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    Posted: 10 Jun 2011 at 8:02pm
Hey guys,

I have been looking at this website for quite some time.  I was going to wait for 2011 socket and get Sandy Bridge EX at the end of the year but multiple components of my current PC just failed on me.

 Budget: Not really an issue.....let's say $3,000.

Expectations: A PC to build off of and add on as time goes on to stay current.

Usage: Gaming and watching movies. Games like Battlefield, Crysis, you know the drill. Lots of large scale RTS play too.

Have a 27" monitor now but planning  30" 2560x1600 IPS in the near future and want to max out my games.


Started with this :
Chassis Model: Special Deal Hot Seller - Cooler Master 942 HAF X
Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish
Trim Accents: - Standard Factory Finish
Processor: Intel Core i7 2600K 3.40GHz (Unlocked CPU for Extreme Overclocking) (Quad Core)
Motherboard: ASUS P8P67 (Intel P67 Chipset) (New B3 Revision) (Does Not Support SLI)
System Memory: 8GB DDR3 1600MHz Digital Storm Certified Performance Series (Highly Recommended) (Hand Tested)
Power Supply: 1000W Digital Storm Certified (Dual/Triple/Quad SLI Compatible) (Silent Edition Highly Recommended)
Expansion Bay: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 1: Operating System: 1x (120GB Solid State (By: Intel) (Model: 320 Series)
Set 1 Raid Options: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 2: Multimedia\Data: 1x (1TB Western Digital Caviar (7200 RPM) (64MB Cache) (Model: Black Edition)
Hard Drive Set 3: Backup\Misc.: - No Thanks
Optical Drive 1: DVD-R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 24x / CD-Writer 48x)
Optical Drive 2: - No Thanks
Internet Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections)
Video Card: 1x NVIDIA GeForce GTX 590 3GB (PhysX) (EVGA Classified)
Add-on Card: - No Thanks
Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio
Extreme Cooling: H20: Stage 4: Sub-Zero LCS Cooling System: CPU Only
H20 Tube Color:White Tubing with High-Performance Fluid (UV Lighting Reactive)
Chassis Airflow: Standard Factory Chassis Fans
Internal Lighting: - No Thanks
Enhancements: - No Thanks
Chassis Mods: - No Thanks
Noise Reduction: - No Thanks
Boost Processor: Stage 1: Overclock CPU 4.0GHz to 4.4GHz
Boost Video Card: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my video card(s)
Boost Memory: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my memory
Boost OS: - No Thanks, Please do not tweak the services on the operating system
Windows OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium (64-Bit Edition)
Recovery Tools: Windows Recovery Toolkit (Bundled with Windows 7 CD)
Virus Protection: - No Thanks
Office: - No Thanks




I was thinking going with the 1000w PS to plan on adding a second 590 later on when a game actually demands it.  I would upgrade MOBO and processor in about 2 years....not that it would be needed by then.
Should i go the higher clock in the OC since I will have decent LC?
And will I have GPU cooling issues when I add a second 590 without LC cooling them along with the processor?

Seems like I could build off this set up for a while........Input for me please?

Just need some assurance before pulling the trigger.  Thanks.


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  Quote BandGap Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 10 Jun 2011 at 8:49pm
I think people will recommend the Corsair power supply, but a bigger problem is the GTX 590. Dual GPU cards are not popular here - it will probably be recommended that you go with 580 sli or even 570 sli. 

Although I myself have considered the 590 since I've seen some pretty good reviews.  Some issues are that it pumps hot air directly into the case, and also that it is inherently less powerful than two 580s. Nevertheless I still like it.

Edit: just saw the thread by mattshredder. Looks like the 590 is really unpopular. May order one myself just to be controversial but would doubtless regret it if they're right.  

Edited by BandGap - 10 Jun 2011 at 9:10pm
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  Quote mikec Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 10 Jun 2011 at 10:28pm
You'd need to upgrade the motherboard to support any higher overclocking, or to support any multi-card SLI.

The 2600k overclocks well, even with air, so you should have no problem with heat for higher OC. You'd just have to watch the voltage (DS will take care of that).

