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    Posted: 27 Oct 2011 at 5:08am
Budget:
Unsure as of this moment. It will probably be somewhere between 3000-4000

Expectations:
Just an amazing machine to last for a few years.

Usage:
General usage, gaming, also in school right now so I will need it for school. I will also be running 2 1920x1080 monitors. Most likely only 1 will be for gaming while the 2nd will have internet and other small apps open

Special Needs:
I'll just add this here. Probably not looking to purchase until sometime towards the end of November.

Saved Ticket #: 609827


Specifications:
Chassis Model: Special Deal Hot Seller - Black OPS HailStorm Edition
Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish
Trim Accents: - Standard Factory Finish
Processor: Intel Core i7 2600K 3.40GHz (Unlocked CPU for Extreme Overclocking) (Quad Core)
Motherboard: ASUS P8P67 Deluxe (Intel P67 Chipset) (New & Improved B3 Revision Without SATA 3G Issue)
System Memory: 8GB DDR3 1600MHz Digital Storm Certified Performance Series (Highly Recommended) (Hand Tested)
Power Supply: 1050W Corsair Pro Silver 1050HX (Dual/Triple/Quad SLI Compatible)
Expansion Bay: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 1: Operating System: 1x (120GB Solid State (By: Intel) (Model: 320 Series)
Set 1 Raid Options: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 2: Multimedia\Data: 1x (1TB Western Digital Caviar (7200 RPM) (Model: Black Edition)
Hard Drive Set 3: Backup\Misc.: - No Thanks
Optical Drive 1: DVD-R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 24x / CD-Writer 48x)
Optical Drive 2: - No Thanks
Internet Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections)
Video Card: 1x NVIDIA GeForce GTX 570 1.2GB (Includes PhysX Technology) (EVGA Edition)
Add-on Card: - No Thanks
Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio
Extreme Cooling: H20: Stage 4: Sub-Zero LCS Cooling System: CPU Only
H20 Tube Color:Black Tubing with High-Performance Fluid (UV Lighting Reactive)
Chassis Airflow: Standard Factory Chassis Fans
Internal Lighting: Internal Chassis Lighting System (UV) (Creates Glowing Effect for H20 Tubes)
Enhancements: - No Thanks
Chassis Mods: - No Thanks <b></b>
Noise Reduction: - No Thanks
LaserMark: - No Thanks
Boost Processor: Stage 1: Overclock CPU 4.0GHz to 4.4GHz
Boost Video Card: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my video card(s)
Boost Memory: Memory Fan Kit Only (Does not include memory overclocking service)
Boost OS: - No Thanks, Please do not tweak the services on the operating system
Windows OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Professional (64-Bit Edition)
Recovery Tools: Windows Recovery Toolkit (Bundled with Windows 7 CD)
Virus Protection: - No Thanks
Office: - No Thanks
Install/Test Game: FREE: Batman: Arkham City (Available only with NVIDIA GeForce GTX graphic cards)
Display: - No Thanks
Surge Shield: - No Thanks
Speakers: - No Thanks
Keyboard: - No Thanks
Mouse: - No Thanks
External Storage: - No Thanks
Exclusive T-Shirt: FREE: Digital Storm T-Shirt - Black (Large)
Priority Build: - No Thanks, Ship Within 5-15 Business Days After Order Is Successfully Processed
Warranty: Life-time Expert Customer Care with 3 Year Limited Warranty

So basically I came up with this if I have to spend the smallest amount of my budget. But I would have more plans for this computer in the near future. Such as upgrading to 2 sli gpus and also upgrading to the stage 6 liquid cooling. But that would mostly likely be around 6 months if I choose to go this route. If I end up going towards the top of my budget I would change it to the 2 sli 570 1.2s and go stage LC cooling.

I do have a question though mainly aimed at DST. What is your thought on the mod to the case that allows for another fan by the GPU, is it not worth it or is just not used because people think its ugly?

