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    Posted: 23 May 2010 at 3:39am
     Hey there, new to this but I'd say this is the most promising system building site I've seen. So far I've seen nothing but exemplary reviews and so you've won me over, my next comp is going to come from Digital Storm.

    I've got a pretty strict $3000 budget including shipping. Monitor, keyboard, mouse and speakers are already taken care of so all of the budget can be spent on the actual system and getting it here.

    The system will be used for gaming, FPS, MMO and the standard fare. It'll also have to function as a daily machine for a college student and hopefully get me all the way through grad school, another four or five years.

    My current monitor is only a 1600x900 but I'll probably be upgrading to a better one eventually or if possible running dual monitors.

    As for the list of parts I'd like to get
SSD Main drive, 128 GB would be fine.
Data Drive 1 TB, preferably a somewhat fast one.
Blue-ray player and dvd burner, I don't need to burn blue-rays.

    In terms of performance, which is more important than parts I want, I was hoping to get an i-7 960 processor, 12 gigs of ram and if possible dual video cards.

    Heat build up is a concern I am familiar with after my HP laptop had the video card burn itself and the rest of the computer into an outrageously expensive paper weight. What would be a safe level of cooling to maintain? I'd like to remain air cooled if possible but I'll take safety over convenience.

    Mobility of the system and appearance truly don't matter to me, I only care about functionality. So a less visually impressive case is fine if it fits in with the budget.

    I know I'm shooting high with this system and I might be way above what's possible with my budget limit. If that's the case where would you recommend cutting back? Getting only one video card now and upgrading to two of them later? Only getting six gigs of ram? The processor is pretty high on the list of near essentials.

    Also what video cards would you recommend? I know that NVIDIA is the more popular choice but I have been turning my attention towards ATI recently, their 5850 to be specific. If I got only one card to start with and bought a second card to add at a later date just how hard is it to set up Crossfire? Or would I be better off just going with a single 5970?

    Sorry about the long post but I've spent the last month or three trying to find out who I wanted to build my computer and what I'd want to go into it. I know who I want to build this monster, I just have to figure out what to put into it.
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  Quote Raif Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 23 May 2010 at 3:59am
this might be a stupid question but are you looking for a desktop or a laptop?

ok so 1600 x 900 is your starting resolution... do you have any idea on what you will get when you want to upgrade... i'd rather get a higher res monitor then 2 lower res one.

you will never ever need 12gb of ram or ram higher then 1600 mhz unless your doing folding, picture editing or massive 3d video or editing. having tons of ram lowers your max oc

at your current resolution one 5850 is all you will ever need. if you go up to 1680 x 1050 you will still be great! if you want 1920 x 1200 2x 5850 would be better then 1 5870 which is what you would need.

nvidia costs more but it has better 3d rendering, physics, and tessellation.

sicne your in college i assume space is a issue if you choose desktop then a mid size would be better for you like the haf 922. if you have space of a fullsize then a haf 932 would be for you.

at that resolution you wont experience the full experience of a blu ray.

we don't mind long posts or answering a ton a questions. in fact we love questions.

i can tell you that we can get a air cooled rig capable of running the most demanding games at 60 fps with max aa/af for less then your budget. this also includes a 160 gb intel ssd 1tb hdd, nvidia gpus all for a 1920 x 1200 resolution. it even gives you room to spare on the budget where you can take the left overs and chuck your old monitor and get a top line one at that resolution above.

so take some time and think about all i said. ask questions and when you make up your mind on exactly what you want we will all be here for you
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  Quote Maugrem Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 23 May 2010 at 4:32am
    I should have clarified, I'm looking to make a desktop. So 12 gigs is too much, good to know. Would you recommend 6 gigs at 1600 mhz then? And desktop space is no issue, a full size case would be preferable. Would it be possible to go with the two 5850s and still come in under budget, preparing for a future with a 1920x1200 monitor? That way I'll be ready to take advantage of the blue-ray quality. Or if I go with NVIDA cards what would you recommend? I know I'm not the most knowledgeable person around on the subject and expert advice is always welcome.
    And I have to say fastest response I've ever had, ever. No doubts where my next computer is coming from.
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  Quote Raif Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 23 May 2010 at 4:55am
pleasure to be of service... i am just a loyal fan/customer.

the 6gb standard ram at 1600 mhz is all you will ever need.

if you can grab 2x nvidia cards and stay under the budget you can def do ati as well.

