Advice on my buildPost Date: 2012-03-04 |
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Tonybag0dohnutz
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Topic: Advice on my buildPosted: 04 Mar 2012 at 3:33am |
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Hi all,
I'm in the market to purchase a new PC within the next month or so and had a few questions. Currently, I'm working with something that's about 3 1/2 years old that I built myself. Budget: I'd like to keep it within the $2300 range, but am fine going a couple hundred over if it means better performance and stability in the long run Expectations: I don't play the most graphic intensive games currently, but definitely want something that's going to be able to handle what I throw at it. Right now it's League of Legends, but in a few months I'll mostly be playing Diablo 3 and Guild Wars 2. I'm not a huge FPS gamer, but do play my fair share. I typically use dual monitors, gaming on one and running a stream or Netflix on the other. My main monitor is a 25" (1920x1080) and my secondary is a 19" that's probably about 7 years old or so, but gets the job done for what I use it for. Usage: Pretty heavy usage - I'd say 3-4 hours a day, easy. More on the weekends and when I have some extra down time. Here are the specs of what I put together. Is anything overbuilt or unnecessary? Should I be looking into a different power supply or will the default model work well? I also put together the same config on the hailstorm and the price came to $2,560.00. Would there be a big benefit to jump to the Hailstorm for the extra $160? Ticket Number: 662187 Total Price with Instant Savings: $2,398.00 Specifications: Chassis Model: Special Deal Hot Seller - Cooler Master Storm Trooper Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish Trim Accents: - Standard Factory Finish Processor: Intel Core i7 2700K 3.50 GHz (Unlocked CPU for Extreme Overclocking) (Quad Core) <b></b> Motherboard: ASUS P8P67 Deluxe (Intel P67 Chipset) (New & Improved B3 Revision Without SATA 3G Issue) <b></b> System Memory: 16GB DDR3 1600MHz Digital Storm Certified Performance Series (Highly Recommended) (Hand Tested) <b></b> Power Supply: 800W Corsair GS (Dual SLI Compatible) Expansion Bay: - No Thanks Hard Drive Set 1: Operating System: 1x (160GB Solid State (By: Intel) (Model: 320 Series) <b></b> Set 1 Raid Options: - No Thanks Hard Drive Set 2: Multimedia\Data: 1x (750GB Seagate Barracuda (7200 RPM) (32MB Cache) (Model: HD-ST3750528AS) <b></b> Hard Drive Set 3: Backup\Misc.: - No Thanks Optical Drive 1: DVD-R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 24x / CD-Writer 48x) Optical Drive 2: - No Thanks Internet Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections) Video Card: 1x NVIDIA GeForce GTX 580 1.5GB (Includes PhysX) (Overclocked EVGA 015-P3-1582-BR) <b></b> Add-on Card: - No Thanks Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio Extreme Cooling: H20: Stage 2: Corsair H80 Liquid CPU Cooler (High-Performance Edition) <b></b> H20 Tube Color:- Not Applicable, I do not have a FrostChill or Sub-Zero LCS Cooling System Selected Chassis Airflow: Standard Factory Chassis Fans Internal Lighting: - No Thanks Enhancements: - No Thanks Chassis Mods: - No Thanks Noise Reduction: - No Thanks LaserMark: - No Thanks Boost Processor: Stage 2: Overclock CPU 4.5GHz to 4.8GHz (Requires Pro or Deluxe Series Motherboard) <b></b> Boost Video Card: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my video card(s) Boost Memory: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my memory Boost OS: FREE: Yes, Disable and tweak all of the non-crucial services on the operating system <b></b> Windows OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium (64-Bit Edition) Recovery Tools: Windows Recovery Toolkit (Bundled with Windows 7 CD) Virus Protection: - No Thanks Office: - No Thanks Game: - No Thanks Display: - No Thanks Surge Shield: - No Thanks Speakers: - No Thanks Keyboard: - No Thanks Mouse: - No Thanks External Storage: - No Thanks Exclusive T-Shirt: - No Thanks Priority Build: - No Thanks, Ship Within 5-15 Business Days After Order Is Successfully Processed Warranty: Life-time Expert Customer Care with 3 Year Limited Warranty Thanks for the responses and I appreciate the time! Edited by Tonybag0dohnutz - 04 Mar 2012 at 3:37am |
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bprat22
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Posted: 04 Mar 2012 at 4:32am |
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Hi Tonybag0dohnutz....Welcome to the forums....
