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    Posted: 12 Mar 2009 at 5:00pm
Hi all.  I'm looking to get a new computer to replace this old dell that I would have to completely gut to upgrade, but I've been out of touch with the hardware side of it all so long I can't seem to get focus on one configration.

For the most part I play WoW and a few not-so-intensive 3d point/click adventure games, but at the moment that's all this pc can handle.   To give those that play WoW a bit of perspective, in Dalaran my FPS drops to 3-5 (so those of you complaining about 35-ish fps are making me jealous).

The room the computer is located in tends to get pretty hot during the summer with no way to relieve the heat other than waiting out nightfall.  The resolution is set to 1440x900.  I need the machine to run as quiet as possible and be upgradable as this has to last 4+ years.

My budget for this mess is set to $2,000 and everytime I reach in to configure what I think will work, I find my budget waving to me in the distance. 


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  Quote issues1975 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 12 Mar 2009 at 5:07pm
I know your pain. I started out with a $1600 budget and I just ordered my system which ended up totalling $2187.
 
Here's a nice buld but it goes over by I think $8. Ouch
 
Ticket Number: 258192
Total Price with Instant Savings/Current Promotion: $2,008.00

Direct Load URL: http://www.digitalstormonline.com/comploadsaved.asp?id=258192

Specifications:
Chassis Model: Cooler Master HAF 932
Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish
Interior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish
Trim Accents: - Standard Factory Finish
Processor: Intel Core i7 920 2.66GHz (Quad Core)
Motherboard: EVGA X58 3X SLI (Intel X58 Chipset) (Supports Triple SLI or CrossFire)
System Memory: CLEARANCE HOT SELLER: 3GB DDR3 1333MHz Corsair XMS3
Power Supply: 1000W Silverstone OP1000-E (Dual/Triple/Quad SLI Compatible) (Silent Edition)
Card Reader: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 1: Operating System: 1x (320GB Western Digital (16MB Cache) (7200 RPM) (SATA)
Set 1 Raid Options: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 2: Multimedia\Data: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 3: Backup\Misc.: - No Thanks
Optical Drive 1: DVD±R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 20x / CD-Writer 48x)
Optical Drive 2: - No Thanks
Internet Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections)
Video Card: 1x NVIDIA GeForce GTX 260 896MB (216 Cores) (Includes PhysX Technology)
Add-on Card: - No Thanks
Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio
Extreme Cooling: AIR: Stage 1: Cooler Master GeminII S (Compatible With i7 Processors)
Liquid Color:- Not Applicable, I do not have a H20: Stage 3 Cooling System Selected
Chassis Airflow: Standard Factory Chassis Fans
Internal Lighting: Internal Chassis Lighting System (Blue)
Enhancements: - No Thanks
Chassis Mods: - No Thanks
Boost Processor: Yes, Overclock the processor as much as possible with complete stability
Boost Video Card: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my video card(s)
Boost Memory: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my memory
Tweak Windows: - No Thanks, Please do not tweak the services on the operating system
Windows OS: Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium (64-Bit Edition) (For Enthusiasts)
Restore Kit: Digital Storm Specialized Recovery System (DVD Image Based)
Virus Protection: - No Thanks
Office: - No Thanks
Benchmarking: - No Thanks
Install/Test Game: - No Thanks
LCD Display: - No Thanks
Surge Shield: - No Thanks
Speakers: - No Thanks
Keyboard: - No Thanks
Mouse: - No Thanks
External Storage: - No Thanks
Exclusive T-Shirt: - No Thanks
Priority Build: - No Thanks, Ship Within 5-10 Business Days After Order Is Successfully Processed
Warranty: 3 Year Platinum Care Extended Parts & Labor Warranty
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 12 Mar 2009 at 5:36pm
good build I would have configured pretty much the same thing
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  Quote Sodius Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 12 Mar 2009 at 5:57pm
If heat is an issue in the summer wouldn't the V8 be a better choice? Just curious as he has an OC'd cpu.


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  Quote Sodius Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 12 Mar 2009 at 6:04pm
This unit is 1904.00 after you click buy now.
 