Yes, I would suggest SLI 580 over a 590.

Now assuming you go toward SLI GTX 590.
Since it's 4 GPUs, I think you'd need a bigger PSU.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but since the current i7 2600k/P67 isn't the enthusiast platform, won't there be a PCI-E bandwidth bottleneck with 2x GTX590, or 3x/4x SLI anything else?

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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 10 Jun 2011 at 11:19pm
Let add some info to what these 2 guys said.

first 590 is a very bad idea, it gets beat by sli 570/580, they go bad sooner, when one gpu goes bad you are without gpu, in sli 570/580 you lose only one gpu when one goes bad, tri sli 570/580 beats sli 590, yoyu will need a 1200w psu, and last you can't run sli 590 on the p67 platform, it will need 2 x16 lanes, you don't have that, pay no attention to false advertising of mobos.

Now having said all that, for your res we recommend going sli/cf 580/6970 with option to go tri sli if needed, keep that into account as the p67 can't do tri sli correctly.

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Copy of Specifications:
Chassis Model: Special Deal Hot Seller - Cooler Master 942 HAF X
Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish
Trim Accents: - Standard Factory Finish
Processor: Intel Core i7 2600K 3.40GHz (Unlocked CPU for Extreme Overclocking) (Quad Core)
Motherboard: ASUS P8P67 Deluxe (Intel P67 Chipset) (New & Improved B3 Revision Without SATA 3G Issue)
System Memory: 8GB DDR3 1600MHz Digital Storm Certified Performance Series (Highly Recommended) (Hand Tested)
Power Supply: 1000W Corsair (Dual/Triple/Quad SLI Compatible)
Expansion Bay: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 1: Operating System: 1x (120GB Solid State (By: Intel) (Model: 320 Series)
Set 1 Raid Options: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 2: Multimedia\Data: 1x (1TB Western Digital Caviar (7200 RPM) (64MB Cache) (Model: Black Edition)
Hard Drive Set 3: Backup\Misc.: - No Thanks
Optical Drive 1: DVD-R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 24x / CD-Writer 48x)
Optical Drive 2: - No Thanks
Internet Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections)
Video Card: 2x CrossFire Dual (ATI Radeon HD 6970 2GB)
Add-on Card: - No Thanks
Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio
Extreme Cooling: H20: Stage 4: Sub-Zero LCS Cooling System: CPU Only
H20 Tube Color:- Not Applicable, I do not have a FrostChill or Sub-Zero LCS Cooling System Selected
Chassis Airflow: Standard Factory Chassis Fans
Internal Lighting: Internal Chassis Lighting System (Red)
Enhancements: - No Thanks
Chassis Mods: - No Thanks
Noise Reduction: - No Thanks
Boost Processor: Stage 2: Overclock CPU 4.5GHz to 4.8GHz (Requires Pro or Deluxe Series Motherboard)
Boost Video Card: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my video card(s)
Boost Memory: Memory Fan Kit Only (Does not include memory overclocking service)
Boost OS: - No Thanks, Please do not tweak the services on the operating system
Windows OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium (64-Bit Edition)
Recovery Tools: Windows Recovery Toolkit (Bundled with Windows 7 CD)
Virus Protection: - No Thanks
Office: - No Thanks
Benchmarking: - No Thanks
Install/Test Game: - No Thanks
Display: - No Thanks
Surge Shield: - No Thanks
Speakers: - No Thanks
Keyboard: - No Thanks
Mouse: - No Thanks
External Storage: - No Thanks
Exclusive T-Shirt: - No Thanks
Priority Build: - No Thanks, Ship Within 5-15 Business Days After Order Is Successfully Processed
Warranty: Life-time Expert Customer Care with 3 Year Limited Warranty

if you want high aa settings stick with cf 6970 or go with 3GB sli 580.

if high aa settings is not important to you, go with sli 570.
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  Quote wingatej Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 11 Jun 2011 at 1:10pm
So, a few questions. I understand the reasoning fro staying away from the 590 now and will do so......will the 1000w PS be enough to handle an eventual 3X580 SLI setup?

