8 core mashines?

you need to call DS and request a mobo that sits 2 cpus and then tell what cpus you want in there, you will either basically get a workstation mobo or wait for the new i7 skulltrial that should be exactly what you are looking for as it will run a desktop mobo and 2 cpus.

it will cost you and a leg if you want the highend cpus.

tho I understand how the second cpu would help you, my question is how necessary is it?

Edited by DST4ME - 19 Sep 2009 at 5:18pm

Well the i7 has 4 cores yes, but it also has 4 virtual cores, so you would get about the performance of a dual-cpu Mac (a little bit more due to i7 architecture).

That or you could use the Xeon 1366 dual-cpu server boards.... those run dual i7s, so 8 cores + 8 virtual cores = 16 cores basically.

DST: I do know of these 8-core macs, they are running dual Xeon C2Q if I remember right....

Which a single i7 w/ HT enabled will beat that, so I don't see the point really.

Edit:
They perform close enough, and on an i7 the architecture is powerful enough a Virtual core should almost equal a C2 core.


Edited by Zurginator - 19 Sep 2009 at 5:37pm

Originally posted by DST4ME that is what I was wondring, what kind of cpu is he talkind about, so ya, i7 with HT enabled will be a good contendar, plus with the i7 x58 platform he can upgrade to the 6 core cpus coming out in 2010. so jabbaworks we just need to set you up with a custom config here, now what resolution will you be gaming at? Thanks for that info Zurginator

No problem, it's awesome to finally tell the all-knowing guy something. xP

Originally posted by jabbaworks hehe you guys are funny. here the link http://www.apple.com/macpro/ i was hoping the next gen mac pro would build on 2x i7's but so far no word. Virtual cores and hypertreading did not work so great on my P4, but I hear its better now. I have a 26inch samsung 1920x1200 lcd. I wanted to go with one GTX295 to have some power for the future, no need for sli. CPU 2.6 OC to 4GHZ with frostbite for cpu and 1x gtx. harddrive wise I want an  2x sdd raid 0 for OS, 160GB total is fine and then prolly 1TB western digital for data. I will build an external SAS raid soon In case I have to do more HD video editing. I had a ticket number somewhere but cant find it right now. ram at least 12GB better 16GB.

That is 2x i7s. Lol they finally upgraded.

For the most part Macs run on server boards, so I would say do that in this case too if you really need it. Couple that with some 275s or 295s and you could crunch some data.

Originally posted by Zurginator [QUOTE=jabbaworks]hehe you guys are funny. That is 2x i7s. Lol they finally upgraded. For the most part Macs run on server boards, so I would say do that in this case too if you really need it. Couple that with some 275s or 295s and you could crunch some data.

thats what I mean, this config came out in april i think. macs are just overly expansive and it wont let you use all hardware (no gtx295) you want.

so do you think DS is able to get me  a skulltrail config? and more than one gpu wont help with these apps anyway.

Originally posted by DST4ME keep in mind that oced cpu will do the work faster then a dual core pc.

I do, but there is no reason I cant have 2cpus OC'ed ;)

Why is one gtx275 faster than one gtx 295 without sli? what games dont support sli these days? I rathe rhave once card in my systems than 2 a sI need my pci express slots.

You did not add the 2x ssd drives as main HDD

just click on the config and change what ever you like then press save and email and you will get the new config number.

for your use I added veloci instead cause ssd might not be the best choice for you, you would want an slc for your use and they cost an arm and a leg but if you want it then just added it, its all up to you.

you are right you can have 2 cpus oced and I have it for you below.

275 has higher settings then a 295, a 295 gives you a performance of 2 x 260 basically, maybe a little bitter, for games and things that don't supprot sli, (any apps or games) you will have to disable the internal sli of 295 leaving with performance of less then a single 275.

for 2 x 275 the cost is less and performance is better, the mobo I gave you in the last config has enough pci slots to run tri sli and use 2 more cards on top of that, so pci slot is not an issue.

no matter if you go 295 or 2 x 275 you are in sli, internal or external does not matter much at all.

now if you want a dual cpu system, that will cost you but here:

Here you go Ticket# 333177 --- Price: $8635 (To see this build click here) Price after current promotion $8135