 
Ticket Number: 258248
 
Chassis Model: Cooler Master HAF 932
Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish
Interior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish
Trim Accents: - Standard Factory Finish
Processor: Intel Core i7 920 2.66GHz (Quad Core)
Motherboard: EVGA X58 3X SLI (Intel X58 Chipset) (Supports Triple SLI or CrossFire)
System Memory: 3GB DDR3 1333MHz Corsair Dominator DHX (High-Performance)
Power Supply: 750W Corsair TX (Dual SLI Compatible)
Card Reader: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 1: Operating System: 1x (320GB Western Digital (16MB Cache) (7200 RPM) (SATA)
Set 1 Raid Options: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 2: Multimedia\Data: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 3: Backup\Misc.: - No Thanks
Optical Drive 1: DVD±R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 20x / CD-Writer 48x)
Optical Drive 2: - No Thanks
Internet Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections)
Video Card: 1x NVIDIA GeForce GTX 260 896MB (216 Cores) (Includes PhysX Technology)
Add-on Card: - No Thanks
Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio
Extreme Cooling: AIR: Stage 2: Cooler Master V8 (Compatible With i7 Processors)
Liquid Color:- Not Applicable, I do not have a H20: Stage 3 Cooling System Selected
Chassis Airflow: Standard Factory Chassis Fans
Internal Lighting: Internal Chassis Lighting System (Blue)
Enhancements: - No Thanks
Chassis Mods: - No Thanks
Boost Processor: Yes, Overclock the processor as much as possible with complete stability
Boost Video Card: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my video card(s)
Boost Memory: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my memory
Tweak Windows: - No Thanks, Please do not tweak the services on the operating system
Windows OS: Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium (64-Bit Edition) (For Enthusiasts)
Restore Kit: Digital Storm Specialized Recovery System (DVD Image Based)
Virus Protection: - No Thanks
Office: - No Thanks
Benchmarking: - No Thanks
Install/Test Game: - No Thanks
LCD Display: - No Thanks
Surge Shield: - No Thanks
Speakers: - No Thanks
Keyboard: - No Thanks
Mouse: - No Thanks
External Storage: - No Thanks
Exclusive T-Shirt: - No Thanks
Priority Build: - No Thanks, Ship Within 5-10 Business Days After Order Is Successfully Processed
Warranty: 3 Year Platinum Care Extended Parts & Labor Warranty

 

You can upgrade PSU and memory and better video card as money permits. Ermm


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  Quote Sodius Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 12 Mar 2009 at 6:11pm
As always, your choice. Hug
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 12 Mar 2009 at 6:13pm
its better to have the 1000w PSU then the v8, the GeminII has done 3.8GHz on air, with a 750w the future GPU upgrades might not be covered.

but its something to think about for the OP. Sodius's build is a good one also.

if you don't think you will ever go go pass 2 x 260+ for GPU then go with sodius's build.

if you see yourself upgrading to future GPUs then stick with the 1000w PSU.

IMO the best build would be to have both v8 and 1000w PSU, if you can go for that, then I'm sure all 3 of us highly recommend that.
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  Quote Sodius Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 12 Mar 2009 at 6:21pm
I agree DST4ME, price would be 2026.00 with the 1000 corsair psu added to the above.
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  Quote victimeiced Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 12 Mar 2009 at 7:15pm
check out my post in the review section, and also mine in the config section.. you are starting out in the exact same boat i was (3fps in dal heh).  
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  Quote Sodius Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 12 Mar 2009 at 7:36pm
I feel we kept really really close to his 2k budget. The 1904.00 don't worry about the PSU at this time or 2026.00 with the PSU upgraded. Ermm
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  Quote Vanished Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 12 Mar 2009 at 10:36pm
I may have to adjust my budget a bit then.   The power supply was the issue that started the whole "if you give a mouse a cookie" effect.  The cooling however is a huge concern for me and one of the reasons I kept going over budget fidling with the configuration.  I kept feeling that liquid cooling was a must for when the room turns into a sauna during the summer.   Is air cooling enough to keep things from frying or do you all think it would be wise to save up a bit more for a heavier cooling solution?
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Ticket Number: 258361
$2034 after discount

