850 si case

could anyone tell me about this case is it coolermaster stacker 830?

go with the HAF, its a better case and you can just go with stage 2 cooling case the HAF is already at stage 3 stock

I would take/recommend an HAF stage 2 cooling against the 850 with Stage 3 cooling anyday.

850 is not the biggest case we have as far as I know. Even if you call ds they will tell you that the 950 is bigger then the 850 with more room, its not even comparable to HAF.

OK boss so based on less then 1 inch difference, but HAF has more vents and bigger fans which makes it better for air flow and more quiet.

the 850 costs $80 more, and you have to take to stage 3 to match HAF on stage2.

it also does not have the extras HAF has, again no fan for the HDD either.

and I don't think 1 inch qualifies it as

Originally posted by Tyler Lowe The 850i offers the largest interiors of any case DSO offers which translates into outstanding air cooling potential

so you think less then one inch makes it into outstanding air cooling potential? man its real easy to please you, I'm sorry you have to show me an amount of space that has meaning, less then 1 inch is meaning less.

I believe the biggest interior case we have is the cosmos s, but apparently the touch sensor is a crap shoot

Now to figure out why DS keeps telling everybody, including me that the 850 is smaller then 950.

KB even said it in another thread.

Edited by DST4ME - 28 Sep 2008 at 8:57pm

I'm sorry are you trying to say that less then one inch makes the 850si better in airflow? cause if you are then with all due respect:



I think the bigger/more vents of the HAF and the bigger fans of HAF will create better difference then less then one inch of space, its not even one inch.

Also by the time you by the 850 and put 9 fans in it (stage 3) you have spend over $200 extra.

you know in reality that space amounts to nothing, 850 is a great case but the haf has much better air flow, its in stage 3 and it costs less.

You yourself said that taking haf to stage 3 can be over kill.

now for example, if somebody asks me if a q9450 is a good chip and I know they can get the q9550 for the same price or less then I won't just tell them that q9450 is good chip and leave out the info that they can get a q9550 for the same price.



Edited by DST4ME - 28 Sep 2008 at 10:19pm

This is between me and TL and we are just having a discussion, he has said stuff to me before, he knows I'm not laughing at him, its the theory, he knows that.

HM what got into you man?

LT you ask that question cause its a possibility.

I can't in all goodness, ask a person to spend more in a case and then pay more for air cooling just to do what the HAF can do right off the bat.

Money is better spent on other things.

As we get the new customers with HAF we will ask them their temps and we will see which is really better. HAF has my money, I've askes Alex few times if I should go with cosmos s or HAF and he said HAF, so if he is recommending the HAF. The case is stage 3 stock.

I'm not gonna spend people's money on a 850 when they can do just great with an HAF.

850 is a great case so is 950 but you can do the same with less if you choose HAF.

Edited by DST4ME - 29 Sep 2008 at 1:01am

erm....Individual results may vary of course...lol

THX for that info mezzeron, if the fans are cranked up I guess there would be alot of noise, so my question would be were the fans at like 80 or 90% or what?

and yes 3C like I said, it won't mount to much

Man I would love the pics, honestly I like it because for the price its a great cool case air or liquid, if it was not for that, I would not like the case.

secondary reasons is looks, the water cooling, number ports in the front and the fact that Alex likes the case.

Edited by DST4ME - 28 Sep 2008 at 11:39pm

That's where we differ DST4ME. I'm saying that the 850i can offer a higher level of performance than the HAF *once upgraded to stage 3 cooling*. The expense involved is a value judgement, and subject to each individual's sensibilities. I will give you an example from one of our recent discussions on performance.

Edited by Tyler Lowe - 28 Sep 2008 at 11:56pm

Mezzeron, yes, the 9800GX2 is an SLI'd pair of cards housed in the same fan shroud with an integrated SLI controller. So it's SLI that will work on any motherboard that supports a PCI-e x16 slot. Believe it or not, 9800GT/X in SLI can outperform a GT200 series card sometimes even an SLI pair of GT200 series cards. It really does depend on whether or not an application places higher demand on RAM bandwidth or on texture fill rates. I can only assume the price is related directly to production cost.

