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  Quote wcboltman Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Topic: All out build! Advice needed!
    Posted: 30 Oct 2010 at 4:18am

Awesome forum you have here guys!  I've found a ton a useful information which has helped a lot in putting my build together.  This is where I'm at right now, but nothing set in stone yet.  My main uses will be gaming, trading, poker, and all around a$$ kicking! Strong

Will be using a 30 inch monitor with this system.  Keeping this thing as quiet as possible is a top priority so I'm considering custom ordering some noiseblocker fans to replace the stock fans.

I'm having a really hard time not upgrading to the 980x w/ the rampage board and OCing that bad boy to 4.5!  But that is probably overkill and most likely will wait until Ivy Bridge to upgrade. 

My other concern is only having 80gb of SSD storage.  I may add another 80gb drive and raid them.  Windows eats about 40gb correct? 

Also does my configuration include the AR 480's?  If the 580s are worth upgrading to I want to be able to use the step up program.

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  Quote Raif Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 30 Oct 2010 at 4:32am
40gb ssd is good enough for os, appsand 1-2 games. ssd will not increase fps it will how ever decrease load time, install time, scan time, boot time, uses less power and no defrag ever.

general rule:
ssd- os apps and frequently loading games
hdd- thats where you put everything else

read this.. you don't want the usb3/sats 6 mobo
http://www.digitalstormonline.com/forums/forum_posts.asp?TID=11583

lcing the chipset wont give you any real advantage

corsair did a 180 on us with that psu it is modular like the dso cert is a extra 2 years warranty worth the extra money? in my mind not really. they both have dual 12v rails so your good.

i would go this route
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  Quote venom Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 30 Oct 2010 at 4:36am
I would stay far far away from that MSI board, or any MSI board actually.  I'd recommend either the ASUS Rampage III Extreme, or EVGA x58 FTW3.

Solid state is a bit small, might recommend upping it to 120GB if you're planning to store more than a few games on it.

Everything else looks good.
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  Quote Raif Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 30 Oct 2010 at 4:38am
yes the 980 and the 4.5 are both overkill for gaming. you may tweak my build to what you like it is a great system. much of it is the same but it will outperform the one you posted.

changed your sound card for the great front access to usb and head phone ports

the mobo i chose would be the one i would. it is one of the best on the market especially in that price range.

the ar version is evga's way of kicking the gpu muliplyer up by one and charging bigger bucks for doing nothing. get the regular ones and have dso oc them for free.

with ssd space it all depends on your needs and desires and how much money you want to waste. if you want to have a decent size library of games upgrade to the 80. if you want a ton of games 160 or raid smaller ones for increased speed. again it all depends on how much money you want to put there. there are many ways to skin a cat but i would rather tri 480 then have a huge ssd at your 30 in res which is prob gonna be 2560 x 1600
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  Quote venom Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 30 Oct 2010 at 4:48am
A 1200w certified should not be recommended for a build of this caliber.  The original 1200w Corsair was the right way to go.

"corsair did a 180 on us with that psu it is modular like the dso cert is a extra 2 years warranty worth the extra money? in my mind not really. they both have dual 12v rails so your good."

Warranty has nothing to do with it.  Maximum wattage on the 12v rail is 1080w with the certified, while the Corsair has all 1200w available to the 12v rail.

Ripple and noise are extremely low on the Corsair, 29mv fully loaded, and voltage regulation is within 1%.   Certified I know the noise and ripple suppression isn't the greatest, voltage regulation within ~3%.

Corsair is a single 100A 12v rail, the Certified is split 20A 4 rails if I remember right.

Corsair ~90% efficiency, Certified only ~80%.

"with ssd space it all depends on your needs and desires and how much money you want to waste. if you want to have a decent size library of games upgrade to the 80. if you want a ton of games 160 or raid smaller ones for increased speed."

Keep in mind RAID disables TRIM functionality.


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  Quote Raif Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 30 Oct 2010 at 4:50am
thanks for the info i didn't know those tidbits
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  Quote wcboltman Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 30 Oct 2010 at 5:15am
Awesome guys thanks for the help. I'm going to go w/ the rampage 3 and stick w/ 80GB SSD. That should hold me over until SSD comes along a bit anyway.

As far as OC I should be fine to hit stage 2, 4.0-4.2, correct?
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  Quote venom Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 30 Oct 2010 at 5:29am
Shouldn't be an issue getting 4GHz.
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  Quote MagiK Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 30 Oct 2010 at 5:16pm
Just say no to the temptation to RAID your SSD's.  Added Complexity for performance gains that really wont matter in almost all normal situations and you automatically double your chances of losing all your data in one fell swoop (or one swell foop as someone once said)

RAID should be kept where it belongs, In NAS devices (for bulk storage and make that RAID 5) and Enterprise situations  Mirroring really isnt cost effectiv for Home builds either, far more Bang for the buck in making regular backups images.


Edit: (Warning everything in the above post is personal opinion and your mileage may vary)


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  Quote wcboltman Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 30 Oct 2010 at 6:27pm
Yea I hear ya probably will resist temptation to RAID for now.  May throw in a Crucial 128GB for more storage capacity/speed vs. 80GB Intel.

