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  Quote Peachtree Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Topic: 3,500-4,000
    Posted: 27 Jul 2019 at 4:16pm
Budget:
[3,500 - 4,000... I went over 4,000 because of the deal DS is running at this time. Spend 4,000 get 400 $ off. ]

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[ Gaming at high frame rates and hopefully 4K]

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[Gaming ]

Special Needs:
[ The motherboard needs to have WiFi , I want a 2080ti graphics card & a overcloaked cpu would be fantastic. ]

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I would use a link but the forum won’t let me :-)

Wondering if the H115i Pro can handle cooling the i9 processor or not. I’ve read a few things where they’ve said it puts a lot of stress on the cooling system which leads to the system being loud. Is the i9 really worth it at this time? Would I be better of settling with a stage two over cloaked I7? Or do I stay with and over cloaked i9 and upgrade the cooling system to something else. I also have the graphics card overcloaked but I’ve heard that’s not needed because it’s just adds more stress, and little gain comes from it. Feel free to make changes, any input would be great!

Thanks.

Edited by Peachtree - 27 Jul 2019 at 4:30pm
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  Quote hoserator Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 27 Jul 2019 at 4:48pm
Welcome to DS. Awesome

That is a real nice setup you have configured.  That cooler is plenty and you don't need to overclock that gpu.  Others with more knowledge will let us know more in depth reasons but IMO that system will rock a 4K fine.
Enjoy.Big%20Smile


PS I am running a 4K with games maxed out with a lower ranked cpu and the 2080Ti.


Edited by hoserator - 27 Jul 2019 at 4:50pm
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  Quote HockeyBuck Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 27 Jul 2019 at 6:31pm
I agree with Hose...You have done a good job configuring the Lumos system and it should game very nicely at 4K. You really won't need to Overclock the RTX 2080 Ti.

You could save $168 by using the 8-core/8 thread i7-9700K, as it's gaming performance is neck and neck with the 8-core/16 thread i9-9900K...and the i7-9700K actually Overclocks a bit easier.   The H115i cooler should handle either CPU just fine.   If you are concerned about the cooling, then consider going the rest of the way and use Hydrolux Pro on the CPU.   You would certainly get lower CPU temps for the investment.   
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  Quote Cretae Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 28 Jul 2019 at 5:10am
Nice. Very.

I wouldn't change anything important. One thing I thought you might consider is the suggestion to save on the 17-9700K, and then step up to a Samsung 1TB 860 EVO for drive 2. That gets you in at $4010 for that $400 discount, but gets you all SSD storage. Unless you have a whole lot of media archives, it seems to me that's an awful lot of slow storage that may frustrate you down the road. Obviously you trade out capacity, but that SSD is from 4-15 times faster depending what the use is. It's easy to add more when you need it, and getting cheaper by the day.

Something to consider unless you need gobs of space right now.
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  Quote Peachtree Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 29 Jul 2019 at 6:57am
Thanks for the suggestions!
I think I’m going to stick with the i9 processor and upgrade the second storage slot to the Samsung 860 evo.

Also any suggestions on a true 4K monitor that would maximize the potential of this pc? Would like to get the most out of this pc!

Thanks again
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  Quote hoserator Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 29 Jul 2019 at 9:16am
Right now I get to use an Asus PG27UQ ($$$$$) and it is very relaxing on the eyes (I use a 2K daily) from a distance of a couple to three feet. Everything is very clear.  DroolingWorks great.
For the amount of Hamiltons you are going to say goodbye to, you should read some reviews and compare. Also search out how your games work with the hardware you are selecting. Big%20Smile



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  Quote HockeyBuck Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 29 Jul 2019 at 1:58pm
One of the very best 34” IPS 3440 X 1440P panels out there is the (Dell) Alienware AW3418DW.....around $850.....

Whatever size you go after, be sure you choose an IPS panel that is G-Sync tested and approved by NVidia from their list at this link:

https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/products/g-sync-monitors/specs/

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  Quote Peachtree Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 13 Aug 2019 at 11:51am
HockeyBuck,

After some serious thought and saving some more money I have came down to buying one of these two configurations. If this was your pc and you had to choose one which one would you choose and of course why?
The builds are pretty much identical but with different cooling. The Lumos is Liquid cooled on both the cpu and gpu whereas the Aventum is only liquid cooled on the cpu. My questions is with the aventum having more fans than the Lumos will the fans Keep the aventums gpu as cool or close to as cooled as the Lumos I have configured with the gpu cooler?

Also with the Lumos being a smaller case do you feel what I have configured now would cause it to still overheat evens though I have the cpu and gpu liquid cooled because of everything being closer together?

Here are the two configurations

Aventum: 2527419

Lumos: 2527421

Thanks a ton man, your insight is awesome!

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  Quote hoserator Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 13 Aug 2019 at 1:49pm
That cooling configuration is backwards. The Aventum case is designed for a full cooling loop with more radiators and fans than the Lumos. Crazy

Add the gpu on the Aventum loop and you will be fine. If you want to save, go with an AIO on the Lumos and you will also be fine. The Hydrolux Pro is an open loop so that you can include everything that can be lc and as stated, the Aventum is designed therefor, the Lumos is not.

