2nd attempt at a build

Budget:
$2500 ish

Expectation:
Ability to upgrade and use PCIe 3 when needed. I could stick it out until the end of the year if i needed to but it is killing me to not have a computer.

Usage:
Just gaming and internet usage. Mainly MMO and FPS. I want an immersive experience since I was using a 5 year old comp before it blew up two months ago. I will be buying a new Samsung 19 inch monitor once the comp gets here im thinking 1920x1080 res. I am going to SLI two 580's but only need one right now because I want the next one to be PCIe 3 format.

Special Needs:
None really....like i said i want a comp i can buy upgraded parts for and install as my budget allows. Reading on the Asus website it states the board i have chosen can be updated not sure if its true but im sure DST4ME will set me straight.

Saved Ticket #: 603881

Specifications:
If I have any flaws please dont hesitate to tear this build up. I only have a cell phone to do my research on right now :(

It goes from 3gbs to 1.5?? Not really sure bit thats my best guess.

Let me help, the difference between a sata 3 hdd on sata 3 port vs sata 2 port is nothing.

why?

because the speeds of hdd are not fast enough to max out sata 2, so the fact that its sata 3 compatible means nothing.

I'm telling you this because you are pretty much dealing with the same thing when it comes to pcie 3.0.

right now a 580 does not max out a pcie 2.0 lane, so having pcie 3 is not gonna mean much till something comes out that actually will use it, in this case it would be a gpu, and I'm sure next year's gpus will be pcie 3, I don't see the gpus needing that much bandwidth any year soon, I think in around 3 years gpus will max out pcie 2, by that time its time for a new mobo and etc anyways.

so now my question to you is, do you really need pcie 3 support?

Just making sure, sometimes people have something in mind that does actually use it, in case of sata 3, with some of today's ssds you do need sata 3.

pcie tho is gonna be new and 2.0 is already plenty for gpus, plus with sli 570 ( yes not 580, we get to that later if you like) you are going to be doing great with games for the next 2 years, long story short you are not going to need pcie 3 for about 2 or 3 years to begin with, and who knows if gpus will need that much bandwidth then even.

so we can change the mobo and some other stuff, now the reason I'm going to use only stuff that gives us performance we will see is because I like to save the rest and put it towards a better monitor, what was your budget for the monitor originally before you spoke to me?

here is what you should go with:

Here you go Ticket# 603905 --- $2,419 (To see this build click here)

Copy of Specifications:
Chassis Model: Special Deal Hot Seller - Cooler Master 942 HAF X
Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish
Trim Accents: - Standard Factory Finish
Processor: Intel Core i7 2600K 3.40GHz (Unlocked CPU for Extreme Overclocking) (Quad Core)
Motherboard: ASUS P8P67 Deluxe (Intel P67 Chipset) (New & Improved B3 Revision Without SATA 3G Issue)
System Memory: 8GB DDR3 1600MHz Digital Storm Certified Performance Series (Highly Recommended) (Hand Tested)
Power Supply: 1050W Corsair Pro Silver 1050HX (Dual/Triple/Quad SLI Compatible)
Expansion Bay: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 1: Operating System: 1x (120GB Solid State (By: Intel) (Model: 320 Series)
Set 1 Raid Options: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 2: Multimedia\Data: 1x (1TB Western Digital Caviar (7200 RPM) (64MB Cache) (Model: Black Edition)
Hard Drive Set 3: Backup\Misc.: - No Thanks
Optical Drive 1: DVD-R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 24x / CD-Writer 48x)
Optical Drive 2: - No Thanks
Internet Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections)
Video Card: 1x NVIDIA GeForce GTX 570 1.2GB (Includes PhysX Technology) (EVGA Edition)
Add-on Card: - No Thanks
Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio
Extreme Cooling: AIR: Stage 2: Corsair A70 Dual 120mm Fans High Performance Cooler
H20 Tube Color:- Not Applicable, I do not have a FrostChill or Sub-Zero LCS Cooling System Selected
Chassis Airflow: Standard Factory Chassis Fans
Internal Lighting: Internal Chassis Lighting System (Blue)
Enhancements: - No Thanks
Chassis Mods: - No Thanks
Noise Reduction: - No Thanks
LaserMark: - No Thanks
Boost Processor: Stage 2: Overclock CPU 4.5GHz to 4.8GHz (Requires Pro or Deluxe Series Motherboard)
Boost Video Card: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my video card(s)
Boost Memory: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my memory
Boost OS: FREE: Yes, Disable and tweak all of the non-crucial services on the operating system
Windows OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium (64-Bit Edition)
Recovery Tools: Windows Recovery Toolkit (Bundled with Windows 7 CD)
Virus Protection: - No Thanks
Office: - No Thanks
Install/Test Game: - No Thanks
Display: - No Thanks
Surge Shield: - No Thanks
Speakers: - No Thanks
Keyboard: - No Thanks
Mouse: - No Thanks
External Storage: - No Thanks
Exclusive T-Shirt: - No Thanks
Priority Build: - No Thanks, Ship Within 5-15 Business Days After Order Is Successfully Processed
Warranty: Life-time Expert Customer Care with 3 Year Limited Warranty

my config has better airflow more room, cpu-wise I have more power, gpu-wise I match your power, I do all of that with savings of over $100 that can go towards a better/bigger ips monitor.


you can get the same performance from ode 3 but then in the future if you want to upgrade the sli to future cards and they have needs of a 580 sli the 800w can't do it.