Next question is: Would doing 6970s in CF be better for what I want? I may add 2 additional monitors of the same resolution later on. The extra VRAM is better for higher res and AA?

3rd question: since I will have stage 4 LC should I go with the highest overclock range choice ? As I understand the 2600k can reach 5ghz on air? The LC is more for the reason I will be upgrading the processor to Enthusiast edition on 2011 socket.

Last question: I like the HafX best in looks and cooling as well as not being to large.....but my office accumulates a decent amount of dust....is this the best case for me? And should I request for 200mm fans from DS?

Thankyou for your help!!


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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 11 Jun 2011 at 7:20pm
lol I feel like you didn't read my post, most of the stuff you are asking is answered there, np we will go over them again

1. this has 2 parts actually:

A. all psus are not the same, the 1000w corsair is the one you want, and No, a 1000w can't run quad sli 590 or tri sli 580/570, with the oc and everything you gonna be pushing the psu pass the 80% mark, which is not what you want to do.

B. the p67 platform can't so quad/tri sli anyways, well it can but you will not get quad/tri sli performance, for tri sli setup you want to wait for the highend platform of SB that is going to be x79 platform, the p67 is the midrange platform.

2. if you look at my config, I went with cf 6970 for that reason, you can go sli 3GB 580s, but the 2GB is plenty, and ati does better with multi monitors.


3. Ok well first, are you saying in 4 months you gonna change the cpu and mobo? if so why buy a pc now? that makes zero sense and lot of money down the drain.

second temp is one limit to oc, the other you want to watch out for is vcore, no matter what your oc, if your vcore is above 1.4 - 1.42 you are looking at early death, at 1.5 you looking at about a year or so of life with 24/7 use.

in short the oc range I picked for you should give you good oc/temps/vcore, you don't really need stage 4 lc for this range, a Noctua or the a70 will do.

the haf x is a full-tower case, for dual sli or tri sli you gonna want a room y case, I'm not sure where you got the idea that the haf x is not a big case.

for dust you can get filters for the haf's fans.

the haf x comes with 3 x 200mm fans but it has room on top for a 4th, so yes:

Ask DS specifically for this fan to be added to the top, so you endup with 4 x 200mm fans:

haf 200mm non led fan

you want the front and side big fans blowing air in, while the 2 top big fans suck air out, hot air rises so lets help it out with the 2 big fans on top sucking it up/out.

Edited by DST4ME - 11 Jun 2011 at 7:21pm
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  Quote wingatej Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 11 Jun 2011 at 8:42pm
Okay, makes sense.

I was going to originally wait for 2011 socket and SB-E at the end of the year but my MOBO and GPU got fried in a lightning strike even with the surge protector.  So I need to buy now as I need a PC for business.  I figure I will upgrade cpu and mobo in a year and a half or two after this purchase so as not to feel like I wasted the money.

Thankyou for your help!!!!!!
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 11 Jun 2011 at 9:20pm
honestly other then needing tri sli ability, I would not see any reason to change mobo/psu.

but its upto you, btw your pc got fired probably from the lan line, that is why you got fried, the lan didn't go in the surge protector.

what are your pcs's symptoms, you could just revive it with a $100 psu.

My pleasure

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  Quote wingatej Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 11 Jun 2011 at 9:30pm
The screen image from startup all the way through windows has distortion , lines, and dots and whatnot which makes me think the GPU is messed up. When it gets to windows, it wont let me click on anything which makes me think MOBO since the onboard video should be able to run windows without the gpu maybe.

It did get me excited for a new PC though. BTW, would the a70 be louder than the fans on the rad for stage 4 LC?
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 11 Jun 2011 at 9:35pm
probably the same or lower.

if you have integrated gpu, it needs to be enabled in bios, otherwise it the gpu in the pci lane.

so far sounds like gpu problem, if mobo has integrated gpu, remove gpu and go into bios and enable integrated and see what happens.

you sure its not the monitor? its a desktop right?
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