TL Mezzeron just offered us up some facts instead of theories, so based on that and my own theory, and I'm sure we will see no difference or better cooling from our HAF customers, I disagree with you.

I said there would be little difference, they both have same fans and the difference is minimal, I'm pretty sure if we replace and add all the fans the cases can take you would still see a minimal difference that does not justify the price of the 850 vs HAF.

Till I see proof thats its any difference, IMHO its just theory.

If you don't agree, and I'm sure you don't, we will just have to agree to respectfully, disagree.

the size difference of 850 and 950 that DS says they have is a bit of mystery still tho. lol

Edited by DST4ME - 29 Sep 2008 at 12:10am

Originally posted by Mezzeron wow...now that is quite amazing.    Reason why i was asking, is ive heard alot of issues with the computer only seeing 512mb of video upon installing.   Don't get me wrong, i love my 9800 gtx oc2, i play crysis on high (no aa), and rarely have any slowdowns, its totally flawless on med-high though.  That makes me happy by itself.

I have not heard of this problem Mezzeron, what is it?

Edited by Tyler Lowe - 29 Sep 2008 at 12:31am

TL

Yeah, the rest of the game was silky on VH (medium objects) settings if I ran at... hmm.. I think it was 1400x900, but I can't be 100% sure now. It only the final fight that was horrifically bad. I finally just gave up trying to tweak and set everything to medium, 1680x1050. I also know that Crysis is a memory bandwidth hog, so even SLI 9800GTX is going to have limits.

Edited by Tyler Lowe - 29 Sep 2008 at 12:41am

I hated the ending..didn't seem like a game ender, just a pre boss boss..lol

Well now that is not fair, any case with fans at 100% can't be recommended as a quiet solution, an 850si with 100% is not a quiet solution either, its just not as loud as the HAF, in lower setting tho the HAF should be more quiet cause it takes less rpm to run the bigger fan, but the bigger fans once they get going over 60% will make more noise.

Now DS themselves will tell you to quiet down any case they will lower the fan.

Mezzeron never said how much louder HAF was then the 850. He also has said after knowing how loud it is, he wishes he had one, so it must not be that bad if he wants an HAF instead of the 850, and he is not the first 850 or 950 case owner here that has said the same exact thing "I wish the HAF was out when I was ordering my system".

at lower settings is when the quiet comes into play.

but noise is also a matter of perception, to me its got to be loud for me to notice it, but maybe your room is very quiet and you will notice the smallest thing, so that is going to be hard to judge IMHO.

maybe they can tell us what they think with the fans on a low settings

Edited by DST4ME - 29 Sep 2008 at 12:57am

I totally disagree, and am sorry you feel that way.

I acknowledged what TL said but I disagreed, I don't see how me looking at it from both sides then deciding that in real life most likely this side of the argument will hold water is called me being biased toward the HAF and not willing to even see that any other case could possibly be better.

LOL its not like I'm not understanding what he is saying, and in theory it does kinda add up, however the difference at the end of the day is not going to be noticeable in my opinion and so far there is one case that points toward this side.

With all due respect if you gonna accuse me of not being objective then atleast do so with some proof, just because I don't agree with others it means I'm not objective? it sounds like you just want me to follow what TL or who ever else's opinion blindly.

I also don't see how I'm biased toward the HAF? why? am I getting a kick back? because Its in stage 3, and offers great cooling ,and it would be the case I would get, there for its the case I recommend to everybody else, I'm biased? LOL that like me telling TL and KB they are biased because they have a 950si, I'm sure there is some of that, but if the case is in fact a good case then I hardly think I can in all fairness say they are biased toward the 950si and that is the only reason they say its good. Which is not true, as I said the 950 and 850 are great cases, IMHO tho HAF is a better case cooling/money wise.

Lastly I don't understand why you need to leave, if I said something to upset you or offend you I apologize.


In my defence, why don't we ask the people I helped if they think I have a god attitude or if I gave them bad advise or was unhelpful, cause the reason I'm here is to help people who don't know much and can benefit from what I know.

Edited by DST4ME - 29 Sep 2008 at 5:04am