Also it says the 800d can add up to 4 more 120mm. If I go the route of not getting stage 6 LC now would I want to spend a little more money and add those in now?

Much thanks in advance for any help I get.
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  Quote KalvinMM Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 27 Oct 2011 at 5:11am
I forgot to add, don't suggest your HAF case build that you suggest to 99% of other people

I do want LC, not looking to compromise on this

Edited by KalvinMM - 27 Oct 2011 at 5:21am
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 27 Oct 2011 at 1:19pm
I'm sorry KalvinMM but for air cooled system you need a system with best airflow, and the hailstorm is not it.

so I'm not sure what you want me to do, I'm certainly not gonna suggest you spend over $400 in a case just so you can endup with less airflow and worst temps then a $180 case.

your config also is no where near giving you the most power for your money. Your config cost $3000, for less then that price I can give you a system that has twice the power of your config, only thing is that it will have the haf x.

the hailstorm (as you see in my sig is the case I have) hold 4 fans, but they don't do much at all.

LC is not needed but if you like it then so be it but again you are spending money on stuff that don't make a difference vs stuff that give you performance.

just so you know this config will school your config any day Ticket Number: 609904 and after you add lc to cpu or gpus, you know how much difference in performance you gonna have then the people that have configs like the one I just posted? zero, thats right, that config and your config with lc and sli 570 gaming will have no difference whatsoever in gaming performance, and since the 2600k runs so cool already, your load temps won't matter at all since temps are great with air cooling to begin with.

I understand you like to have what you want but I just thought I share the facts with you.

with lc you can't add more fans to the hailstorm.

Edited by DST4ME - 27 Oct 2011 at 1:21pm
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  Quote AndydViking Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 27 Oct 2011 at 4:44pm
Yeah it seems like the H2O Cooling is a waste on these processors. If you just hate the HafX or the Haf series there is always the Corsair 600t and some other options that will only affect temps very slightly IMHO. That's the case I'd get. I love the looks and the huge CPU backplate cutout (for if you ever have to mess with the cooler).
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 27 Oct 2011 at 6:25pm
The 600t is ok but the haf cases have have that side fan that makes all the difference in sli IMHO. they are also smaller, but they are ok cases as AndydViking said.
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  Quote AndydViking Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 27 Oct 2011 at 8:21pm
The 1 and only thing I don't like about the HAF X is that I'm reading on Newegg that the motherboard backplate hole is not lining up well with alot of motherboards. This won't be a problem for 99% of people but it's something I don't like. Otherwise I agree 100% with DST4ME. It looks cool, tons of room to upgrade, sturdy looking etc... Just add 1 more thing with the 600t. I think (not sure) you could ask DS to add the mesh side or include it and you can add side fans for more air flow.
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 27 Oct 2011 at 8:31pm
They send you the side grill you add the fans yourself but that opens the whole side, but IMHO if you do't care about that its a good case, its smaller but its still a good case, tho I take haf 922 over that any day.

the back plate issue I'm not sure if its been corrected or not, but as you said its a non issue either way, most of the new reviews for it say nothing about the back plate, personally I never had a problem with it.
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  Quote KalvinMM Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 27 Oct 2011 at 8:55pm
Well, I guess my major question was sort of answered. I understand what your saying about the HAF case build. I have pretty much spent more time then I thought I would have reading these forums about computers. So I guess I was just looking for more input on doing a LC system.

My biggest question was if I don't get my full budget if this build would work for while I waited to upgrade a few more things but I think that would be worst case and I should be able to afford closer to the high end of my 4k budget. This was just my worst case build I guess and I wanted to see if It would be okay for a little while.

Okay so I guess suggestion from this build?
609831

Also I was wondering what you thought about the case mods for the 800d that adds an extra fan on the side window? I think I have only seen 1 person in the review section with it and it was a really long time ago.