hd is 720p blue ray is 1080p to get true 1080p you need 1680 x 1050+

ATI is a great bang for the buck but nvidia performs better and still has room to improve driver wise which will increase its performance even more.
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  Quote Raif Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 23 May 2010 at 5:18am
ok this will be for your 1920 x 1200

you can change size of t shirt, and light color to your pref. keep in mind the 932 case fan is red

the dell u2410 is the best hp makes one cheaper but the panel isn't as good

Price: $2595
ticket number: 408785

Chassis Model: Special Deal Hot Seller - Cooler Master HAF 932
Exterior Finish: - Not Available
Trim Accents: - Not Available
Processor: Intel Core i7 920 2.66GHz (Quad Core)
Motherboard: EVGA X58 LE Edition SLI (Intel X58 Chipset) (Supports SLI or CrossFire)
System Memory: 6GB DDR3 1600MHz Digital Storm Certified Performance Series (Highly Recommended) (Hand Tested)
Power Supply: 750W Corsair TX (Dual SLI Compatible)
Expansion Bay: - Not Available
Hard Drive Set 1: Operating System: 1x (160GB Solid State (By: Intel) (Extreme Performance) (Model: SSDSA2MH160G2R5)
Set 1 Raid Options: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 2: Multimedia\Data: 1x (1TB Seagate/Hitachi/Western Digital (7200 RPM) (32MB Cache) (SATA) (Extreme Speed)
Hard Drive Set 3: Backup\Misc.: - No Thanks
Optical Drive 1: Blu-Ray Player/DVD Writer (Play Blu-Ray and Burn DVDs)
Optical Drive 2: - No Thanks
Internet Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections)
Video Card: 1x NVIDIA GeForce GTX 480 1.5GB (Includes PhysX Technology)
Add-on Card: - No Thanks
Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio
Extreme Cooling: AIR: Stage 2: Noctua NH-D14 Extreme Performance (Does NOT fit on the regular EVGA X58 3X SLI)
H20 Tube Color:- Not Available
Chassis Airflow: Standard Factory Chassis Fans
Internal Lighting: Internal Chassis Lighting System (Red)
Enhancements: - Not Available
Chassis Mods: - Not Available
Noise Reduction: - Not Available
Boost Processor: FREE: Stage 1: Overclock the processor between 3.3GHz to 3.9GHz (Cooling Upgrade Recommended)
Boost Video Card: - Not Available
Boost Memory: - Not Available
Boost OS: FREE: Yes, Disable and tweak all of the non-crucial services on the operating system
Windows OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Professional (64-Bit Edition)
Restore Kit: Digital Storm Specialized Recovery System (DVD Image Based)
Virus Protection: - Not Available
Office: - Not Available
Benchmarking: - Not Available
Install/Test Game: FREE: Hot-selling game with a NVIDIA GeForce GTS 250 or above graphics card
Display: - No Thanks
Surge Shield: - No Thanks
Speakers: - No Thanks
Keyboard: - No Thanks
Mouse: - No Thanks
External Storage: - No Thanks
Exclusive T-Shirt: FREE: Digital Storm T-Shirt - Black (Medium)
Priority Build: - No Thanks, Ship Within 5-15 Business Days After Order Is Successfully Processed
Warranty: 3 Year Limited Warranty with Life-Time Customer Support

this rig can handle pretty much any game at 60fps with max aa/af and all the effects bells and whistles. games like gta4 and crysis need more. you can still run 60 fps at those games but you will have to turn down the aa/af.

the mobo has 4 pci-e lanes running at 16x 16x 8x 8x. so you have room to grow... like in the future a sound card... maybe a usb 3 card, another gpu down the road? just keep in mind to run 2x 480 you need a 1250 watt psu.

on this rig you have all the trim you asked for and even staying under your budget with a new top line monitor. you will need to get that specific monitor from dell or newegg

this computer has tons of possibilities and with free labor on upgrades you can just change what you need instead of buying a whole new one in the future. at ds customers are encouraged to upgrade, customize and personalize.

if at any point you need more gpu power you can upgrade to a newer one or ask for oc help in the oc forum. don't worry about the heat your cooler is one of the best on the market as well as your case and it's legendary airflow.

i hope i answered all your questions but if you have more don't be shy
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 23 May 2010 at 3:46pm
Nice build, the only thing I would change is go with a bigger psu for future upgrades, ssd and etc can always be added later easily if needed.

in dual cf/sli that mobo has 16x and 8x lanes to use, if you want 2 x 16x lanes at dual sli then go with 3x classified mobo.

here is the ati version:

Here you go Ticket# 408861 --- Price: $2655 (To see this build click here) Price after current promotion $2655

