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    Posted: 20 Oct 2007 at 12:53pm
I was reading how Intel is prepping up its x38 chipset now with Asus already offering it. And with the news that newer quad core Yorkdale processors will be coming out by the end of this year and early next year so..
 
1. Will the current A1 revision 680i support future 45nm yorkdale or wolfdale processors?
 
2. Is PCI-e 2.0 going to be backward compatible with 680i boards or will we have to upgrade?
 

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The 680i A1 does support the upcoming Intel 45nm chips.

PCI-E 2.0 cards will be backwards compatible with 1.0 slots.
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Wonderful.
 
Also from what I understand the current Graphics cards of today don't even come close to utilizing the current PCI e 1.0 standard. Am I right? I read this somewhere but not sure where.
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Cards will benefit from the extra power PCI-E 2.0 offers over 1.1 but not going to gain likely anything with the extra bandwidth.
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How will newer cards that use PCI-E 2.0 work on a PCI-E 1.1 slot if they demand more power?
 
How far away is the rumored 780i chipset exactly? Some said it was going to be released this year around this time.
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780i launches November 12th.

PCI-E 2.0 cards do not use more power -.- The next gen cards is going to be using a lot less power than the current gens.

PCI-E 2.0 slots supply more power to the cards than PCI-E 1.1.
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WHAT!!!!! so does that mean that ?!?!?!?! I don't get it.  So are they going to ditch the 1.1 versions so now my PCIe slots will be obsolete or something?
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Yes eventually PCI-E 1.1 will phase out just like AGP did.
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I'm tempted to cancel my current order and wait for the 780i. Since I want my PC to be worthwhile for at least 2 years for expansion.
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PCI-E 2.0 cards will work on PCI-E 1.1 and vice versa..

You shouldn't cancel because of technology. Technology always makes advances and PCI-E 1.1 will be around for another 4 years or so... And if you do cancel, you going to be spending a lot more money for all the new stuff like the motherboard, 45nm chips, and 55/65nm GPUs =\

PCI-E 2.0 is just starting to trickle out and PCI-E 3.0 have already been announced for 2010.
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Hmm makes sense.

Originally posted by skyR

780i launches November 12th.

PCI-E 2.0 cards do not use more power -.- The next gen cards is going to be using a lot less power than the current gens.

PCI-E 2.0 slots supply more power to the cards than PCI-E 1.1.


Why would they need more power if they don't need it. I am trying to figure out that paradox :D.

And then the other question is, if you use a next gen card in a 1.1 slot. It might be hampererd by the 1.1 bandwidth limit.

I don't know. I am trying to make sense of this goulash. And from what I've heard the 780i is going to be a 680i with an added chip for 2.0 support.




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PCI-E 1.1 provides 75W. Most cards today use as much as 200W and since the slot can not provide that. They need one or more cables connected to the PSU for its power. The PCI-E 2.0 slot provides 150W so one or no cables are needed for the GPU.

Most/some of the next gen cards are rumored to use less than 150W. However all of them will still come with 6 pin connectors for the PSU for backwards compatibility.

Yes if you use a 2.0 card in a 1.1 slot, the card will be limited by the slot.


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Originally posted by skyR

PCI-E 2.0 cards will work on PCI-E 1.1 and vice versa..

You shouldn't cancel because of technology. Technology always makes advances and PCI-E 1.1 will be around for another 4 years or so... And if you do cancel, you going to be spending a lot more money for all the new stuff like the motherboard, 45nm chips, and 55/65nm GPUs =\

PCI-E 2.0 is just starting to trickle out and PCI-E 3.0 have already been announced for 2010.


The current X38 motherboard has support for the PCI-E 2.0 as well as DDR3. Question is, is it backward compatible with the DDR2 memory. If it is, I might just request DSO to order one for me instead of the 680i. I don't plan on using SLI since any newer high end card will outdo current SLI solutions anyway.

