Advice on what to do? hmmPost Date: 2009-04-29 |
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Paranoia
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Topic: Advice on what to do? hmmPosted: 29 Apr 2009 at 5:58pm |
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Hi Gang...I'm considering building a computer from DS, normally i like building them myself but have been very impressed with all the positive responses with this company. I plan someday to configure my rig later down the road from here. But atm i need some advice.
My current system specs are below (in my signature), and I'm trying to decide whether or not to upgrade this system and wait to see what is to come later as far as tech goes or decide to leave as is or go Core i7. Any advice is welcome, if there something not right with this system do tell...not sure if i have the right ram speed. Or if i should look at a new vid car which i know if i do i have to replace my mobo as well and if i would even tell the difference between my q6600 and the new Core i7. Currently game at 1680 x 1050 might upgrade to 1920 x 1200 later. Play BioShock, Crysis, warhead, Gears of War, Stalker clear sky, FarCry and Fear. Plan on getting Farcry2, Fear2, and all the cool gaming coming out this summer. Sorry for the long post ![]() plz help and yes that means you DST =P Thanks |
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DST4ME
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Posted: 29 Apr 2009 at 6:32pm |
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wait for gulftown due out H1 of 2010 and upgrade to that system
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Paranoia
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Posted: 29 Apr 2009 at 6:45pm |
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How about my current setup..anything there i should upgrade or is my system yet old good to last me till next year...another question i have is the fsb for q6600 is 1066 any my mem is 800 do i need to match that or is 800 fine.
And since u think i should wait for gulftown i take it i couldn't tell the difference between i7 and q6600. |
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Paranoia
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Posted: 29 Apr 2009 at 7:19pm |
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You guys know other comments besides DST are welcome
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Bill the Cat
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Posted: 29 Apr 2009 at 8:12pm |
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Forget the specs for a minute. Are you unhappy with the way your system performs now? If so, why?
I suppose you could breath some new life into the machine with a high end graphics card, but do you really feel the need? I guess you could also go SLI if you want to game at higher resolutions. Other than that, you are looking at a brand new machine, or at least a new mobo to go to the next level. Beyond that, I'd wait till next year, like DST says.
BTW, Far Cry 2 is not a particularly graphicly demanding game; much lower requirements than Crysis.
If I understand your question..., to have perfectly matched FSB and DDR2 speeds, the FSB fequency should be double the memory freq. For example, you should run 800 MHz RAM synched with a 1600 MHz FSB. At least as far as your memory is concerned, you could be running the FSB faster
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Posted: 29 Apr 2009 at 8:16pm |
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upgrade to 4GB of ram, forget the ram speed vs FSB, you will never notice the difference from 800 to 1066. if you need more GPU power then add another 8800 ultra or go with a 275 GTX if your system can take it. crysis is a CPU demanding game, most other games are not and are GPU intensive which a little extra GPU power will take car of. Edited by DST4ME - 29 Apr 2009 at 8:19pm |
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Paranoia
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Posted: 29 Apr 2009 at 8:37pm |
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No i am happy with it i just want to see what people thought of the system and to see if there was any room for improvement if any.
As far as the memory goes i was just trying to figure out if i need to go to 1066mhz to match my 1066mhz fsb on my q6600 ..i have my system overclocked to 1425mhz fsb...or am i good with the 800mhz ram |
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Paranoia
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Posted: 29 Apr 2009 at 8:39pm |
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ok thanks dst =D
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Paranoia
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Posted: 29 Apr 2009 at 8:41pm |
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sorry another question
only 8800 ultras i can find now is in ebay...but isnt the gtx 275 pci-e 2.0 my board only uses 1.0 |
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Paranoia
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Posted: 29 Apr 2009 at 8:50pm |
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well forget adding another 2gb of the memory i have...cant find anyone online selling corsair dominator pc6400
is it worth getting the gtx 275 that uses pci-e 2.0 on a board that has 1.0 is that still better then 8800 ultra |
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Bill the Cat
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Posted: 29 Apr 2009 at 9:45pm |
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I always thought Crysis was GPU limited and that there wasn't much frame rate increase after even 2.2 GHz Core 2 duo, but I defer to the obviously knowledgeable "DST"
Your 800 MHz is fine; faster than you really need at the moment.
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Posted: 29 Apr 2009 at 10:23pm |
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Most I would do would probably add some RAM since that's pretty cheap usually. Besides that I would do what DST said and wait for the gulftown. :D
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Paranoia
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Posted: 29 Apr 2009 at 10:45pm |
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ya n hopefully by the time gulftown comes out...gt 300 will be there just hard to wait another year...still might upgrade this computer a bit since thats all a year away
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Posted: 29 Apr 2009 at 10:48pm |
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i wanna get another 2 gb but im having trouble finding that same memory corsair dominator 800mhz
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Posted: 29 Apr 2009 at 11:24pm |
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checked cpu-z it is that version so maybe ill upgrade to 1066mhz
also still wanna know if anyone does with my 680i it has 1.0 pci-e...if i get a gt 200 thats 2.0 i know its totally different but will it work with my and is it still gonna be faster then a 8800 ultra |
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Posted: 29 Apr 2009 at 11:40pm |
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you will never notice a difference between 1066 and 800MHz so just forget about matching your ram and FSB.
if you want to add 2 more GB of ram, just match the timing of your current ram and you should be OK, it does not have to be the same exact model. you are right the 680i is PCI 1.0 so forget the 275 you won't be able to use it to its full potential. if you are happy with the way the system is then you don't need any upgrade what so ever, upgrade is for when you need more performance
with crysis, once you get to 1900 x 1200 and above the CPU becomes less and less important and the GPU will make the difference. |
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Posted: 30 Apr 2009 at 1:55am |
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Hi all - been out of town for a few days. Thought I would pop on before bedtime.