I'm having a heck of a time lately with web connection to DS so I'll just list changes. The config builder for me is at a crawl Change the case to HafX...the best for air cooling. Change cpu to i7-2600k, the 2700 does nothing Rool back RAM to 8GB, the most gaming can use. The psu should be 750HX for single gpu. It is tops in reliability and 7 year warranty. IF you want sli potential in the future go with 1050HX. Go with GTX 570 gpu. The 580 will be more $$$ for little increase in fps. We recommend air coolers, the Phantek tc 14 or Noctua D14 are reliable and cool great for your system. Take a look,make the changes to compare . I wish I could've listed a new config like I like but maybe later or others will help.
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Posted: 04 Mar 2012 at 6:52am |
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Finally got a decent connection
Here's what I meant Config 662201 Cost $ 2336 Chassis Model: Special Deal Hot Seller - Cooler Master 942 HAF X Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish Trim Accents: - Standard Factory Finish Processor: Intel Core i7 2600K 3.40GHz (Unlocked CPU for Extreme Overclocking) (Quad Core) Motherboard: ASUS P8P67 Deluxe (Intel P67 Chipset) (New & Improved B3 Revision Without SATA 3G Issue) System Memory: 8GB DDR3 1600MHz Digital Storm Certified Performance Series (Highly Recommended) (Hand Tested) Power Supply: 750W Corsair HX (Dual SLI Compatible) Expansion Bay: - No Thanks Hard Drive Set 1: Operating System: 1x (160GB Solid State (By: Intel) (Model: 320 Series) Set 1 Raid Options: - No Thanks Hard Drive Set 2: Multimedia\Data: 1x (1TB Western Digital Caviar (7200 RPM) (Model: Black Edition) Hard Drive Set 3: Backup\Misc.: - No Thanks Optical Drive 1: DVD-R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 24x / CD-Writer 48x) Optical Drive 2: - No Thanks Internet Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections) Video Card: 1x NVIDIA GeForce GTX 570 2.5GB (Includes PhysX) (EVGA 025-P3-1579-BR) Add-on Card: - No Thanks Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio Extreme Cooling: AIR: Stage 2: Phanteks PH-TC14PE Extreme Performance H20 Tube Color:- Not Applicable, I do not have a FrostChill or Sub-Zero LCS Cooling System Selected Chassis Airflow: Standard Factory Chassis Fans Internal Lighting: - No Thanks Enhancements: - No Thanks Chassis Mods: - No Thanks Noise Reduction: - No Thanks LaserMark: - No Thanks Boost Processor: Stage 2: Overclock CPU 4.5GHz to 4.8GHz (Requires Pro or Deluxe Series Motherboard) Boost Video Card: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my video card(s) Boost Memory: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my memory Boost OS: - No Thanks, Please do not tweak the services on the operating system Windows OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium (64-Bit Edition) Recovery Tools: Windows Recovery Toolkit (Bundled with Windows 7 CD) Virus Protection: - No Thanks Office: - No Thanks Game: - No Thanks Display: - No Thanks Surge Shield: - No Thanks Speakers: - No Thanks Keyboard: - No Thanks Mouse: - No Thanks External Storage: - No Thanks Exclusive T-Shirt: FREE: Digital Storm T-Shirt - Black (Large) Priority Build: - No Thanks, Ship Within 5-15 Business Days After Order Is Successfully Processed Warranty: Life-time Expert Customer Care with 3 Year Limited Warranty If you ever thought of sli in the future change psu to 1050HX. The changes I explained above. Another way to go for your budget is the ODE 3. For the same money you get sli, 2x GTX 570 for maxed out gaming with your resolution for some time to come. We don't like the psu or cooler as much as the custom rig, but the ODE is a pre-built that gives great bang for the buck. Good Luck Edited by bprat22 - 04 Mar 2012 at 6:54am |
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Tonybag0dohnutz
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Posted: 04 Mar 2012 at 10:15am |
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Thanks for the suggestions! Question about the cooling - why air over the self-contained liquid unit? These adjustments do get me right within my budget. Now it's just a matter of pulling the trigger!
