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2nd DS system for New Year

Post Date: 2022-12-28
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    Posted: 28 Dec 2022 at 10:23pm
Budget:
~4K-ish, not set in stone

Expectations:
Great system that will last as long as my DS Vanquish from 2013.

Usage:
Gaming, likely upgrading to 4k with some AAA titles here and there.

Special Needs:
None, other than hoping my extra Samsung 970 EVOplus can be added easily to the system in the third storage slot.

Saved Ticket #: Config ID 4583960

Specifications:
System Configuration:
Chassis Model: Digital Storm Lumos
Processor: AMD Ryzen 9 7900X (12-Core) 5.6 GHz Turbo (Codename Raphael)
Motherboard: ASUS Prime X670-P (Wi-Fi) (AMD X670) (Up to 3x PCI-E Devices) (DDR5)
System Memory: 32GB DDR5 5200MHz Kingston FURY Beast
Power Supply: 1000W Digital Storm Performance Series (Semi-Modular) (80 Plus Gold)
Expansion Bay: - No Thanks
Storage Set 1: 1x SSD M.2 (1TB Samsung 980 PRO) (NVM Express)
Storage Set 2: 1x Storage (2TB Seagate / Toshiba / Hitachi)
Internet Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections)
Graphics Card(s): 1x GeForce RTX 4090 24GB (VR Ready)
Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio
Extreme Cooling: H20: Stage 3: Digital Storm Vortex Liquid CPU Cooler (Triple Fan) (Fully Sealed + No Maintenance)
Chassis Fans: Standard Factory Chassis Fans
Internal Lighting: Remote Controlled Advanced LED Lighting System (Multiple RGB Color Modes)
CPU Boost: Stock Factory Turbo Boost Advanced Automatic Overclocking
Graphics: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my video card(s)
OS Boost: - No Thanks, Please do not tweak the services on the operating system
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 11 Home (64-Bit)

Comments:
Not set on Intel or AMD but put together this build with AMD. I have read through the last few months of forum threads but am still not sure on which CPU would be a better fit for the 4090 and gaming in general. I know there were some comments about Intel being better for workstation, etc. I won’t be using the desktop for anything other than leisure/gaming. I understand that the 4090 is probably overkill but it seems as though the 4080 isn’t a better value for cost/performance—I’m okay with paying the premium at this point. I’m not very educated on the CPU/motherboards, so thought this would be a good place to ask if I’m missing something glaring here in general. Appreciate the help!
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Posts: 7331 		  Quote Cretae Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 29 Dec 2022 at 4:03am
Gaming does not need the benefit of a lot of extra cores, and the speed of the 15 13600KF turbos to 5.1 GHz. the hybrid chip design does make the Intel a better choice ATM. The KF designation means it's overclockable (no need) and does not have a video capability onboard. There's no need to go higher than the i5 procs. The processors have lapped the field so to speak for gaming. They are far better than they need to be. The dual fan AIO cooler will be fine for that proc if you want.

If you choose the Intel 13600KF, mount it in the ASUS Prime Z790-P for DDR5 support and 4 M.2 PCIe 4 SSD slots. The HDD won't take up one of those, but I don't think I'd bother with an HDD unless you want to store a ton of photos, etc. Stay with 980s, 970s or the DS branded PCIe SSDs for your gaming library. The PCIe gen 3s will be fine for gaming, but you do want the 980 speed for your primary.
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Posts: 2115 		  Quote db188 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 04 Jan 2023 at 12:32am
if you're going 4k route you don't need to invest in a top of the line cpu.  keep the 4090 and save some money on a 13600K or 7700X (about $120 difference from the 7900X). 

there's plenty of room to save power, get better thermals, and higher boosts by under-volting the cpu.  stock config from both companies has too much voltage running through them.  i wouldn't suggest tower coolers with AMD procs.  a decent 360 AIO cooler is sufficient.  reduced power = better thermals = higher boost clock (at least at the lower negative offsets). 
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Posts: 7331 		  Quote Cretae Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 06 Jan 2023 at 4:13am
Just thought I'd throw this out there. Thought you might like to compare:

https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i9-7900X-vs-Intel-Core-i5-13600KF/3936vsm1950757

The 7900X is not the gaming chip my newbie friend thinks it should be.   
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Posts: 7966 		  Quote hoserator Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 06 Jan 2023 at 4:36am
@Cretae, I'm not sure but I don't think they are talking about the Intel 7900x but AMD's Ryzen 9 7900x.

All these numbers can turn one loco! Crazy
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Posts: 2115 		  Quote db188 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 06 Jan 2023 at 8:21am
no doubt Intel's mature/end of life process is very impressive at a much lower price than AMD's I9.  that being said, you still get more threads 24 vs 20, more than twice the L3 cache 64MB vs 30MB, slightly higher turbo clock speed (more if you tune it properly), and lower power consumption 170W vs 181W (turbo) with the 7900X. 

i think the choice comes down to price/value and whether someone is upgrading a last gen build vs someone who is looking to do an entirely new build on a new process/platform. 
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Posts: 7331 		  Quote Cretae Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 08 Jan 2023 at 3:41pm
Of course! here's a look at the proper compariso. My bad:

https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-Ryzen-9-7900X-vs-Intel-Core-i5-13600KF/4132vsm1950757

The i5 13600KF still comes out on top.   
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Posts: 2115 		  Quote db188 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 08 Jan 2023 at 4:22pm
Originally posted by Cretae

Of course! here's a look at the proper compariso. My bad:

https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-Ryzen-9-7900X-vs-Intel-Core-i5-13600KF/4132vsm1950757

The i5 13600KF still comes out on top.   
i believe a proper comparison would be between the Ryzen 7700X and Intel 13600K/KF.  recent price drops put the 7700X in the $300 range.  the 7700X has both higher base and boost clocks than the 13600KF and more L3 cache.  it's on a 5nm lithography compared to 10nm. it has a 105W TDP compared to 125W TDP.  lower/more efficient power. 

obviously with the Intel proc you can go with DDR4 or DDR5 memory and more flexibility with last gen motherboards.  i think there's also an argument that the I5 is so good that it also competes against the entirety of Intel's own line of new procs! 

can't argue against anyone going with it, as it's a huge value.  there is 1 argument in favor of having an iGPU though for just a little more when it comes to the convenience of troubleshooting discrete graphics cards errors.  so the K model prob more directly compares to the 7700X.
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Posts: 7331 		  Quote Cretae Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 09 Jan 2023 at 7:35am
I was responding to the poster who recommended the 7900x for gaming. He since removed his post. Not a gaming chip IMO.

As usual, you bring some interesting data to the table. I agree the chip competes with it's own siblings!    Here's a look at the comparison you suggest:

https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i5-13600K-vs-AMD-Ryzen-7-7700X/4134vs4131



Edited by Cretae - 09 Jan 2023 at 7:40am
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Posts: 2115 		  Quote db188 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 09 Jan 2023 at 12:54pm
@Cretae

i get it.  just wanted to put things into proper context for anyone thinking about upgrading/new builds.  i don't think anyone can go wrong with either.  just comes down to preference, really.  there is also a more "budget" tier below these recommendations with the 12400F 6-core (does DS offer the 13400F 10-core $245 retail?).  not sure why DS wastes time on the I3's tbh.  their budget line should just start with the base I5's.  quad core cpu's are just going to be a bottleneck for today's graphics cards. 

edit:  AMD Ryzen 5 7600X competes with the Intel I5-13400F.  about 18% more performance at 20% more power consumption over the Intel proc.  current retail i've found the 7600X can be had for $250. 


Edited by db188 - 09 Jan 2023 at 1:42pm
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