Also what are your thoughts on LC cooling in the assassin case. I remember seeing a couple of PCs with a LC system in the Assassin. I'm more curious about it then anything else. Trying to get as much info as possible before making a purchase.

Again any help is really appreciated. I wasn't trying to instantly shoot down down that build. I know its an amazing bang for the buck. But I was just more intent on going LC and wanted advice there.
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 28 Oct 2011 at 1:24am
Now that new build is a yes, yes and yes, only thing I would change is to go with stage 2 oc.

You also made a mistake and chose the single card choice on the stage 6 cooling, you need to choose the dual sli stage 6 cooling.

assassin is cramped for space with lc its even worst.

I believe it was the 950si that had the side window but you can do it with 800d also, but keep in mind its gonna block being able to see the inside.

I'm currently in the process of getting a side window for 800d moded to have four 140mm fans on it, its gonna be a while but I can let you know then, but to be honest if I were you, I would spend money on customizing rad and fan combo so that you get a quiet lc system, otherwise the default lc is loud as heck.

ask for xspc "rx" series rads to be used in your LC with Scythe gentle typhoon fans on them, this will perform better and be quiet at teh same time.

what is your room temp?

in worst case scenario, I would go with my build and not yours cause worst case scenario you would still have the performance you would just lose the lc and case but you keep sli, ssd, basically all the performance, you just lose some luxury items.

Edited by DST4ME - 28 Oct 2011 at 1:25am
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  Quote KalvinMM Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 28 Oct 2011 at 1:58am
Ok thanks, yeah will change to the correct LC. This was my original plan for a build but then I didn't know exactly on money situation or anything so I got kind of worried and started to trim down.

Hmm. Ok, I just remember seeing a few Assassins with the frost chill system in them and seemed really nice. Though I would assume that couldn't fit dual GPUs in there. Just a fan of the look of the assassin is all.

There is a review on this site of someone who did that case mod with the 2 fans on the window of the case. But again I had only seen 1 person ever do it and I am assuming that with all the liquid cooling that its really not needed? But the option on this site is you can do it on the 950si and 800d cases. Was just curious about that option.

My room temp on average is probably around 65 degrees. Live in a pretty cool area so maybe 2 or 3 months out of the year would my room even get hotter then 70.

And as far as spending money on customizing the rad and fan combos what would we be looking at there. As far as additional price?

Also I almost forgot. Since I wont be ordering until around the end of November I would probably want to wait and get the new x79 chip correct? Though I think I remember you saying something about that would only be that much better if I plan on going tri sli which I really don't except I will need?
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 28 Oct 2011 at 2:18am
With that room temp air cooled is going to give you amazing temps.

you also are not going to need to mod the case with those kinds of room temps, 70f and below are excellent room temps to have.

extra price for rad and fan I don't know but its not much, however I would not skimp out on those.

ya you have nothing really to gain from x79, performance again in quad core is little and prices are higher, but by the time you want to buy it should be out so you can see the prices.
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  Quote KalvinMM Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 28 Oct 2011 at 2:30am
Ok. So no mods to the case is needed. Was just curious on it. It didn't seem like a very common option. Just wondering if it was over looked or people just don't find it needed.

It looks like I'll go with my build with the correct LC and the changes for the rad and fan you suggested. 1 more question on those, would those fans you suggested happen to be LCD? Lol I love Christmas tree computers,I'm a huge fan of your amazing set up.

Also with this LC system is it correct one of the rads is mounted on the outside?

This is also going to seem almost stupid but my cousin was interested in what I was buying and he keeps telling me my computer is going to bottleneck and I don't believe him. Hes saying that the SSD and HDD are bad? I don't understand this because hes not providing me with solid reason or any reasons as to why they are bad. I think he might be upset I'm not building it my self but I don't know for sure.