Copy of Specifications:
Chassis Model: Cooler Master HAF 932
Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish
Interior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish
Trim Accents: - Standard Factory Finish
Processor: Intel Core i7 920 2.66GHz (Quad Core)
Motherboard: EVGA X58 3X SLI (Intel X58 Chipset) (Supports Triple SLI or CrossFire)
System Memory: CLEARANCE HOT SELLER: 3GB DDR3 1333MHz Corsair XMS3
Power Supply: 1000W Corsair HX (Dual/Triple/Quad SLI Compatible) (Silent Edition)
Card Reader: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 1: Operating System: 1x (320GB Western Digital (16MB Cache) (7200 RPM) (SATA)
Set 1 Raid Options: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 2: Multimedia\Data: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 3: Backup\Misc.: - No Thanks
Optical Drive 1: DVD-ROM/CD-ROM (DVD Reader 16x / CD Reader 40x)
Optical Drive 2: - No Thanks
Internet Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections)
Video Card: 1x NVIDIA GeForce GTX 260 896MB (216 Cores) (Includes PhysX Technology)
Add-on Card: - No Thanks
Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio
Extreme Cooling: H20: Stage 1: Coolit Domino Liquid CPU Cooler
Liquid Color:Blue: Non-conductive High-Performance Fluid (Requires H20: Stage 3 Cooling Package)
Chassis Airflow: Standard Factory Chassis Fans
Internal Lighting: Internal Chassis Lighting System (Blue)
Enhancements: - No Thanks
Chassis Mods: - No Thanks
Boost Processor: Yes, Overclock the processor as much as possible with complete stability
Boost Video Card: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my video card(s)
Boost Memory: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my memory
Tweak Windows: - No Thanks, Please do not tweak the services on the operating system
Windows OS: Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium (64-Bit Edition) (For Enthusiasts)
Restore Kit: Digital Storm Specialized Recovery System (DVD Image Based)
Virus Protection: - No Thanks
Office: - No Thanks
Benchmarking: - No Thanks
Install/Test Game: - No Thanks
LCD Display: - No Thanks
Surge Shield: - No Thanks
Speakers: - No Thanks
Keyboard: - No Thanks
Mouse: - No Thanks
External Storage: - No Thanks
Exclusive T-Shirt: - No Thanks
Priority Build: - No Thanks, Ship Within 5-10 Business Days After Order Is Successfully Processed
Warranty: 3 Year Platinum Care Extended Parts & Labor Warranty

I noticed all the other tickets were set up with air cooled.  Here is a liquid cooled option.  For $30 more, you could go with the H2O: Stage2: Cool-IT Eliminator (Thermoelectric) CPU Cooler.
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  Quote pwcorgi Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 12 Mar 2009 at 11:29pm
Is a liquid cooled pc rather technical to maintain?
I live in GA in an old house, and was wondering If I need to go that route?
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 13 Mar 2009 at 12:03am
well IMO if you gonna go LC go frostbite or just go v8.

its very simple to maintain
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I like my V8 but I think the LC will provide better cooling and the best opportunity to get a better overclock for a given chip.
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  Quote Sodius Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 13 Mar 2009 at 9:38am
I would say if you computer location gets as hot as I am thinking then I would go with no less then the V8 but LC might be the better option. Maintaining LC is a piece of cake and your heat issue is a thing of the past. Before we installed central air this room with 5 machines running nearly 24/7 and 5 people here got really unbearable in the summer. Our old gateways handle the heat fairly well with very little to no hassles. So I am thinking the V8 should be just fine but you know the heat situation better than I. Remember buy a peace of mind. Cool

