A question for all...Post Date: 2010-01-30 |
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Frozen Anvil
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Topic: A question for all...Posted: 30 Jan 2010 at 3:20pm |
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I was chatting with my brother the other day about computers and computer games. We are both in the market for new rigs and are very familiar with DS and these boards.
Our conversation touched all the areas of a new computer purchase discussion: monitor, games, GPU, PSU, SLI, etc. I realized in that conversation that the games on the current market will run at max/almost max settings on a simple quad 2.6. We were customizing a computer for games that haven't been created yet. Sure, Crysis is a graphical masterpiece, but the game itself is not that great. Most people are playing WoW, Dragon Age Origins, CoX, Guild Wars (and GW 2 whenever it comes out) and your garden variety of other older shooters. All of which can be played on a 'Dell XPS' or anything with a decent speed processor, GPU and PSU, and a capable monitor with a great frame rate and graphics. Is it simply a case of trying to extend the supremacy of your rig against a fast moving tech industry? What am I going to do with an OC'd 3.5, with 1000+ Ram and two 5870's? Besides hoping that some developer will create a MMORPG that demands a beast rig and that is so good, everyone and their mother is on that game. That game doesn't exist. Does it simply come down to the desire to own a Maserati vs a nice sporty Acura? ANY "gaming rig" that hits all the major areas of what a gaming rig should have will be able to run any game on the market (besides the flashy and substance free Crysis) at high resolutions with a great frame rate. So why build a monster LC OC'd gaming beast? I am certainly not against it. I wouldn't have found this site and made many a config if I wasn't interested. I just don't remember what exactly I was building this super gaming rig for... ![]() |
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justin.kerr
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Posted: 30 Jan 2010 at 4:34pm |
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high resolution and max settings, with most games designed for PC, not consoles, will need more power than there is available today. for low res, low settings, you are right it does not take much of a PC to run the games fine. |
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Frozen Anvil
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Posted: 30 Jan 2010 at 4:36pm |
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Is everyone soul searching?
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Frozen Anvil
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Posted: 30 Jan 2010 at 4:38pm |
What in blazes are you talking about? |
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justin.kerr
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Posted: 30 Jan 2010 at 5:17pm |
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DST4ME
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Posted: 30 Jan 2010 at 5:20pm |
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I like to see run any game at 2560 x 1600 with high aa and af with 1 x 5870.
that is what in blazes he is talking about. also not every person that gets a pc wants does so just for gaming, they do other things, and if you think the 3.5Ghz speed and ram don't make no difference there, then you are mistaken. now what in blazes are you talking about? Edited by DST4ME - 30 Jan 2010 at 5:21pm |
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justin.kerr
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Posted: 30 Jan 2010 at 5:23pm |
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3 5870's with 5Ghz 6 core chip will not even be able to hit the new monitors refresh rate with just the 120Mhz screens let alone 240Mhz and with multi cards you should run at double the refresh rate, so we are very under powered, but with a 19" monitor with low settings, almost any GPU on the market will run the game ok.
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DST4ME
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Posted: 30 Jan 2010 at 5:29pm |
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Ya will low settings you can get whatever gpu you want, but up the res and settings and you will need power.
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Frozen Anvil
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Posted: 30 Jan 2010 at 8:41pm |
This makes more sense. I understand what in blazes you are talking about. So we are agreed that any game currently on the market will run just fine, on high settings, on a standard quad 2.5 gaming machine and most 150$ graphics cards? Sure, you can't run 2560x1600 but wouldn't that make icons and what not very very small? I'm sure it would be detailed but 1680x1050 is high enough. |
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Frozen Anvil
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Posted: 30 Jan 2010 at 8:43pm |
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For one of the hottest games on the market the config to achieve max settings are only: CPU: Intel Core 2 Quad 2.4Ghz or equivalent
RAM: 4 GB (Vista) or 2 GB (XP) Video: ATI 3850 512 MB or greater |
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Frozen Anvil
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Posted: 30 Jan 2010 at 9:13pm |
If you don't know what I'm talking about perhaps you can re-read my original post or I can stated it more clearly: You can run all the hottest new titles (not Crysis) at max settings and 1680x1050 on a quad 2.5-3.0, 750W, ONE 5870 or equivalent, 4-6gb of Ram. That system is well below any monster system you can config on DS. So, the question from the original post remains. What is the motivation behind dropping 3grand for a gaming computer to run current and upcoming games at max when you can achieve this for much less since the games that will need that type of power aren't even in development stages yet? I'm not the enemy here. I love DS and I love configing bad a** gaming rigs with LCD, Digital read outs and two or three monster GPU's. I just forgot why I was making something so powerful... |
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justin.kerr
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Posted: 30 Jan 2010 at 9:20pm |
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no high resolution does not make icons small. lol the larger the monitor the higher the resolution/.