Copy of Specifications:
Chassis Model: Special Deal Hot Seller - Cooler Master HAF 932
Exterior Finish: - Not Available
Trim Accents: - Not Available
Processor: Intel Core i7 920 2.66GHz (Quad Core)
Motherboard: EVGA X58 LE Edition SLI (Intel X58 Chipset) (Supports SLI or CrossFire)
System Memory: 6GB DDR3 1600MHz Digital Storm Certified Performance Series (Highly Recommended) (Hand Tested)
Power Supply: 1000W Corsair (Dual/Triple/Quad SLI Compatible)
Expansion Bay: - Not Available
Hard Drive Set 1: Operating System: 1x (160GB Solid State (By: Intel) (Extreme Performance) (Model: SSDSA2MH160G2R5)
Set 1 Raid Options: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 2: Multimedia\Data: 1x (1TB Seagate/Hitachi/Western Digital (7200 RPM) (32MB Cache) (SATA) (Extreme Speed)
Hard Drive Set 3: Backup\Misc.: - No Thanks
Optical Drive 1: Blu-Ray Player/DVD Writer (Play Blu-Ray and Burn DVDs)
Optical Drive 2: - No Thanks
Internet Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections)
Video Card: 1x ATI Radeon HD 5870 1GB
Add-on Card: - No Thanks
Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio
Extreme Cooling: AIR: Stage 2: Noctua NH-D14 Extreme Performance (Does NOT fit on the regular EVGA X58 3X SLI)
H20 Tube Color:- Not Available
Chassis Airflow: Standard Factory Chassis Fans
Internal Lighting: Internal Chassis Lighting System (Red)
Enhancements: - Not Available
Chassis Mods: - Not Available
Noise Reduction: - Not Available
Boost Processor: FREE: Stage 1: Overclock the processor between 3.3GHz to 3.9GHz (Cooling Upgrade Recommended)
Boost Video Card: - Not Available
Boost Memory: - Not Available
Boost OS: FREE: Yes, Disable and tweak all of the non-crucial services on the operating system
Windows OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Professional (64-Bit Edition)
Restore Kit: Digital Storm Specialized Recovery System (DVD Image Based)
Virus Protection: - Not Available
Office: - Not Available
Benchmarking: - Not Available
Install/Test Game: FREE: Hot-selling game with a NVIDIA GeForce GTS 250 or above graphics card
Display: - No Thanks
Surge Shield: - No Thanks
Speakers: - No Thanks
Keyboard: - No Thanks
Mouse: - No Thanks
External Storage: - No Thanks
Exclusive T-Shirt: FREE: Digital Storm T-Shirt - Black (Medium)
Priority Build: - No Thanks, Ship Within 5-15 Business Days After Order Is Successfully Processed
Warranty: 3 Year Limited Warranty with Life-Time Customer Support

again as mentioned if you want only one gpu and don't plan on upgrading to dual cf/sli down the road then go with 750w corsair, but if you want to be able to upgrade gpu to cf/sli then for nvidia you want the 1250w psu and for ati you want the 1000w corsair.
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  Quote Raif Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 23 May 2010 at 4:00pm
thanks for the stamp of approval dst! i don't think i can ever win with the psu lol... but the 1k would give him more head room for add on cards. so 1k for expandability and 750 watt for standard got it! ok i guess i messeed up the le is 16x 8x 8x and the classi is 16x 16x 8x 8x on it!


Edited by Raif - 23 May 2010 at 4:02pm
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  Quote Damon Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 23 May 2010 at 4:19pm
1. If I am planning on dual 480 would you recommend the LE or Classified??
 
2. If Classified, do I have to tell DS anything special when ordering to make sure the cards go in the right slots???
 
New at this, just trying to understand and educate myself.
 
Thx for the help!!!


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  Quote Cretae Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 23 May 2010 at 5:47pm
The classified is overkill for the extra $ it costs and your needs. Don't be carried away with SLI or Crossfire just because it's out there. It's an awful lot of money to spend on something that will sit idle 95% of the time but generate heat and waste electricity, IMO. One card and a monitor upgrade gonna give you so much better experience than you've had, by the time you started thinking you might go for a second card, a whole new batch of cards will be out to upgrade to that will rival any 2. CF/SLI is not always troublefree set n forget.
Just 8 months ago, guys goin nuts over CF and SLi configs missed out on Direct x11 and DDR5 entirely. But had $800-1000 in their video setup now obsolete.


Edited by Cretae - 23 May 2010 at 5:49pm
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 23 May 2010 at 6:00pm
1. LE will be just fine but classified is always a nice mobo to have IMO, but not if you are on a budget, the LE is a great mobo and it would be hard to notice a difference between the 2 in most games and sli/cf.