I had a stock Q6600 and 8800 GTX system as my main system before I bought my currrent DS system. On video rendering, which is basically purely CPU and favors more threads, the new machine is between 3 and 5 times as fast as the old was depending on the file I'm rendering. There is huge difference on gaming, too, because I now have a pair of GTX285s in SLI. I'm not sure what sort of DS system you had in mind, but that is my own experience in upgrading. My advice: Your current system is adequate to get you through another 10 months or so until you can afford to get an i7 based system. Rather than spending another penny on your current system, I would bank every penny you can over the next 10 months and dump it into even better upgrades for your new system next year. Why throw away money on a machine you know you aren't keeping? |
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Posted: 30 Apr 2009 at 6:43am |
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HM there is no difference to be seen between any 800 and 1066, I've done it myself and anybody else that has done it will tell you the same, to go 1066 from 800 is pure waste of money, no different then going 1600 from 1333.
some times the 800MHz is even better, look at the 2GB 800MHz pull more fps then the 2GB of 1066:
at the end the difference between 800MHz and 1600MHz is like 4fps, in many games even less, here 4GB of 800Mhz actually beats 4GB of 1600MHz:
Ya getting very close to ordering now, I do have too much time on my hands Edited by DST4ME - 30 Apr 2009 at 6:57am |
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Zardoz8719
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Posted: 30 Apr 2009 at 1:45pm |
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Well, ain't that interesting... When DDR2 isn't much different from DDR3... and instances where 1333 has more FPS than 1600...and 1066 can match 1600 in FPS... Gee whiz...how's a guy to know--whatever happened to the simplicity of "more expensive is better/higher part-numbers are better"?
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Paranoia
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Posted: 30 Apr 2009 at 2:13pm |
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Thanks dst on the awesome info about memory..just gonna stick with 800 and might upgrade to 4..i do plan of doing business with DS 1-2 months or just bite the bullet and wait for GT 300 and gulftown just hope this system will get me by till then
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Posted: 30 Apr 2009 at 2:16pm |
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How about you come do business with us right now? =) I got an open phone line, and plenty of awesome components to put into a system for you!
...cant blame me for trying right? |
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Paranoia
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Posted: 30 Apr 2009 at 3:22pm |
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Hehe no i cant...but i will assure you that i will in the near future i think this company is very professional and i love this forum..only one I've seen out there, its nice to here from people who have had great experiences with DS so people like me feel better about spending their hard earned money and knowing their getting a great product. GREAT work DS u rock
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Posted: 30 Apr 2009 at 4:20pm |
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Paranoia, when you are ready, just make sure you ask to speak directly to me, that way I can make sure you are all taken care of.
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Paranoia
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Posted: 30 Apr 2009 at 4:34pm |
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will do Sarah
![]() in the meantime need to find a 24-26" lcd 1920 x 1200 monitor =| yay! fun |
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I agree with Bill on this one. 10-15 years ago I was really big in to upgrading semi-frequently and only replacing computers when absolutely necessary. Over the last 5 years or so, I've come to a more "replacement minded" perspective.
I think one of the main reasons for this is it seems to me that the core architecutre changes more frequently than in the past, ie: things work better if you replace the motherboard and all the components, rather than individual pieces.
Adding another couple ram sticks or possibly upgrading a video card is still a viable option, but I personally lean more toward saving up for a while and then having a more targeted idea of what I want and what I can afford, and starting fresh with a machine that I'm fairly certain I'll use for a couple/few years :)
(I'll also add that having to buy two computers at once (thanks, Blizzard for making my wife a Gamer) has a bit of an influence for my financial considerations as well.)
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Posted: 30 Apr 2009 at 6:29pm |
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Ya lot of times now in days more expensive does not mean better or more performance, the ram and for example the 1050si case vs the 950si or HAF is another perfect example, tho the 1050si cost more the 950si and HAF have much better performance in cooling. Edited by DST4ME - 30 Apr 2009 at 6:29pm |
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Posted: 30 Apr 2009 at 11:22pm |
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Im with harley on this one.
I can say for certain there is a difference going from 4GB of 1600 to 4GB of 1800. You can feel the difference. From 800 to 1066...i dunno though.
I can also say there is a difference going from 2GB of 1333 to 4GB of 1600, but that could of been more due to doubling the ram.
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Posted: 01 May 2009 at 12:58am |
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there is a difference between 2GB and 4GB, there is no difference between 800 to 1066 in stock cpu speeds, been there done that myself, the same way there is no difference between 1600 and 1800 either, I can bring million more charts from just about any site, as a matter of fact I dare you to bring me charts that show the difference you are taking about.
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