Raif the AR = EVGA's step up program.  You can upgrade to a new GPU by sending in your old one and paying the difference.  A great deal for the extra $60 IMO.

Wish the upgrade to 980x was a little less $$$ and I would definitely bite, but $926 + $248 to OC and you're looking at almost $1200.  I guess that will buy me a new CPU and mobo when Ivy Bridge hits next year.

This will be a Xmas gift so we'll see if the new AMD/Nvidia cards are worth upgrading to.

Thanks again for the input guys!
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  Quote venom Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 30 Oct 2010 at 9:41pm
If you wait for awhile (less than 1 month but more than 1 week :P), you wont need the step-up at all. ;)

6970 will be here before Christmas if I remember right.


Why not get an i7 970, still 6 cores, and just get the free overclocking (3.9GHz will most likely be what you get) and tweak it yourself later.


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  Quote wcboltman Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 30 Oct 2010 at 11:31pm
Yea I'm looking forward to seeing how the 6970 and gtx 580 stack up against each other.

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  Quote WardTheSteak Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 30 Oct 2010 at 11:48pm
Also, remember that the 6970 isn't made to directly compete against the 580.  The 6970 is the high end single card being released by AMD to beat the 480.  As for the dual cards we will be having Antilles vs. the 580.
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  Quote wcboltman Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 31 Oct 2010 at 12:09am
The 580 is a single card too
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  Quote !ender_ Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 31 Oct 2010 at 12:12am
assuming the pictures/info that has been leaked is accurate the 580 is indeed a single gpu card
which is great news, dual gpu cards are fail fail fail
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  Quote Invader Mig Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 31 Oct 2010 at 11:09am
Hey Venom, is there any reason you say to stay away from the MSI Big Bang. I've seen very positive reviews both from sites and owners across various forums. Have you guys at DS been having problems with that board, or do you just have a general dislike for MSI?

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MSi Has been beddy beddy bad to  me in the past, They probably have some good products but one bad experience and Im soured on them.
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  Quote WardTheSteak Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 31 Oct 2010 at 2:56pm
Ahh i see, I haven't seen the pics yet, and when I first heard about it i was just assuming it was a dual gpu, so then I wonder what Antilles will be in that case.
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  Quote Natsu Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 01 Nov 2010 at 3:10am
I got 2 friends with the MSI Big Bang both love it and have no problems with it. I like the asus rampage III myself.
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  Quote MagiK Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 01 Nov 2010 at 10:38am
The board itself gets good reviews and it looks ok, I prefer the ROG Bluetooth connect to the method MSi uses....

I have just been bitten by MSI before and so am reluctant to recommend the company.
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  Quote wcboltman Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 01 Nov 2010 at 11:20am
Have any of you guys tried Patriot Sector 5 memory? They make a 2500mhz model I'm interested to see how it performs.
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  Quote !ender_ Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 01 Nov 2010 at 11:42am
yes i have the viper 2 sector 5 2400mhz @cas 9
 
its cool but really, unless you are buying them to benchmark, its not worth the price difference from 1600, you wont see a difference if you overclock properly
 
sadly, at least in my case and i believe justin had the same luck.. at 1.65 the cas doesnt go down as you may expect it to... even though intel does prefer speed over low timings in my assessment
 
either way, yes its cool, no you dont need it
it is interesting to be able to say that you own some of the fastest ram in the world, for a few months anyway lol


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  Quote wcboltman Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 01 Nov 2010 at 12:00pm
Nice thanks ender.  I figured after OC there wouldn't be much difference, but I'll probably go for it anyway.
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Just because the RAM can run @ 2500Mhz does not mean your mobo and or IMC will be capable of it, and the skill of the person also comes into play.  Big%20Smile

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Originally posted by justin.kerr

Just because the RAM can run @ 2500Mhz does not mean your mobo and or IMC will be capable of it
 
very true, its not easy to find mobos in the reasonable price range that will support 2300+ and it can require some very tweaked.. possibly even risky settings
as justin said, depending on your knowledge level and price range
 
honestly, the money could be better spent in a lot better places, even if you have a high budget
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  Quote AmbientChong11 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 01 Nov 2010 at 4:59pm
Some mobos support up to that speed, but not right out of the box - might need to flash the BIOS which is a bit risky.
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  Quote AmbientChong11 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 01 Nov 2010 at 5:03pm
Originally posted by !ender_

assuming the pictures/info that has been leaked is accurate the 580 is indeed a single gpu card
which is great news, dual gpu cards are fail fail fail
 
Why is it a fail? Heat? I'm still learning andwant to learn from the experienced Big%20Smile
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  Quote !ender_ Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 01 Nov 2010 at 6:41pm
no heat its just that almost all dual gpu cards are nothing but clumsy attempts to have the "single" most powerful card, when reall, its just 2 lower end cards taped together
because of this, like with all lower end dual cards vs higher end single cards, the fps will max higher and fall lower, causing less smooth fps
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That makes sensen. Thanks ender.
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