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bprat22
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Posted: 04 Mar 2012 at 10:37am |
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We usually recommend air like D14, or Phantek, over the "H" series like H80/100 because they are super reliable. The air are big blocks of metal fins that have nothing to fail. The H coolers have small circulating pumps in the head that have caused problems. It is getting better but we're all about reliability. They both have cooling fans, but those rarely fail. Both air and the H100 do a great job cooling. The air coolers take up more room but who cares. Access to RAM is still easy. Just unsnap a fan. More and more are going the H80/100, the way the industry is going. Kinda your call. Either work. Edited by bprat22 - 04 Mar 2012 at 10:40am |
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Martys
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Posted: 04 Mar 2012 at 4:30pm |
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bprat22,
I agree that the big air coolers are simpler and will be more reliable than closed loop coolers. However, they do limit access to DIMM slots, and gaining access is not as simple as unclipping a fan. For example, and I've published links to images before, the fins of the heatsink itself on a D14 overlap at least one and often the first two slots on an 1155 motherboard, requiring removal of the cooler itself to gain access if those slots are populated. This is the major reason I chose to go with an H80. I'd also bet this one of the primary reasons DS and other vendors are moving away from the big air coolers since the need to remove the cooler would really complicate field support. Similarly, the air coolers overlap at least one and sometimes the first 2 DIMM slots on each side of 2011 motherboards. This can be seen for both the D14 and Phantek coolers in this review on Tom's Hardware. Not trying to push one type of cooler over another but want people to understand the trade-offs for each. Marty |
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Posted: 04 Mar 2012 at 5:56pm |
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Hi Martys....thanks for your input. Actually the D14 does overlap the first memory slot on the p67, 1155 mobo, but on most gaming rigs that can only use 8gb ram, or 2x4gb, for dual channel memory, the fins aren't t a problem. That slot 4 isn't t filled. If someone does want to fill all 4 slots, there is room under the fins, if low profile ram sticks are used. Ram with tall heat spreaders would be a problem in that case. The only concern would be to require a case wide enough to allow the cooler fans to be offset away from the mobo to clear the ram sticks with heat spreaders and still close the side panel. If not then again, low height ram sticks will work. The x79, 2011 mobo I think also applies, but we are increasingly recommending the H100 with sli, because DS says it is needed to handle the heat of sli and the new x79 cpu's. All that being said, the H coolers are little by little taking over for a number of reasons, like looks, easy access, easy shipping, etc.. Bottom line after all this rambling, is that 8gb ram with p67 for example is not a problem, except popping the fan. On the x79 because of quad channel, 4x ram sticks I'm not sure.
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Martys
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Posted: 04 Mar 2012 at 6:37pm |
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Hi bprat22,
The issue I'm talking about isn't getting RAM to fit under the cooler, there are many lower profile sticks that will, but rather that access to the memory for replacement or trouble shooting requires removal of the cooler, not just the fans, if the fins of heat sink overlap the populated dimm slots. You're correct that for 1155 motherboards where the fins overlap just 1 slot and only 2 dimms are used the first slot can be avoided. However, if 4 dimms are used that possibility no longer exists (and some folks do use 4 dimms), and on other boards the fins overlap 2 slots so there is no way around removing the cooler to access the memory, even for something as simple as re-seating. I don't have any personal experience with 2011 boards, but the pictures in the review (and others I didn't link) show the fins of the D14 overlapping 1 slot on one side and 2 on the other. And the Phantek is similar. I'm not familiar with order in which memory slots have to be filled on a 2011 board, but at least 4 slots have to be used, and don't know if you can get around the issue by just populating non-overlapped slots in that situation (and I doubt too many people will be using all 8 slots). As I said I just wanted people to be aware of the potential complication Marty |
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Posted: 04 Mar 2012 at 6:57pm |
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Yeah, I'm not sure with 2011 either. For 4 slot filled on 1055 you are right and it's good to let others read it here. In this particular case with 8gb ram it isn't a problem. If he wanted 16 Gb in all 4 slots, then it would mean taking the cooler off. Side note.....the reason I went on about mounting low profile memory under the cooling fins is so that others reading this don't t think the cooling fins overlapping the ram slots make them unusable. All good info. Thanks.
Edited by bprat22 - 04 Mar 2012 at 7:14pm |
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