EDIT:
Seems like the Asus P5E motherboard is X38 chipset having PCI-E 2.0 support along with DDR2. The P5E3 Deluxe is the same except with DDR3 memory support. Currently no hybrids from ASUS are available.


http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131219

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Ram will only fit the specified slot. DDR3 does not fit DDR2 and vice versa.

If you are looking for hybrid boards, gigabyte offers a few.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128048


Edited by skyR - 21 Oct 2007 at 12:12am
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Originally posted by skyR

Ram will only fit the specified slot. DDR3 does not fit DDR2 and vice versa.

If you are looking for hybrid boards, gigabyte offers a few.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128048


That's P35 though. And I would probably go for DDR2 anyway. DDR3 is not going to be that big of a gain just 10% for a heck load of money. Id stick with DDR3 and get a PCI-E 2.0 compliant card, downgrade my current PSU from 1000 watt to 850W since I won't be using Nvidia SLI anyway on an X38 chipset (it doesn't support it, only crossfire). This is all assuming I get the X38..
 
On the other hand,

I could just wait for the 780i till 12th November with the PCI E 2.0 in it and Nvidia SLI, keep my order at DSO on hold till they get it, keep my PSU intact and just order the 780i from DSO when it shows up. I hope it comes in a DDR2 variety or even better a hybrid, then id be Set.

What do you think Skyr.
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My sense of the PCIe 1.x vs 2.0 power issue is that the new GPU's will be released with an optional power connection for use with PCIe 1.x, while that same card will be able to draw enough juice without using the additional power connection when seated in a PCIe 2.0 slot. High end cards will probably still need the addditional connection even with the additional power allowed with PCIe 2.0 while midrange cards will probably be designed to work within the constraints of PCIe 2.0  (possibly with that optional power connect to support PCIe 1.x users marketed as "overclocking support" for the PCIe 2.0 crowd).

This is my impression anyway. It's still new, and I'm taking it all in, trying to keep up and learn as best I can Wink.
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Originally posted by Tyler Lowe

My sense of the PCIe 1.x vs 2.0 power issue is that the new GPU's will be released with an optional power connection for use with PCIe 1.x, while that same card will be able to draw enough juice without using the additional power connection when seated in a PCIe 2.0 slot. High end cards will probably still need the addditional connection even with the additional power allowed with PCIe 2.0 while midrange cards will probably be designed to work within the constraints of PCIe 2.0  (possibly with that optional power connect to support PCIe 1.x users marketed as "overclocking support" for the PCIe 2.0 crowd).

This is my impression anyway. It's still new, and I'm taking it all in, trying to keep up and learn as best I can Wink.


Power is one thing though. What about bandwidth. If your new gen card is PCI 2.0 and expects a certain amount of bandwidth, you can put it into a PCI 1.1 but you will be bottlenecking the card and not using it at it's full capacity since you'd be limited by the capacity of your PCI-E 1.1 slot.
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Couldn't tell you for certain, but I do know this: if you wait until you're completely future proofed to dive into a system, you'll never own one. I'm going to move along happily with my new comp, because I am secure in the notion that by the time any of this truly matters, the entire system will be out of date and in need of replacement, probably just in time to start agonizing over whether or not to wait for DDR4 Tongue
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No one knows if manufacturers will take advantage of the bandwidth from 2.0... Just have to wait for benchmarks for a 2870 running on 1.1 and 2.0.

Doesn't matter what chipset you go with if you aren't interested in multiple card setups. I would go with the x38 because I am not a big fan of nvidia.
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They already switched from AGP to PCIe, because of that all gamers pretty much had to buy new computers.  are they not happy now, so now they have to go PCIe 2.0.  Personally, I don't think nothing will actually change from 1, 2.0, and 3.0, I believe it's just power consumption.  They would be basically retarded if they fazed out these ones to only go with the 2.0's making more people have to rebuy a computer within a matter of a year or 2 years.  retarded move.
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