2. lanes 1 and 3 are 16x lanes, I doubt you have to tell DS that, but worst case senario, it takes one minutes to move it to the right one
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  Quote Maugrem Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 23 May 2010 at 7:07pm
    Okay, now we're getting close. I've followed your guys advice and just changed a few things, what do you think? I know the motherboard isn't necessary but it's only fifty bucks so why not? Unless there is a reason to not take the next step up that I very well could not know about. And I agree with the 1000kw psu, in case I ever do end up adding a second 5870 gpu. I know I'm pushing my budget but if I've waited as many months as I have already a few more weeks won't hurt to get it right. And the next purchase after this will be a 1920x1200 monitor, I'm already pricing them out.

Specifications:
Chassis Model: Special Deal Hot Seller - Cooler Master HAF 932
Exterior Finish: - Not Available
Trim Accents: - Not Available
Processor: Intel Core i7 960 3.2GHz (Quad Core)
Motherboard: !SALE: EVGA X58 3X SLI (Intel X58 Chipset) (Supports Triple SLI or CrossFire)
System Memory: 6GB DDR3 1600MHz Digital Storm Certified Performance Series (Highly Recommended) (Hand Tested)
Power Supply: 1000W Corsair (Dual/Triple/Quad SLI Compatible)
Expansion Bay: - Not Available
Hard Drive Set 1: Operating System: 1x (160GB Solid State (By: Intel) (Extreme Performance) (Model: SSDSA2MH160G2R5)
Set 1 Raid Options: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 2: Multimedia\Data: 1x (1TB Seagate/Hitachi/Western Digital (7200 RPM) (32MB Cache) (SATA) (Extreme Speed)
Hard Drive Set 3: Backup\Misc.: - No Thanks
Optical Drive 1: Blu-Ray Player/DVD Writer (Play Blu-Ray and Burn DVDs)
Optical Drive 2: - No Thanks
Internet Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections)
Video Card: 1x ATI Radeon HD 5870 1GB
Add-on Card: - No Thanks
Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio
Extreme Cooling: H20: Stage 2: Asetek Liquid CPU Cooler (240mm Radiator) (High-Performance Edition)
H20 Tube Color:- Not Available
Chassis Airflow: Standard Factory Chassis Fans
Internal Lighting: Internal Chassis Lighting System (Red)
Enhancements: - Not Available
Chassis Mods: - Not Available
Noise Reduction: - Not Available
Boost Processor: FREE: Stage 1: Overclock the processor between 3.3GHz to 3.9GHz (Cooling Upgrade Recommended)
Boost Video Card: - Not Available
Boost Memory: - Not Available
Boost OS: FREE: Yes, Disable and tweak all of the non-crucial services on the operating system
Windows OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Professional (64-Bit Edition)
Restore Kit: Digital Storm Specialized Recovery System (DVD Image Based)
Virus Protection: - Not Available
Office: - Not Available
Benchmarking: - Not Available
Install/Test Game: FREE: Hot-selling game with a NVIDIA GeForce GTS 250 or above graphics card
Display: - No Thanks
Surge Shield: - No Thanks
Speakers: - No Thanks
Keyboard: - No Thanks
Mouse: - No Thanks
External Storage: - No Thanks
Exclusive T-Shirt: FREE: Digital Storm T-Shirt - Black (Xtra Large)
Priority Build: - No Thanks, Ship Within 5-15 Business Days After Order Is Successfully Processed
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  Quote Raif Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 23 May 2010 at 8:49pm
1 there is no point to the 960 it will oc the same as a 920
2 the asetek is not real LC it is crappy,leaky and not efficiant you will get better temps with the noctua
3 with that mobo you can't fit the d14 but u can fit the d12 (stage 1) and thats better then the asetek
4 drop the os tweak if you can. you would have to know how to re-enable or get a walk threw from ds. if it is not a option but it in the special instructions area
5 the classi can fit the d14 which is a better investment then the 960

everything else looks great


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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 24 May 2010 at 1:10am
we are back tracking, go back to my build and just change the mobo to classified if that is what you want, don't change other things around cause they are not worth it, otherwise we would have talked to you about them
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  Quote Muz Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 24 May 2010 at 3:25pm
As for the monitor, I myself have the hp z24 which is the u2410 competitor if you will. Depending on your needs, a lot of people say the dell is better but as a hardcore gamer, the z24 does just fine and costs about 100-150 bucks cheaper than the u2410. Also its an ips so its better than TN panels as far as picture quality goes.
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Echo Muz. The whole model title is the HP ZR24W. I got mine today, got it set up, and it is gorgeous. I'm coming from a 19" CRT, and I'm blown away. For the money, I can't imagine what the Dell U2410 has this one doesn't have. And although the reports of tinted displays with the Dell may be overblown, there are no such issues with this screen. Got mine at Cost Central in Erie PA for 389.99 free shipping.  Evil%20Smile
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