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    Posted: 22 Jul 2013 at 1:26pm
Hello all.
I'm started college soon and am looking to get a good laptop for school and also some 3d modeling/programming/design programs.
I've never heard a bad thing about digital storm so i figured i would look here first.
can anyone help me cover the specifications i would need for these?
im a PC newbie so any details on why certain things were chosen and why some weren't would be awesome!
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  Quote bprat22 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 22 Jul 2013 at 2:02pm
Hi paulkersey.... I don't do much with laptops, but the size, whether 13", 15" or 17" would depend on how portable you need it.    If you hike from one end of the campus to another, the smaller might save some work.

The internals.... the difference between the stage 1 and stage 3, for example, on the 13" is double the ram and a cpu processor with a little faster clock speed and larger cache.   Your 3d modeling might run a little smoother and quicker with the added ram and cache.

The more you can spend, the larger the screen, faster the video card, etc.

Others should be by with better info for you.

Good luck.
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  Quote paulkersey Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 22 Jul 2013 at 2:28pm
Well in terms of moving around campus very much the school i'll be intending has one computer building, so it will all pretty close together.
I saw in another post that larger laptops disperse heat better which would be a huge benefit i would think, and in terms of more ram and faster clock/GPU speed how exactly does this work?

i notice for instance the 17" lists a GPU with 3gb? what does this mean? and the 18" has 2 cards? is there a benefit to that?
also what exactly does the ram do in terms of the modeling and graphic programs? same question for the ever so slightly 1-2ghz speed differences
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  Quote bprat22 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 22 Jul 2013 at 2:51pm
Trying to explain exactly how system ram, video card vram, cpu clock speed and how it works with every program is way beyond the scope of the forum.   Basically, a 3d modelling program, depending on the level you do, will use lots of system ram to manipulate the data you are processing.   The more ram the easier the task.    Vram, the amount of ram on a video card, is used to process and display , render, the info the system ram has processed.    A sli, 2x video card rig, is used to quickly display a game where the two cards mirror, share, the same info, to help render the info to the screen.     Whats 30 fps with a single card struggling to display a heavy shooter, for example, will display 50-60 fps with a dual card setup.

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  Quote paulkersey Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 22 Jul 2013 at 3:13pm
ahh i see thank you for explaining that!
is the slight speed benefit of the i7 4800 - 4900 4930 that big of a deal?
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  Quote bprat22 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 22 Jul 2013 at 3:57pm
The difference in performance between 3.4 and3.8 can be seen but you'll pay for it. Not huge but a small degree.     The difference in cache size, 6 to 8 for example, can help if into heavy apps, but again, adds to the cost.   Chip makers charge alot for the higher clock and cache.      

I would stress the 16gb ram, a clock speed you can afford, being in college canstretch the wallet, and a single card unless you're into maxed out gaming.

Just me.    Others might differ.    Money talks.

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  Quote paulkersey Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 22 Jul 2013 at 4:06pm
thanks for all the info man! if anyone has anything else to add or wants to throw in their own 2 cents feel free to! the more information the better!
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  Quote paulkersey Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 22 Jul 2013 at 7:21pm
no more advice ehh?
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  Quote fstcvc Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 22 Jul 2013 at 8:12pm
3D modeling/rendering is tough on all components of computer. The faster the CPU & GPU and the more memory you have the merrier. You have to set a budget and then buy the best you can with it. 4-core/8-thread minimum on the processor, no less than 16GB RAM and best GPU that works into the budget. I recommend 15" display (good size but not too heavy) - unless its going to spend 99% of its life on a desk then go for a 17" (put 10lbs into a bag and try lugging it around for a while).

That's my 2¢.
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  Quote Tio Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 24 Jul 2013 at 5:34am
Heya @paulkersey,
Greetings and welcome to the forums.
I am gonna agree -w- everything that fstcvc has said before. the rig that I am having built will be doing a little bit of everything along with using Maya,Mudbox,Painter 12,Sketchbook proo and many others so I went -w- 32gb of ram to begin and probably will add another 32 gb to that in the coming months. I am also powering a Dell U3014 30" 2560x1600 monitor and an Asus 27" HD monitor as well as a Wacom Cintiq 24HD Graphics screen.anything pushing large amopunts of data around (such as 3d rendering)
needs a huge amount of ram to keep from making a big hit on your cpu (so more cores,faster processor) is needed in the CPU area as well.then of course yer gonna need the graphics engine to plow thru it all so the bigger the better thereas well.
I know it's a lot of info but those are pretty much the guidelines for your chosen area of study.hope it all helps and if you have more questions don't hesitate to throw em out here and we'll all try and help ya .
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  Quote paulkersey Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 24 Jul 2013 at 12:55pm
I'm not sure its possible to get 64GB of ram in a laptop though, so far this is what im looking at
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http://www.digitalstormonline.com/gaminglaptoploadcarbine.asp?id=853590
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  Quote Tio Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 24 Jul 2013 at 1:34pm
lol I don't think there are any laptops you can fit 64 gb of ram into (there may be a few but none come to mind atm).I was only putting those figures out there so you would have a bit of reference. the figures are those of the desktop DS is building for me right now. Rendering and all that takes up Ram,Processor cores and threads so get as much of both that you can within your given system (in your case the laptop).
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  Quote paulkersey Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 24 Jul 2013 at 1:49pm
what exactly do the threads do? and is 8 a big improvment over 6? in numbers what is it? around 10%?
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  Quote Tio Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 24 Jul 2013 at 2:14pm
In your top end CPU's you will find that they have a function called "Hyper Threading" these are basically virtualized cores .so if you have a 4 core cpu you then also have 8 virtual cores or "Threads" all of which greatly enhance the compute power of the cpu.if your were to have a 6 core cpu you would then have 12 virtual cores ie . more is better when it comes to graphics,3dvirtualisation and rendering. hhope all that made sence to ya bud.   
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  Quote bprat22 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 24 Jul 2013 at 2:16pm
Not sure this will come out right, but basically, simplified, and not exact, a thread is a path for a single process.   A core is a hardware device such as a processor.   A thread is a software function within each core.   For a i5 cpu with 4 core, 4 thread, it can carry out 4 lines of code or processing at a time.   A i7 with 4 core and hyperthreading 8 thread can carry out 8 functions at a time. This doesn't mean a 4 core/ 8 thread does double the speed over 4core/4 thread because in the end the core does the bulk of the work.    Your guess at 10% for 4 vs 8 thread is probably pretty close.

Hope this makes sense.


Plus what Tio said.     

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  Quote Tio Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 24 Jul 2013 at 2:28pm
Thanx @bpratt22 for fillen in there realized I might have confused the situation after I hit post yer brother.
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  Quote bprat22 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 24 Jul 2013 at 2:30pm
   Between the two of us, it might actually make sense.     
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  Quote Tio Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 24 Jul 2013 at 2:46pm
by the godz I hope so virtual threads, virtual OS and such are always a bit dicey to explain (especially after a couple of bourbon's)
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  Quote bprat22 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 24 Jul 2013 at 3:01pm
Just had a vodka with blackberry seltzer, 2 , and now a merlot.    My wife makes awesome drinks.   


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  Quote paulkersey Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 25 Jul 2013 at 8:52am
It does make sense, thanks!
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