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Post Date: 2008-04-04
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    Posted: 04 Apr 2008 at 4:54pm
I was going to purchase a new comp today with 9800 GTX x 2 but after speaking with a DS sales person they told me the 9800 will be going bye bye after June and the 8800 768MB GTX x 2 does a better job then 9800 GTX x2 and a 9800GX2. Is this true?
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If you already have 8800GTX SLI, there is no reason to get the new series.

But if you don't already have 8800GTX SLI, the 9800GTX or GX2 is a good buy.

Nvidia does plan to replace the 9800 series sometime in the summer.
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yes seems like it will be a short lived run...
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  Quote Joe Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 04 Apr 2008 at 8:59pm
I have read reviews and benchmarks from anand and tomshardware..yes, if you have 2 8800 GTX there is no reason to buy the 9800..I understand that.
Why would the sales of DS recommend buying 8800 GTX x2 over 9800 GTX x2 when the 9800 SLI has better benchmarks? (he said they were worse in all games but unreal tournament)
 
Tom's hardware
"The end result is that Nvidia has taken care of business with this GeForce 9800 GTX. It delivers very good performance, better than the 8800 GTX' (by an average of 7%)"
 
Yes, the 8800 Ultra beats the 9800 GTX in most but you can't buy that anymore......
The only reason I can think that the sales person pitched this is that the 8800 GTX x2 = around 250 buck more then 9800 GTX x2. Makes me wonder about this company now........
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That could be the case,

But also keep in mind the 8800GTX and 9800GTX are not really the same technical speaking, the 88 has a greater memory bus, and a larger overall memory. As youve maybe read in some reviews, the nvidia 512 cards suffer from running out of memory now and then, especially when AA at high resolutions is enabled. In these cases the 88 GTX would be the superior card as it has more overall horsepower, just not as fast.
 
Though for the majority of games out there, and especially if you are doing a new system, the 9800GTX will be a better buy for the money. Only in high resolutions with AA and other filters enabled would you see a benifit of having a 88GTX.
 
id say its about a 60% chance he was trying to "upsell" which in fact most companies would do.
 
 
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Yeah, it's just disappointing....
I read in reviews that sales would help make a better computer...even if it was cheaper....I guess that is not true.
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eh, im not totally sure it was on purpose still, i cant seem to find any reviews 9800GTX vs 8800GTX where they actually turn AA on at a decently resolution....
 
I can see some logic behind their pitch, its not like they are trying to dump something totally useless on you. Because like i said, the 88GTX has a higher texture fill rate, memory bus, overall memory amount, etc
 
I found a review where they actually use AA now and then...You might want to go back and read the whole thing, but this highlights one game WiC where the 8800GTX overtakes the 9800GTX. I just wanted to show an example. I still would recommend a 9800GTX mostly because 80% of the time its faster then a 88GTX and you wont run into the memory problems too often, (maybe in the future?) and well..obviously the price difference.
 


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Sometimes in sales, you can get comfortable recommending a product. If you have never worked as a salesman, it can be difficult to really understand. You get comfortable with a product because you have received positive feedback on it.  So when someone asks you for your personal recommendation, it's hard to get away from a "tried and true" product. Sometimes, when a newer product is released, it takes a while to "unlearn" responses that have been correct for a period of months or even years.

When I called to place my order, the salesman I dealt with, tried his level best to help me to save a few dollars on my system. As usual, I was too pigheaded to listen, so he had to sell me some things he would not recommend. This was fine, as I wanted those things, and I knew exactly where he was coming from.

OK, so that was a long-winded way to say this, but:

"Don't be so fast to pass judgement"

One small note about all those release day benchmarks: Nvidia held back on updating the drivers for the 8800 series cards during the launch of the 9800GTX. Now why would they go and do a thing like that? Hmmm... Stern%20Smile


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Their will always be something new coming out; which is so damn frustrating; so get what you want or like.  If you wait till the next new thing comes out you'll hear about another model that will be coming out 5 months from then; you can't do that or you wont ever have a rig.  Get what you like and upgrade in a year if you want the newest and best thing. 
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Interesting reading these messages. I just ordered a new system. I had 2x sli 9800gtx picked out and the sales rep suggested going with 2x sli 8800gts because they were out performing the 9800gtx. I'm not on a budget and just want to make the best pick. He also said no problem going with 2x 8800gtx but 250$ more but with this i would need 1000w psu which i went ahead and got even with the gts. I'll be useing a 27 inch monitor. Stage 3 cooling also.
 
I can change my order i guess. What's the best option?
2x 8800gts
2x 8800gtx +250
2x 9800gtx
 
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I am rather surprised that it was suggested that with air cooling, a 750W power supply would be insufficient for a pair of 8800GTX cards. I will leave this observation at that.

A 9800GTX *is* a 8800GTS for all intents and purposes. There are very few differences, other than the fact a 9800GTX has a second SLI bridge and slightly higher clocks. Any significant performance difference is driver based. Where the 9800 appears to have a real advantage is the imprvements NVidia has made to the reference cooling.

All things considered, if they are the same price, I would just get the 9800GTX. It's a factory overclocked 8800GTS with a better fan. Sounds like a good thing to me. The nice thing about having that 1000W PSU, is should NVidia ever get it's act together when it comes to tri SLI drivers, you'd be able to handle a third card should you so choose.
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Posts: 129 		  Quote Richsi Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 06 Apr 2008 at 3:36am
Funny thing it was recommended to me to go with the 8800 GTS 512MB dual cards also over the 9800 GTX's. I wonder about that? I'm with you Tyler a better fan in the 9800 GTX sounds like a good plan to me! I have also heard in this community the 8800 GTS 512MB cards have heating issues, what's the real truth I ask you!
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