Ok. Will just wait on the x79 and see what that situation looks like when they come out. If I really have nothing to gain from spending the extra money on it I would rather put money else where.
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 28 Oct 2011 at 9:15pm
If you are talking about the typhoons, No they are not, low cfm fans don't normally have leds, the high louder ones do, and you don't want to use those with the xspc rx rads.

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  Quote KalvinMM Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 28 Oct 2011 at 9:48pm
Ok thanks. So if I just copy and paste what you said DS will know to upgrade to those and I won't need to provide a link to them or do I need to try and find a link?

Also are there any fans in the case that could be upgraded to LED or did you just answer that and I'm thinking something different

Could you also explain a little more about maintenance that goes along with LC, I have done a moderate amount of research on LC and understand how it works. But is it much more then just making sure the reservoir doesn't get low and then flushing the system once in a while?

Again I can't thank you enough for all your help. You make this process pretty painless.
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 28 Oct 2011 at 10:25pm
If you are specific and use the parts names you should be good to go just make sure the rads are the "rx" series.

look at my case, forget the rads, where ever else you see led fans you can put them there, pretty much one exhuast, one on hdds, and one on divider, those are the 140mm, you can fit a 120mm under the hdd's 140mm fan.

so total of 4 fans can be led, but get 140mm led fans from http://www.xigmatek.com
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  Quote KalvinMM Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 28 Oct 2011 at 10:40pm
Alright. Thanks again, seriously made this easier then I thought.

Now I guess half the torture begins waiting to order this beast.
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 28 Oct 2011 at 11:52pm
I had to wait a year for mine so I have hard time taking everybody else seriously but ya torture

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  Quote KalvinMM Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 29 Oct 2011 at 12:27am
Haha, I couldn't even imagine the torture of having to wait for that thing. It is a beauty.

It has been 4 years for me now since I build my last desktop from scratch so I'm really excited to get this thing in my hands.

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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 29 Oct 2011 at 1:13am
Oh good so you know how to work on it if things go wrong, you gonna love this thing man I had to change my psu couple of times but other then that, its been great.
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  Quote KalvinMM Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 29 Oct 2011 at 1:27am
Well for the most part.

The only thing that has me somewhat worried is LC, wasn't really popular and never a thought when I built a computer 4 years ago lol. But I have had a few friends who have done it and loved it. Also with DS support + these forums I don't think I'll have too many problems.

I'm sure your PSU problems came from being too stressed having to power that beast
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 29 Oct 2011 at 1:39am
With highend parts like this I expect every part to go bad at some point to be honest with you, highend parts are moody, and with full stress some can go out, no big deal tho, cause I just change whatever it is, I would have the same problems if I build this pc myself, if I'm gonna really blame anybody for the psu it would be silverstone the maker but it can happen to any parts, its part of the game.
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  Quote KalvinMM Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 05 Nov 2011 at 10:00am
So, say I wanted to go with the HAF case and wanted to switch out to all blue LED fans including the ones in the front, what fans would I want?
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 05 Nov 2011 at 7:46pm
For the haf x you would ask DS to use the below fan to add to the optional top, and switch all fans including front fan with below fan also:

haf 200mm blue led fan
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  Quote KalvinMM Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 06 Nov 2011 at 1:05am
Cool. Ty again sir.

I think If I end up going a little lower on my budget I will go with the HAF x build but might go stage 4 LC on the CPU. Even though I understand its not needed, I have seen picks of it and think it looks cool.
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 06 Nov 2011 at 1:28am
Keep in mind the stage 4 lc is gonna be loud, if you want it quiet it should not cost much at all to get a better rad that works best with quiet fans, that way you get better performance for less noise.

also newegg is was out of them but now they have them back in stock, instead of changing fans to blue led, get the haf x blue version that one has all fans blue led already exepct the options top, so just ask them to add the blue 200mm fan to the top optional of the blue haf x.