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  Quote Vanished Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 19 Mar 2009 at 6:28am
Well I guess I'll have to save the liquid cooling solution for the next big computer down the line.  That sounds like something you should go all in on if you're going with it at all.   I've done some adjusting and I think this is what I'm going for, but I'd like to get opinions:
http://www.digitalstormonline.com/comploadsaved.asp?id=260094
Chassis Model: Cooler Master HAF 932
Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish
Interior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish
Trim Accents: - Standard Factory Finish
Processor: Intel Core i7 920 2.66GHz (Quad Core)
Motherboard: EVGA X58 3X SLI (Intel X58 Chipset) (Supports Triple SLI or CrossFire)
System Memory: 6GB DDR3 1333MHz Corsair Dominator DHX (High-Performance)
Power Supply: 750W Corsair TX (Dual SLI Compatible)
Card Reader: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 1: Operating System: 1x (500GB Western Digital (16MB Cache) (7200 RPM) (SATA)
Set 1 Raid Options: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 2: Multimedia\Data: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 3: Backup\Misc.: - No Thanks
Optical Drive 1: DVD±R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 20x / CD-Writer 48x)
Optical Drive 2: - No Thanks
Internet Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections)
Video Card: CLEARANCE HOT SELLER: 1x NVIDIA GeForce GTX 280 1GB (Includes PhysX Technology)
Add-on Card: - No Thanks
Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio
Extreme Cooling: AIR: Stage 2: Cooler Master V8 (Compatible With i7 Processors)
Liquid Color:- Not Applicable, I do not have a H20: Stage 3 Cooling System Selected
Chassis Airflow: Standard Factory Chassis Fans
Internal Lighting: Internal Chassis Lighting System (Blue)
Enhancements: - No Thanks
Chassis Mods: - No Thanks
Boost Processor: Yes, Overclock the processor as much as possible with complete stability
Boost Video Card: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my video card(s)
Boost Memory: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my memory
Tweak Windows: - No Thanks, Please do not tweak the services on the operating system
Windows OS: Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium (64-Bit Edition) (For Enthusiasts)
Restore Kit: Digital Storm Specialized Recovery System (DVD Image Based)
Virus Protection: - No Thanks
Office: - No Thanks
Benchmarking: - No Thanks
Install/Test Game: - No Thanks
LCD Display: - No Thanks
Surge Shield: - No Thanks
Speakers: - No Thanks
Keyboard: - No Thanks
Mouse: - No Thanks
External Storage: - No Thanks
Exclusive T-Shirt: - No Thanks
Priority Build: - No Thanks, Ship Within 5-10 Business Days After Order Is Successfully Processed
Warranty: 3 Year Platinum Care Extended Parts & Labor Warranty


I opted to go for the 750w power supply instead, went with 6gb of ram and decided to go with the 280 vs the 260.   Is there a big difference between the 280 and the 285 in terms of performance?


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My money wouldn't get one above the 280 unless it was the 295. Here a comparison chart for you.
 
 
GPU GeForce GTX 285 GeForce GTX 280 GeForce GTX 260 (Original) GeForce GTX 260 (revised 216 shader)
Manufacturing Process 55-nm 65-nm 65-nm 65-nm
Core Graphics Clock Speed 648MHz 602MHz 576MHz 576MHz
Stream Processor Clock 1,476MHz 1,296MHz 1,242MHz 1,242MHz
# of Stream Processors 240 240 192 216
Memory Clock Speed 1,242MHz (2,484MHz effective) 1,107MHz (2,214MHz effective) 999MHz (1,998MHz effective) 999MHz (1,998MHz effective)
Memory Interface 512-bit 512-bit 448-bit 448-bit
Memory Bandwidth 159GB/sec 141.7GB/sec 111.9GB/sec 111.9GB/sec
Memory Size 1GB 1GB 896MB 896MB
ROPs 32 32 28 28
Texture Filtering Units 80 80 64 72
Texture Filtering Rate 51.8Gigatexels/sec 48.2Gigatexels/sec 36.9Gigatexels/sec 41.5Gigatexels/sec
Display Connectors 2xDual-link DVI
1xHDTV-out
2xDual-link DVI
1xHDTV-out
2xDual-link DVI
1xHDTV-out
2xDual-link DVI
1xHDTV-out
Power Connectors 2x6-pin 1x8-pin/1x6-pin 2x6-pin 2x6-pin
Max Board Power 183 Watts 236 Watts 182 Watts 182 Watts
HDMI Yes, Via Adaptor Yes, Via Adaptor Yes, Via Adaptor Yes, Via Adaptor
Audio Input for HDMI SPDIF passthrough SPDIF passthrough SPDIF passthrough SPDIF passthrough
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  Quote Sodius Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 19 Mar 2009 at 9:12am
"As you can see, the GeForce GTX 285 runs 7% faster than the GeForce GTX 280 it replaces, while its stream processors and memory are clocked 11% and 12% higher than the GTX 280 respectively. This basically puts it on par with many of the factory overclocked GeForce GTX 280 boards that are out there in terms of performance, and also helps to establish a little bit of separation from many of the 216-shader GeForce GTX 260 cards that are OC'ed. " Cool
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 19 Mar 2009 at 10:33am
I don't think the 280 is worth the extra cost to be honest with you, specially in your resolution.