Edited by DST4ME - 08 Oct 2011 at 10:26pm

1. the case is popular for its performance, money is better spent on monitor. 650d does not have the airflow of haf x and in sli you gonna want it.

2. ram is the same won't matter, its cheap and easy to change worst case scenario. keep it DS, trust me if it mattered I would have chosen corsair, as you see for psu I chose corsair cause that does matter.

3. mobo has nothing to do with ssd size, the 120GB should be enough to keep os/apps/games.

4. only reason you would need 2.5GB version of 570 is if you getting a monitor with higher res than 1900 x 1200.

5. I chose the oc cause its safe, the 2600k is unlike older cpus, it can do things older cpus can't do.

just ask DS to give you a vcore lower then 1.4.

you never told me your original budget for the monitor.

We are not using caching feature at all, with a good size ssd you don't need it, the ssd will give you all the speed you need.

vcore is the voltage for the cpu, when ocing you adjust this to higher so that the oc stays stable, however lot of times if you play with it, you can get a high oc and low vcore, for example there are many people here that have a oc of 4.6GHz with vcore under 1.4.

I'm hoping your monitor can be bigger then 19", here is some info for you:

1. response time is a bs number, its there to fool you and does not represent the true response time of the monitor, there is no real way of truly finding what response time is, the closest to it is white to white but you don't see that, you see grey to grey or black to black cause they give small numbers to fool users but they don't mean anything, there are different methods to get these numbers also, and each will give a different number as results, therefore you can even compare one to the other, cause we don't know what method was used for which, and even if we did, still GTG or BTB don't mean anything.

2. contrast ratio is also bs number.

Most important thing about a monitor is its panel, right now there are 2 major ones, TN and IPS, IPS has superior picture quality/clarity.


here are some ips panels:

Dell UltraSharp u2312

Dell UltraSharp U2410M

now only buy those when they go on sale, or when you find a good coupe, cause you can get the 2312 for $270.

I have been playing on a 17 inch for the past 6 years so that is why I thought 19 would be a nice upgrade.

I was looking at the monitors you linked amd they are really nice. I'll see if i can find one on sale and snatch it up.

Originally posted by DST4ME pcie tho is gonna be new and 2.0 is already plenty for gpus, plus with sli 570 ( yes not 580, we get to that later if you like) you are going to be doing great with games for the next 2 years, long story short you are not going to need pcie 3 for about 2 or 3 years to begin with, and who knows if gpus will need that much bandwidth then even.

I don't want to jack this thread, but do you mind elaborating more about this.  I'm aware that there are different PCI slots on the motherboard.  Could you explain the difference between the different PCI slots?

Also it seems like you really favor the 570 over the 580 -- even in SLI.  As someone who is looking to buy a computer soon, would explain why you prefer the 570 over the 580?




Edited by Brewtus - 09 Oct 2011 at 2:50pm

DST4ME you are awesome, I feel like i need to give you some free investment advise for payback lol.

Check this monitor out on newegg and let me know if you think it is solid. If you think the dell is the way to go ill be purchasing it today.

http://www.Newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=24-236-122

It is the ASUS ML239H 23" IPS

Fair enough....the Dell it is.

One last item to address. I can not spend money on that HAF case. I dont care if it is the best cooling case ever created. So here are 3 options listed I think I can live with.

Silverstone Raven 3
Cooler Master HAF 932 Advanced Edition Black
Corsair 650D

I will also check the cases available in the other section to see if there is one I like.

you don't want the hailstorm for an air cooled system. assassin does not have as much room and airflow as the haf 942.

we like the haf for its airflow, the one you like has the least fans/airflow, it has only 2 200mm fans vs the 4 of haf 942. if you like black why don't you paint the haf 942 black.

if you want a blackops case then you have to go to that section which means the cost will go up by around $400.

I can totally understand that, problem is that when you get that you lose airflow, and you need the airflow for the sli, it makes a good difference when you have that side 200mm fan blowing air on the gpus.

If you are talking about going from a70 to h70, that is not an upgrade, thats a downgrade.

Edited by DST4ME - 09 Oct 2011 at 5:03pm

Ahhh sorry to hear about your experience. I have had a horrible experience with a dell comp myself but figured the monitors would be a different animal.

Going from a 17 inch to a 23 inch is going to be a huge difference for me so I am sure I wont be looking at the 27 inch model.

My old Syncmaster 731b had a great picture ;)

Hey DST4ME I went in to buy the Dell monitor and it was not givong the price it gave you even after the coupon you gave me.

But I saw the U2212HM right next to the one you suggested. It is the same monitor from what I can tell but way cheaper and only 1.5 inches smaller.

Check me and make sure I am correct in saying it is the same thing if you dont mind.....Dell's site is being a PITA on my phone.

ya its  been pretty frustrating for me to the say the least, first 2 pretty much just went i mean died..3rd one there was like a subtle line i could see most of the time right down the middle looked like 2 diff panels, one side would be brighter thn the other side. would see it in games and wen i watch tv through my cable box via hdmi..my first one was a new monitor, but after all these replacements they been just refirbished ones so tht could b y..but ya bad luck..actaully just got my fourth one a couple days ago, so im keepin my fingers crossed...

Edited by Aka - 10 Oct 2011 at 12:32am