Also don't know why the lower psu on the Lumos with same components.
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GPUs on air can never be as cool as on lc. The heat transfer on lc, in addition to the use of radiator(s) to get rid of that heat is way more efficient than cooling fins on air.


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  Quote HockeyBuck Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 13 Aug 2019 at 2:00pm
Thanks for the kind words Peachtree... I get a kick out of helping folks get the best setup rigs for their money. All of us on the forum have been in your shoes....lol.   If we do this right, you will want to upgrade some things in about 8-10 yrs time...but you probably won't need to...lol.

Looking at both configs, you made excellent choices in components...but I think we need to level the field for the two as its not fair comparing a setup with full water on the CPU and GPU to one without GPU cooling.    We pay for that adjustment to add GPU cooling in the pricier Aventum setup by simply reducing Drive1 to a still reasonable 500 GB size, and changing mobo to the other top gaming board... the excellent Asus ROG Maximus XI Hero.   You could also survive just fine with one of the other upper midrange boards like the MSI Pro Carbon or the Asus Strix...but I think it's more reasonable price makes the Asus Maximus XI Hero board (-$309 !) a smart choice here that allows you to water cool your GPU and keep the build around the same price as the Lumos.

I have a Lumos my son uses, so you know I like that excellent Corsair 570X case....but the DS Aventum is the best cooled case on the planet...lol...and for gaming results there would be no comparison...Aventum would win with both set ups the same.   Three rads, 14 case fans... Lumos just can't cool your GPU and CPU as effectively as a fully kitted out Aventum.   Aventum temps should get you a few more degrees C and that translates to better performance & longer lasting CPU & GPU. Also...when we water cool the top of the line RTX 2080 Ti GPU, then you can let DS Overclock that GPU as it's going to be quite safe!   This Aventum X rig would be a beast for the foreseeable future!


Aventum X build2

Config # 2527553 ($6,409) (DS Sale -500 = $5,909)
*changed to 500 GB M.2 NVME (-$129)
*changed to Asus ROG Maximus XI Hero mobo (-$309)
*changed to HydroLux Pro CPU + GPU (+$490)
*selected "Yes please Overclock the GPU"


If there was $200 more left in the budget...I would upgrade to the better 10-year warranty, all modular digital and Platimum efficiency Corsair AX1200i 1200w PSU.   I have one (7 yrs old now) and it's still the best out there.   

Beyond PSU...I would next invest in your DS system warranty. All the DS parts only carry a 1 yr parts unless you up the system warranty.

See what you think.   If you can live without the overpriced MSI mobo, this rig would slay all competition!
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  Quote hoserator Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 13 Aug 2019 at 2:19pm
If you end up ordering the Hydrolux Pro, regardless of whether you include the gpu in the loop or not, special order a drain plug on the lower part of the loop possible. It will be very convenient in the future.  Big%20Smile

The Hydro Coppers on an Aventum (gpus on top and upside down) look very cool. Smile
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  Quote HockeyBuck Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 13 Aug 2019 at 2:49pm
Hose knows as he has an Aventum!   A drain port makes replacing coolant several years from now much easier.

His Aventum uses the top of line EVGA RTX 2080 Ti Hydro Copper GPUs.   (Hose also has two Corsair AX1200i PSU)    DS can get anything you want if it's available to order, and you can wait for it and pay the extra.   If not, you can ask what GPU brand/model choices you may have to pick from that are in DS stock and express your preference...and they will remove the stock fans and heatsink to place a DS custom waterblock on the stock card at a cost savings.   
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  Quote Peachtree Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 13 Aug 2019 at 9:50pm
Hoserator & Hockeybuck

Thanks gents for the adjustments/suggestions you made. It’s nice to have people like you who have been around to give feedback and bounce configurations back & forth too. You have made my buying experience with DS enjoyable!

I’ve taken your advice and decide on the Aventum. I liquid cooled the CPU & GPU, and went with the bigger power supply. I also went ahead and upgraded to the copper tubing. I’m hoping the copper tubing stays together during the shipping process. Seems risky, but with the money I’m paying I want a desktop I’ll be happy with at the end of the day.

Bellow is my final configuration I’ve made. I plan on ordering it tomorrow on my lunch break

Configuration: 2528403

Thanks again!
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  Quote HockeyBuck Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 14 Aug 2019 at 12:15am
Looking very good!   

Now I'd like to talk you away from the +$239 for copper tubing and back to the more practical clear fluid clear flex tubing you had set.   Clear/clear is smart...allows you to see the coolant flow, and easily spot when its getting some corrosion or looking a bit dirty. Easy to fix or change yourself, and easy to work around also.   

When we hear of coolant leaks here on the forum, it's almost always hard tubing unable to handle shipping hard knocks.   It is quite inflexible, so when you need to add hardware or do cleaning or maintenance it is very difficult to work around.    Looks cool but not real user friendly, and I don't believe you get quick disconnects or a drain plug with the hard tubing either...and quick disconnects is a very big deal that makes life easier when change or a new GPU is needed.   

My advice is spend it somewhere else like added warranty, or putting the more useful 1TB size M.2 NVME back for Drive 2.    
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  Quote hoserator Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 14 Aug 2019 at 5:49am
+++++1
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