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Post Date: 2011-08-06

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    Posted: 06 Aug 2011 at 2:24am
Budget: up to $1700
Expectations: Runs Engineering programs and Games in a snappy fashion
Usage: Aerospace Engineering programs (e.g.: Solidworks, MATLab, Mathmatica, ect.) and Gaming
Special Needs: none that I am aware of
Configuration Ticket Number: 583584

Glad for any help.
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  Quote crux510 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 06 Aug 2011 at 2:26am
oh, and the GPUs I will be installing will be a pair of 2GB GTX 560s
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  Quote firestorm Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 06 Aug 2011 at 2:44am
A better configuration ticket would be: #583589

http://www.digitalstormonline.com/comploadraven.asp?id=583589

Don't know if you really need the Blu-ray player, but that should work for you better. With the deal going on right know it will be below $1700.
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  Quote crux510 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 06 Aug 2011 at 3:23am
Two more things I now feel compelled to say and a clarification on the budge:
I want the Raven case because the I/O ports are on top. This is important because I will be in a dorm room with limited space and I would like the computer to be close to the wall in back, if at all possible.

Second, Overclocking is highly superfluous for the applications that this computer will be used for. All of the engineering programs that will be used are optimized for CUDA and honestly 3.4GHz*4 is plenty of power for almost any application. OC only increases bragging rights...which are irrelevant for this build.

Also The $1700 is a hard-cap. Ideally I would like the system to be $1600 with the $65 shipping, but I am giving myself some headroom.
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  Quote firestorm Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 06 Aug 2011 at 3:51am
Those really would've been helpful in the first post.

http://www.digitalstormonline.com/comploadraven.asp?id=583609

The fan upgrade is a waste of time, the a70 is good enough for your needs. And just put a different mobo in.
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  Quote crux510 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 06 Aug 2011 at 6:40pm
Thanks for the help, sorry about omitting that information it skipped my mind on the first post.
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 06 Aug 2011 at 7:22pm
CPU is the brain of your pc, the higer the OC the faster your pc in all tasks, windows for example, just about any cpu dependent things done will be that much faster, a pc with 4.5GHz oc will be much faster in all tasks then a pc at 3.4GHz, so its not bragging right, benchmarking is where the oc bragging rights it at and for those numbers (extreme ocs pass 5.0GHz) you could not run the pc at 24/7 cause you would fry the cpu.

Now if your apps use cuda, is this a scenario where you would benefit from 4 gpus vs 2 gpus if possible?

also wouldn't a 580 do much better for you in cuda then 560? or is that because of budget?

I thought Solidworks was cpu dependent

what res you gonna be gaming at?
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  Quote crux510 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 06 Aug 2011 at 8:14pm
I understand all of this, but Intel turbo-boost will work perfectly well for my needs, it is cheaper and will take it up to 4.4GHz if that power is required.

4 gpus are not possible at this time, but yes there would be a benefit.

duel 580s would be better, and much more expensive, but I already have two 560s for a reason I don't feel like explaining here.

Solidworks supports CUDA now.

My monitor's native resolution is 1920x1080
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 06 Aug 2011 at 8:26pm
intel turbo boost can't take all 4 cores to 3.9 let along 4.4.

when you say 4 gpus are not possible you mean budget-wise right?

Solidworks supports cuda but isn't still mainly cpu dependent?

for games like bf3 and metro if you want to play at highest settings and high aa sli 560 is not gonna be best, plus a year from now and 2 years from now they are not gonna be doing that great either with some of the newer games coming out, just fyi, I understand budget.
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  Quote Dragoonseal Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 06 Aug 2011 at 8:39pm
Originally posted by crux510

I understand all of this, but Intel turbo-boost will work perfectly well for my needs, it is cheaper and will take it up to 4.4GHz if that power is required.

This isn't accurate. A 2600k's base clock is only 3.4GHz, and the built in Turbo Boost can only add an additional +100/200/300/400MHz if there are 4/3/2/1 cores currently being used, respectfully. So it will only OC to a maximum of 3.8GHz for a single core if only a single core is being stressed.

A manual overclock from DS is what will bring it up to 4.4GHz+, on all four cores. This is an exceptional increase in power for just the cost of a CPU cooler.
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  Quote crux510 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 06 Aug 2011 at 10:14pm
alright, I am not going to spend money to OC my processor, so I assume you will recommend the free OC to ~3.9GHz

budget is exactly why higher than duel 560s is not possible

Solidworks I believe uses the GPU for rendering and simulations and CPU for everything else.

a year from now, if I feel like my vid cards are not cutting it anymore, the 600 series will have come out and the 580s will drop in price, also by that time I will have more cash.

Also, I feel I need to explain what system I am coming from: Phenom [email protected] and GT 8600...my standards for what counts as 'playable' are probably slightly less than yours. I am content with playing shooters at 20 FPS. This will be a huge step up no matter what.
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 07 Aug 2011 at 1:44am
The higher the oc the faster the cpu part of solidworks and other apps gets done, there is a good difference between 3.9GHz and 4.7Ghz for example.

these new cpus like the 2600K can do those numbers easy with less stress, in short they will live for at least 8 years or longer, the older cpus in that range would be under higher stress and would die much sooner.

We are just making sure you know all the facts before you order, don't think we are fighting you on the subject, at the end its your pc, you should get what makes you happy, we are just trying to get you most performance for your money.

If you go sli 580 on that psu, you better plan on getting a psu cause that 800w is not gonna do it for too long. Corsair themselves will not recommend that psu for sli 580, something to think about.

I understand where you are coming from with the perception but I think instead of focusing on that, you should focus on getting the most for your money, for example, instead of loud fan upgrade that money is better spend on stage 2 oc, where you will see a great amount of difference from turbo boost, vs the fan upgrade which is not needed and you will see nothing but noise from.

to be honest if you go with a different case I think you can save a $100 or $200, I know your reasons but isn't there anther case you can get that does not cost so much and is not in the more expensive side of blackops?
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  Quote crux510 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 07 Aug 2011 at 3:30am
http://www.digitalstormonline.com/comploadsaved.asp?id=583897

that is what I am now looking at, would you say this fits my bill?

thanks for the help so far!
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 07 Aug 2011 at 5:01am
that looks good as long as 8GB of ram is enough for what you are doing.

I like the corsair 1000w better it has a 5 year warranty and better performance/reliability, the one you picked has a 2 year warranty.

go win7 pro cause the premium has a 16GB total limit, with the sli 560 your system will be at total of 10GB, if you decide to add more ram in the future, you will exceed teh 16GB limit with home premium, but if you know that all you need is 8GB and you won't be adding ram in the future, then don't worry about it.
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