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    Posted: 27 Jun 2010 at 1:37pm
Okay, well I'll preface by saying that I've never used DigitalStorm before, but I've also never made such a high dollar PC purchase before, and from everything I've read/researched, these guys are pretty much the acme of the industry, so thank you to DS for knowing that quality and customer service are paramount to staying in business.

Moving along, I currently run at a resolution of 1650x1080 (16:10), but I may plan to migrate to 1920x1080 at some point down the road, and do sometimes hook my PC up to my TV for viewing on a larger screen (99% of the time this is movies, the other 1% is when I'm gaming and can't get out to get a new monitor when mine busts.)

So here are my questions, with the rig specs to follow:

  1. Will a 1000w PSU be sufficient to provide the juice to this rig and keep it stable assuming I take the free CPU overclock and no other tweaking to voltages, and...
  2. If it is, would it be able to push two of the GPUs (gtx480) in SLi should I decide to double up somewhere down the road?... and if not...
  3. What would you guys recommend as far as PSU output to keep SLi cards as a possibility?


Specs:

Chassis Model: Special Deal Hot Seller - Black OPS Assassin Edition
Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish
Trim Accents: - Standard Factory Finish
Processor: Intel Core i7 Extreme Edition 980X 3.33GHz (Hexa-Core) (Extreme Performance)
Motherboard: ASUS P6X58D Premium SLI (Intel X58 Chipset) (Features USB 3.0 and SATA 6Gb/s)
System Memory: 6GB DDR3 1600MHz Corsair Dominator with DHX Extreme Edition
Power Supply: 1000W Corsair (Dual/Triple/Quad SLI Compatible)
Expansion Bay: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 1: Operating System: 1x (40GB Solid State (By: Intel) (Extreme Performance) (Model: X25-M MLC Edition)
Set 1 Raid Options: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 2: Multimedia\Data: 1x (500GB Western Digital (16MB Cache) (7200 RPM) (SATA)
Hard Drive Set 3: Backup\Misc.: - No Thanks
Optical Drive 1: DVD-R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 24x / CD-Writer 48x)
Optical Drive 2: - No Thanks
Internet Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections)
Video Card: 1x NVIDIA GeForce GTX 480 1.5GB (Includes PhysX Technology)
Add-on Card: - No Thanks
Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio
Extreme Cooling: AIR: Stage 1: Noctua Dual 120mm Fans High Performance Cooler (Compatible With ONLY i7 Processors)

As a footnote, I note that the PSU does say it's dual/triple/quad compatible, but I also know that the gtx480 draws a /lot/ of juice, and the 980x won't be a slouch either when OC'd.

Thanks to anyone who can offer any insight!

Edited by SlamDancinMoogle - 27 Jun 2010 at 1:39pm
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  Quote Dragoonseal Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 27 Jun 2010 at 1:46pm
What will this PC be used for? A 980X is extremely premium priced overkill for most things. Most notably gaming, a 980X won't benefit you in gaming in the least. Premium price RAM is also a waste for.. well actually pretty much anything, but especially gaming.

ASUS customer service and firmware update support sucks, go with an EVGA motherboard.

A 1000w PSU is not enough for 480s, you'll want a 1200w or 1250w.
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  Quote SlamDancinMoogle Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 27 Jun 2010 at 1:54pm
Thanks for the reply :D

980x will definitely benefit gaming while livestreaming the game, and I also do a lot of photoshop work and a bit of 3d rendering on the side.

As far as premium price RAM, I always believe you get what you pay for with RAM, but maybe I'll have to take into account that DS doesn't use bargain bin RAM as their generic choice. As far as ASUS, I love them :P Call me a fanboy, but every MoBo I use is an ASUS and I've never had a problem that I didn't cause with them.

and back to the main point, the 1000w won't run even 1? Or are you saying it wouldn't be able to handle SLi down the line? Because I'm still on the fence as to whether or not I'll even bother with SLi proofing when the solo 480 will be able to handle almost anything I throw at it at this point.