Copy of Specifications:
Chassis Model: Digital Storm 950Si
Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish
Interior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish
Trim Accents: - Standard Factory Finish
Processor: 2x Dual (Intel Xeon W5580 3.20GHz (Nehalem EP Quad Core) (8MB Cache)
Motherboard: Intel Workstation Board S5520SC (Chipset: Intel 5520) (Supports Nehalem EP Xeons)
System Memory: 12GB DDR3 ECC Registered at 1066MHz (6x2GB Modules) Mushkin
Power Supply: 1200W PC Power & Cooling (Dual/Triple/Quad SLI Compatible) (Recommended)
Card Reader: Internal Digital Media Card Reader (Black)
Hard Drive Set 1: Operating System: 2x (300GB Western Digital VelociRaptor (10K RPM) (16MB Cache) (Extreme Speed)
Raid Controller: Integrated Motherboard Storage Controller
Set 1 Raid Options: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 2: Multimedia\Data: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 3: Backup\Misc.: - No Thanks
Optical Drive 1: DVD±R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 20x / CD-Writer 48x)
Optical Drive 2: - No Thanks
Internet Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections)
Video Card: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 275 896MB (Includes PhysX Technology)
Tesla Card(s): (Super Computing): - No Thanks
Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio
Capture Card: - No Thanks
Extreme Cooling: H20: Stage 3: Specialized FrostBite Separate Dual Loop System for CPU & Two Video Cards
Liquid Color:UV Redish Pink: Medium Glowing Non-conductive Fluid (Requires H20: Stage 3 & UV Lighting)
Chassis Airflow: Standard Factory Chassis Fans
Chassis Mods: 950Si Case Only: Processor & Video Card Area: Drill and Mount Two Side Window 120mm Fan Blow-Holes
Boost Processor: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my processor
Windows OS: Microsoft Windows Vista Ultimate (64-Bit Edition) With Windows 7 Upgrade Coupon
Restore Kit: Digital Storm Specialized Recovery System (DVD Image Based)
Virus Protection: - No Thanks
Office: - No Thanks
Benchmarking: - No Thanks
Adobe: (Design\Editing): - No Thanks
Autodesk: (3D Studio Max): - No Thanks
Autodesk: (Maya): - No Thanks
Autodesk: (Auto CAD Rivet): - No Thanks
Compositing: - No Thanks
Displays & 3D: - No Thanks
Surge Shield: - No Thanks
Speakers: - No Thanks
Keyboard: - No Thanks
Mouse: - No Thanks
External Storage: - No Thanks
On-Site Service: - No Thanks, This unit will be returned to the facility for service
Express Overnight Replacements: - No Thanks, Standard ground (3-5 Business days) replacement service is fine
Priority Build: - No Thanks, Ship Within 5-10 Business Days After Order Is Successfully Processed
Warranty: 3 Year Platinum Care Extended Parts & Labor Warranty

I'm not sure if the discount applies to these systems also but I went on ahead and applied it anyways, but it may not be applicable so just a heads up.

I left a few things out that you will have to add/change yourself but you get the basic idea.

your old pc feels slow cause it is, its running at 2.5GHz, more cores = more multi tasking, not more speed, well sometimes they do but a faster processor can get things done faster then a slower dual processor.



Edited by DST4ME - 19 Sep 2009 at 6:20pm

Originally posted by Zurginator WoW doesn't, and actually a surprising lot. 275 SLI is faster and cheaper than 295, trust DST, he knows what he is doing.

I guess I thought a gtx295 is actually just a sli on a board 2x 285gpu
so i can see that 2x 285 might be faster than 1x 295. *confused*

Originally posted by DST4ME yes both 275 and 285 in dual sli are faster then 1 x 295. however the difference between 275 and 285 is so little that basically get the same performance out of both of them so there is no point to spend extra money on 285. did you see the workstation config I posted for you?

ok accepted ;)

i saw the config and wonder how you created it ;)

http://www.digitalstormonline.com/comploadsaved.asp?id=333180
333180 is my new ticket number. I changed the cpu to a comparable 2x 2.26ghz 8 core and got the price down to 6k.
it only shows one gtx275 though.


Edited by jabbaworks - 19 Sep 2009 at 7:07pm

ah I see. I guess 2 i7 core would be enough instead of the xeons but yeah at leats now were in the same range as a macpro price wise ;)

post pics of your ds system when you buy it and get it in. I like to look at other peoples ds systems and drool  :)