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Is it possible to add the haf x blue version to the config list?
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We can request whatever parts we like for case request the haf x Blue Edition.
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Hmm, I could request the same rads from your post above right? Isn't it all the same just minus the gpu cooling?
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stage 4 is only the cpu. if you want the more quiet better performing lc parts, let me know I will tell you what to ask for.

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The good thing about the HAF X Blue Edition, is that you can turn all of the lights off. Hopefully adding the 2nd fan on top will let you do that too.
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You sure? I thought only the front fan has a switch.
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COOLER MASTER HAF X Blue Edition RC-942-KKN3 Black Steel / Plastic ATX Full Tower Computer Case with Black Interior and Four Blue LED Fans-1x 140mm rear 1x 200mm top 1x 200mm side and 1x 230mm front.
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Cool, thanks                                  
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Specifications:
Chassis Model: Special Deal Hot Seller - Cooler Master 942 HAF X
Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish
Trim Accents: - Standard Factory Finish
Processor: Intel Core i7 2600K 3.40GHz (Unlocked CPU for Extreme Overclocking) (Quad Core)
Motherboard: ASUS P8P67 Deluxe (Intel P67 Chipset) (New & Improved B3 Revision Without SATA 3G Issue)
System Memory: 8GB DDR3 1600MHz Digital Storm Certified Performance Series (Highly Recommended) (Hand Tested)
Power Supply: 1050W Corsair Pro Silver 1050HX (Dual/Triple/Quad SLI Compatible)
Expansion Bay: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 1: Operating System: 1x (120GB Solid State (By: Intel) (Model: 320 Series)
Set 1 Raid Options: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 2: Multimedia\Data: 1x (1TB Western Digital Caviar (7200 RPM) (Model: Black Edition)
Hard Drive Set 3: Backup\Misc.: - No Thanks
Optical Drive 1: DVD-R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 24x / CD-Writer 48x)
Optical Drive 2: No Thanks
Internet Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections)
Video Card: 2x SLI Dual (NVIDIA GeForce GTX 570 1.2GB (Includes PhysX Tech) (EVGA Edition)
Add-on Card: - No Thanks
Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio
Extreme Cooling: H20: Stage 4: Sub-Zero LCS Cooling System: CPU Only
H20 Tube Color:White Tubing with High-Performance Fluid (UV Lighting Reactive)
Chassis Airflow: Standard Factory Chassis Fans
Internal Lighting: Internal Chassis Lighting System (UV) (Creates Glowing Effect for H20 Tubes)
Enhancements: - No Thanks
Chassis Mods: - No Thanks
Noise Reduction: - No Thanks
LaserMark: - No Thanks
Boost Processor: Stage 2: Overclock CPU 4.5GHz to 4.8GHz (Requires Pro or Deluxe Series Motherboard) <b></b>
Boost Video Card: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my video card(s)
Boost Memory: Memory Fan Kit Only (Does not include memory overclocking service)
Boost OS: - No Thanks, Please do not tweak the services on the operating system
Windows OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Professional (64-Bit Edition)
Recovery Tools: Windows Recovery Toolkit (Bundled with Windows 7 CD)
Virus Protection: - No Thanks
Office: - No Thanks
Game: FREE: Batman: Arkham City (Available only with NVIDIA GeForce GTX graphic cards)
Display: - No Thanks
Surge Shield: - No Thanks
Speakers: - No Thanks
Keyboard: - No Thanks
Mouse: - No Thanks
External Storage: - No Thanks
Exclusive T-Shirt: FREE: Digital Storm T-Shirt - Black (Large)
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Ok, going with the build above. But getting the HAF X Blue edition, with extra 200mm fan for the top. Hopefully be ordering in around 10 days.

I guess the only thing left is what rads i should ask for?

Edited by KalvinMM - 18 Nov 2011 at 4:40am
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 18 Nov 2011 at 6:43am
Ask for vcore below 1.4 for your oc.

rad should be xspc "rx" series and fan is Scythe gentle typhoon fans
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