Crysis is a woosy game compared to many of the new games, it is nearly 3 years old.
even Dragons age likes fast CPU's I have 8 threads at nearly 5Ghz and will have a much more powerful CPU soon. lol and it still won't be enough.
remember at max settings with a lot of newer games, even at a low res like you stated 1680x1050, if you have 120Mhz monitor, it is very hard to keep min frames at 120FPS with the new GPU's. let alone 240Mhz. no GPU can do that even on easy to run games. at high res, or medium res.
Yes you can play the game, but why not play it with all the eye candy, and buttery smooth, otherwise get an PS3 if you want to just play a game, it will look like crap, but you can play it. lol
you can't have too powerful of a system, only not powerful enough. then imagine 3 30" monitors with eyeinfinity, also Nvidia will have its own version so that is 7680 x 4800 resolution.. no graphics card even 5 years from now could run the demanding games at max settings 240 FPS min, no way, not even close.. Edited by justin.kerr - 30 Jan 2010 at 9:24pm |
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Kinesis
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Posted: 30 Jan 2010 at 9:53pm |
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Justin that will actually be 7680x1600,the vertical res will remain with 3 x30" spread across in landscape,or go for broke(literally :P) and double that up(3x30x2) for
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justin.kerr
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Posted: 30 Jan 2010 at 10:35pm |
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haha yeah I was thinking of 3 high.. oops got a bit too far in the future there.
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Frozen Anvil
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Posted: 30 Jan 2010 at 10:55pm |
Are you playing this game on 3 monitors? How is that system not capable of running DA at max settings? And what new games are pushing the CPU? |
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DST4ME
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Posted: 31 Jan 2010 at 12:53am |
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you know I read your first post over and over again and no where did you mention 1600 x 1200 res, you did however incorrectly state that
you can't even max out gta 4 even if you wanted too. also I didn't see anybody drop 3 grand to run a monitor with a res of 1600 x 1200. for 1900 x 1200 and being able to play crysis yes I have seen people do that, but that is what it takes to play crysis. we don't advise anybody here to spend 3 grand to run a 1600 x 1200 res. most of the people I have seen on this forum either have a 1900 x 1200 res or are going to get one right after the pc, the 1600 x 1200 res era is going to be over soon, now in days 1900 x 1200 is more and more normal and soon to follow is 2560 x 1600, once the refresh rate goes to 120MHz, it will be a whole new ball game. as far as cpu goes, you can find 20 fps difference or even higher between 3.3Ghz penryn and 920 at 2.6Ghz, so what quad core you use matters, after that, you can find 10fps or more difference between between a 920 at 2.6GHz and 920 at 3.6GHz, at 1600 x 1200. When you say highest settings are you including aa and af? cause I believe we are. nobody said you are an enemy, I thought we were discussing the subject you brought up.
in short nobody here does what you are saying (spend 3 grand for 1600 x 1200 res) and if you do see anybody dumb enough to do that, then smack them over the head for me. Edited by DST4ME - 31 Jan 2010 at 1:03am |
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Dragoonseal
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Posted: 31 Jan 2010 at 1:22am |
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I feel sad for anyone still playing in 1680x1050 or less. I feel even more sad for anyone still playing in 1600x1200, as this means they don't even have a widescreen display. So very sad.
Anti-aliasing has its limits how much it can improve low resolution jaggies. It is pretty inefficient anyway, I find I get better FPS at higher resolution (1900x1200) with little or no AA than at lower resolutions with higher AA. Plus higher resolutions usually give you the extra benefit of more hud/menu room. |
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