look at left 4 dead with 260,280,285 and 295 all in in 1680 x 1050:




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so now you are at 1440x900 so the above I want you to look at 1600 x 1050

260 fps: 75

280 fps: 88

285 fps: 94

295 fps: 137



now keep in mind that once you are over 60fps higher fps won't make much of a difference in game playing, since 60fps is what is needed to have a smooth play.

at your resolution of 1440 x 900, an oced 260+ will give you all the performance you need, I don't' think that over $100 is worth it for the 280 GTX at your resolution.

also its a bad idea to drop the 1000w PSU and go with a higher GPU. GPU takes 2 seconds to upgrade/change, the PSU is not as easy to upgrade, also the 1000w opens up future upgrading.

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here you go Ticket# 261022 --- Price: $2378 (To see this build click here) Price after current promotion $2228

Copy of Specifications:
Chassis Model: Cooler Master HAF 932
Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish
Interior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish
Trim Accents: - Standard Factory Finish
Processor: Intel Core i7 920 2.66GHz (Quad Core)
Motherboard: EVGA X58 3X SLI (Intel X58 Chipset) (Supports Triple SLI or CrossFire)
System Memory: 6GB DDR3 1333MHz Mushkin (Highly Recommended) (Digital Storm Certified)
Power Supply: 1000W Corsair HX (Dual/Triple/Quad SLI Compatible)
Card Reader: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 1: Operating System: 1x (500GB Western Digital (16MB Cache) (7200 RPM) (SATA)
Set 1 Raid Options: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 2: Multimedia\Data: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 3: Backup\Misc.: - No Thanks
Optical Drive 1: DVD±R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 20x / CD-Writer 48x)
Optical Drive 2: - No Thanks
Internet Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections)
Video Card: 1x NVIDIA GeForce GTX 260 896MB (216 Cores) (Includes PhysX Technology)
Add-on Card: - No Thanks
Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio
Extreme Cooling: AIR: Stage 2: Cooler Master V8 (Compatible With i7 Processors)
Liquid Color:- Not Applicable, I do not have a H20: Stage 3 Cooling System Selected
Chassis Airflow: Standard Factory Chassis Fans
Internal Lighting: Internal Chassis Lighting System (Blue)
Enhancements: - No Thanks
Chassis Mods: - No Thanks
Boost Processor: Yes, Overclock the processor as much as possible with complete stability
Boost Video Card: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my video card(s)
Boost Memory: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my memory
Tweak Windows: - No Thanks, Please do not tweak the services on the operating system
Windows OS: Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium (64-Bit Edition) (For Enthusiasts)
Restore Kit: Digital Storm Specialized Recovery System (DVD Image Based)
Virus Protection: - No Thanks
Office: - No Thanks
Benchmarking: - No Thanks
Install/Test Game: - No Thanks
LCD Display: - No Thanks
Surge Shield: - No Thanks
Speakers: - No Thanks
Keyboard: - No Thanks
Mouse: - No Thanks
External Storage: - No Thanks
Exclusive T-Shirt: - No Thanks
Priority Build: - No Thanks, Ship Within 5-10 Business Days After Order Is Successfully Processed
Warranty: 3 Year Platinum Care Extended Parts & Labor Warranty

price of above system with a 280 gtx: $2583 (To see this build click here) Price after current promotion $2408

as you can see the 260 system cost $2228 and the 280 system cost $2408, the price difference is not worth the performance gain to you.

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  Quote Vanished Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 19 Mar 2009 at 5:27pm
I was thinking the 280 for now with another added in later, figuring a monitor upgrade would cause me to increase resolutions in the future.   The power supply downgrade was more of a reality to the house it's going into.  As much as I'd like to have that much power available in the future, the "now" simply won't let something that juiced up run along with everything else sharing the power.   Would 2x the 260 work well for a higher resolution if I added another video card in the future?
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 19 Mar 2009 at 6:03pm
yes the 2 x 260 will run you high res for you
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Adding another 260 in the future would be cost effective in case you ever upgrade your monitor to a higher resolution.
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