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  Quote ablahblah Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 27 Jun 2010 at 2:30pm
the 1000w won't be able to take your SLI config, 1250 supposedly can eat two 480s.

asus, eh, I won't get in the way of that. they do kickass, have to admit. then again, you really wanna get an asus board now? wait until the Immensity with Lucid Hydra hits

go with DS ram. just do it. lol.

what exactly is your budget though....because we're just reconfigging it at the moment, if we knew a budget limit, we could start tacking on stuff instead :D
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  Quote Mr. Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 27 Jun 2010 at 2:34pm
the 750W TX would run u 1 gtx 480, 1250W is just for if you want to go sli 480's in the future. The 980X rly seems like an overkill though cause are you OCing it yourself? if your not even going to OC it yourself and u take the stage 1 OC from DS then its rly just a big waste. 
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  Quote Dragoonseal Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 27 Jun 2010 at 3:22pm
Originally posted by SlamDancinMoogle

980x will definitely benefit gaming while livestreaming the game, and I also do a lot of photoshop work and a bit of 3d rendering on the side.

I very highly doubt livestreaming would impact performance more on a 930 than on a 980X. But for photoshoping, and rendering and such by all means if the 980X is in your budget go for it.

Originally posted by SlamDancinMoogle

As far as premium price RAM, I always believe you get what you pay for with RAM, but maybe I'll have to take into account that DS doesn't use bargain bin RAM as their generic choice.

I know if you are buying from Newegg or something then quality is a definite concern, but not with DS. DS used to buy hand tested RAM exclusively from Mushkin, but eventually Mushkin was unable to keep up with DS's demand so they expanded their suppliers to include Super Talent and Kingston. I definitely wouldn't consider any of these brands as no-name or low quality. But more than than that, DS also stress tests anything they send you so you're virtually guaranteed to not get defective or substandard RAM that can't run at spec.

So that just leaves the performance side of things, and is where the real issue lies. RAM prices ramp up really quickly for premium rated speed or timings, you go from bang for the buck prices to highway robbery prices in the snap of a finger. The problem is that bang for the buck RAM is already very fast and not a bottleneck unless you are really pushing high overclocks, and even then only in certain applications. But to be fair, a highly overclocked 980X running very CPU and memory intensive media editing applications is probably one of the few situations that could have a decent gain from faster RAM, but you still have to be careful to not blow hundreds of extra dollars on marginal gains from faster RAM when that money could of been better spent in other areas of the PC.

And for memory devouring media editing applications it may just be more worthwhile to purchase more RAM instead of better RAM, because sometimes you just can't have enough.

Originally posted by SlamDancinMoogle

and back to the main point, the 1000w won't run even 1? Or are you saying it wouldn't be able to handle SLi down the line? Because I'm still on the fence as to whether or not I'll even bother with SLi proofing when the solo 480 will be able to handle almost anything I throw at it at this point.

My mistake, I did leave out a key word there. A 1000w isn't enough for two 480. A 750w is plenty for a single 480 system, but you have to move up to something closer to 1200w or 1250w to support two 480s, so there is definitely an annoying price gap there. Up to you if you want to just go with a 750w and stick to single card setups in the future.
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  Quote SlamDancinMoogle Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 27 Jun 2010 at 7:49pm
Thanks for the input so far guys, though I'm not asking anyone to reconfig anything, if you're having fun, by all means, I enjoy seeing others' takes on things, though I am pretty cemented in my decisions (sans RAM, which I am now rethinking, thanks to Dragoon's insight into DS' RAM quality) so don't take it as an offense if I reject a change.

And thank you for the responses on my PSU issue, which is really what I am clueless on. Glad to know I can step down a notch to a 750w, and still be fine. I figure I probably won't be going SLi in the near future, but even if I do, getting a PSU and chucking it in is easier than making a grilled cheese.

Plus if anything, I figure that if I do upgrade my GPU, I'll move to the 490 when it comes out, and since that's basically the 4xx series answer to the 295, I should be golden (aside from the rig being a veritable fireball of heat)

Also, for ablahblah, the budget I've figured out for myself is about 4600$~ after CA tax and shipping (this leaves me enough room for liquid cooling further down the list of specs).

And @Mr. : It is a bit overkill just for gaming, but as I stated earlier, I do a lot of Photoshopping with very large canvases, as well as some side work with 3d rendering, where the 980x will really benefit me when I want it to, but I appreciate the words of warning on 'going too far' :P.

Again guys, thanks for the correspondence, I definitely appreciate the answers to the PSU question, now I'm a bit more at ease, and I think I'll just drop to a 750w since I don't need the 1000 now or later.
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