua 12 and a 500GB HDD, before I would go with a Noctua 14 and 750w psu and 1TB hdd.

in short, money goes to to psu first, hdd should be last on the list.

so go with 1000w psu, its best to keep options open.

both Noctua will give you great stage 1 oc temps, the 14 will do better but the 12 was what we recommended and our first choice before 14 cameout
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Cretae, You are most welcome.
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Knoob, here's the deal. You just never know what these guys are working on behind the curtain. I consider myself very lucky that I dragged my feet and got in on the DDR5/ DX11 tech that came out with the ATI 5000 series. Turns out they were a very big stepup from the 4000 series of ATI cards. It's true that in many cases you upgrade with a second card later, it's older tech now, so it's cheaper. But I don't like the idea of being on the wrong page when a newer tech is out there. I'd rather stretch my 5870 as far as it will go, and then get the new thing. Keeps it simple, which keeps it more bug-free IMO.
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Well, folks, I did it -- ordered the machine.  Here's the config I chose in the end:

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- Digital Storm Desktop 215053 Quantity: 1 $1,984.00

System Configuration:
Chassis Model: Special Deal Hot Seller - HAF 922
Exterior Finish: - Not Available
Trim Accents: - Not Available
Processor: Intel Core i7 930 2.8GHz (Quad Core)
Motherboard: EVGA X58 LE Edition SLI (Intel X58 Chipset) (Supports SLI or CrossFire)
System Memory: 6GB DDR3 1600MHz Digital Storm Certified Performance Series  (Highly Recommended) (Hand Tested)
Power Supply: 1000W Corsair (Dual/Triple/Quad SLI Compatible)
Expansion Bay: - Not Available
Hard Drive Set 1: Operating System: 1x (500GB Western Digital (16MB Cache) (7200 RPM) (SATA)
Set 1 Raid Options: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 2: Multimedia\Data: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 3: Backup\Misc.: - No Thanks
Optical Drive 1: DVD±R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 22x / CD-Writer 48x)
Optical Drive 2: - No Thanks
Internet Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections)
Video Card(s): 1x ATI Radeon HD 5870 1GB
Add-on Card: - No Thanks
Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio
Extreme Cooling: AIR: Stage 1: Noctua Dual 120mm Fans High Performance Cooler (Compatible With ONLY i7 Processors)
H20 Tube Color: - Not Applicable, I do not have a FrostChill or Sub-Zero LCS Cooling System Selected
Chassis Airflow: Standard Factory Chassis Fans
Internal Lighting: - No Thanks
Enhancements: - Not Available
Chassis Mods: - Not Available
Noise Reduction: - Not Available
CPU Boost: FREE: Stage 1: Overclock the processor between 3.3GHz to 3.9GHz (Cooling Upgrade Recommended)
Graphics Boost: - Not Available
Memory Boost: - Not Available
OS Boost: - Not Available
Windows OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Professional (64-Bit Edition)
Restore Kit: Digital Storm Specialized Recovery System (DVD Image Based)
Virus Protection: - Not Available
Office: - Not Available
Benchmarking: - Not Available
Pre-Install Game: FREE: Hot-selling game with a NVIDIA GeForce GTS 250 or above graphics card
Display: - No Thanks
Surge Shield: - No Thanks
Speakers: - No Thanks
Keyboard: - No Thanks
Mouse: Razer DeathAdder Gaming Mouse (High-Speed Gaming Grade)
External Storage: - No Thanks
Exclusive T-Shirt: FREE: Digital Storm T-Shirt - Black (Medium)
Priority Build: - No Thanks, Ship Within 5-15 Business Days After Order Is Successfully Processed
Warranty: FREE PROMO: 4 Year Limited Warranty with Life-Time Customer Support


Does everything look OK?  I followed DST4ME's advice of allocating more money to the PSU instead of the Noctua 14 and the HDD.  Now I need assurance that a 500GB HDD will be enough for my son's gaming needs!  Ouch
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What a Dad!
 
Oooh, an Adder! I got one of those, and I like it a lot. Your boy's one lucky kid.  Evil%20Smile
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That build is going to rock. If you find he needs more space a 1tb hdd is only about $80 on tiger for a decent one and very easy to install. I have the same case and it would take you only a few minutes and no stress
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How old is your son??
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Great build, Congrats Let the torture begin
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