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    Posted: 19 May 2010 at 10:45am
after amd's ownage with the 5xxx series, and there x6 release beating out the 930 at the same price, i think it should be offered.
 
and the motherboard support is better with the release of the 890fx chipset with sata 6 gig per sec, more pcie lanes ETC. 
 
any other fan boys with me? how about the intel guys.
 
plus, some people will only buy amd crap, i really dont care, but amd is usualy cheaper for the same performance.
 
awhile ago you had amd for sale, i noticed that you took it down.
 
and, can you crossfire ATI on a intel mobo??? that could be a problem there, beign that the 5870 is still slugging it out with nvidia.
 
just my 10 cents....
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I think there is an AMD x6 CPU configuration available in the budget build section.
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Originally posted by kainhall

and there x6 release beating out the 930 at the same price, i think it should be offered.

If you want to go with an AMD system that is fine, your preferences are your own, but please stop making statements like this and spreading misinformation. You can't play with people's money like that just because you like one brand more than another, and I don't like having to constantly correct you in multiple threads to prevent people who don't know any better from being mislead.

Every review and benchmark compilation I come across paints the same picture over and over, AMD's Phenom II X6 line fails to compare with Intel's quad core budget i5/i7 line in almost any way. There are only a couple rendering and encoding tasks which the new AMDs manage to beat the 930 by a small margin, in every other way they fall behind, sometimes substantially. This is very common knowledge at this point, it is beyond refute.

If someone has an older AMD system and can pop in one of the newer AMD CPUs to get more life out of their PC and not have to buy a whole new system then wonderful, I am glad they are able to. However is someone is upgrading to a whole new system then an Intel Core i5/i7 setup is the better buy, better CPU, better motherboard, same price.

But if money is no object and you still want an AMD system for other reasons, then here is the location to configure one with Digital Storm. You can find that link via the Special Deals page.
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also who cares about stock performance.. this is a gaming site, so once you start overclocking then the Intel just rapes the AMD, not a little, but by a landslide... 2 AMD 6 cores lose to one Intel quad core in some bench marks... it is not even remotely close..

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Originally posted by kainhall

and there x6 release beating out the 930 at the same price, i think it should be offered.

If you want to go with an AMD system that is fine, your preferences are your own, but please stop making statements like this and spreading misinformation. You can't play with people's money like that just because you like one brand more than another, and I don't like having to constantly correct you in multiple threads to prevent people who don't know any better from being mislead.

Every review and benchmark compilation I come across paints the same picture over and over, AMD's Phenom II X6 line fails to compare with Intel's quad core budget i5/i7 line in almost any way. There are only a couple rendering and encoding tasks which the new AMDs manage to beat the 930 by a small margin, in every other way they fall behind, sometimes substantially. This is very common knowledge at this point, it is beyond refute.

If someone has an older AMD system and can pop in one of the newer AMD CPUs to get more life out of their PC and not have to buy a whole new system then wonderful, I am glad they are able to. However is someone is upgrading to a whole new system then an Intel Core i5/i7 setup is the better buy, better CPU, better motherboard, same price.

But if money is no object and you still want an AMD system for other reasons, then here is the location to configure one with Digital Storm. You can find that link via the Special Deals page.
 
really, i have never seen you correct me in any threads. and, the intel 930 is arround 300 bucks right? and the x6 IS 300 bucks. now, stock clocks, the 930 is a bit better. but for the sake if anger reasons, i know amd is lower preformance, but its way less price.   as in i cna take a x6 and put in in my mobo thats is from 2008. try that with a i7. intel changes scocket sezes like i change my shirt, every day!
 
if you have a amd mobo, get a x6.
 
 
the main point of this is this, people, who are sometimes a bit of a fan boy will only buy amd systems.
 
and the motherborads for amd are usually cheaper, mostlikly becasue there is not a new chipset out every 40 days. the new 890fx is just as good as an intel mobo. and 8x 8x 8x 8x quad gpu does not hurt performance. gpu's dont need all 16 lanes.  now, i really dont care, i can build my own system for about 500 less, and thats great to know, DS keeps there profit to a minimum, and the warenty is a great idea because we all make doumb mistakes. im sure a DS builder has fryed a cpu overclocking it and just slaped in a new one for free. you cnat do that with newegg.com 
 
and there wire manimgent is amazing, i just dont have the patienctence to do that, i just sfuff everything that does not fit behind my mobo in to a hdd bay!!
 
and your last sentience is what i mean, poeple, if intel suddly makes there cpus cheap (when montana gets its STATE population over 1 milion mabey) intel will stop making $$1200 cpu's and 600 buck mobo's.
 
the x6 and the 890fx are both released in april, the cpu is 300 and the mobo is 200. thats 500 bucks. ram is another 50, hdd is a nother 150. so thats 700 bucks.
 
psu is 100 and all the other crap aka gpu is 200 bucks, that comes to 1000 total, not
including OS. that means, with OS thats 1200 bucks. i can bild a whole system with amd and ati for less then a SIGNLE intel chip, and still get the same frame rates.  you dont need 999 fps,  your moniter cant go that fast. once your past 60 fps you cnat tell the difference. well, there is the 125 fps jumps in the call of duty series , but thats more of a glich then a performance releated thing.
 
now, amd owns ati, and the 5xxx series was , AND STILL is f u c k i n g amazing. the failmi still has to be filled out aka 485 295 475 460 with more rebranded cards, more cards with overheating problems 
 
thanks NV for that 9800gt that got to 120 C every day when playing half life 2 with a 2 foot by 2 foot fan on high blowing into my case with with side off and it stil gets to 120C then you say i overclocked when the card was factory overclocked! it was evga.
 
besides the rebranding 8800gt is a 9800gt but each step is a nother 100 bucks
 
the 3xx is the old 2xx cards!!!!! ati as never rebranded, and, with all the money that AMD has made with the ATI cards, you would think that they would have something up there sleeve for intel. the bulldozer is going to be simply amazing. but, i think amd has something else. even more powerfull. see, they will steal the i7 cpu and copy it, AKA bulldozer and when every one is freaking out about that chip, amd will releae somethign even more powerfull and hold the world ransom for............ONE MILLION DOLLERS!!!!!!!!!!
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and, i can overclock any BE cpu from amd to 4.4 ghz on air. intel does about the same. mabey all the reviewers are use to intel cpus and dont know how the over clock a AMD cpu. when i frost tryed a AMD i was confused. was ok at intel. you buy a i7 and buy a x6 and a new mobo for me, and I will overclock the amd, you clock the i7 and lets see who wins in a little call of duty unided offencive HQ. becasue i can run that with a celeron and a gforce 4mx on max!!!!
 
or, we could play red orchestra heroes of stalingrad when i comes out. or is that to realistick  with all that bullet drop???? bullets dont drop in real life!!
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Intel > AMD

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Originally posted by kainhall

 
really, i have never seen you correct me in any threads. and, the intel 930 is arround 300 bucks right? and the x6 IS 300 bucks. now, stock clocks, the 930 is a bit better. but for the sake if anger reasons, i know amd is lower preformance, but its way less price.   as in i cna take a x6 and put in in my mobo thats is from 2008. try that with a i7. intel changes scocket sezes like i change my shirt, every day!
 
The i7 socket is from 2008, like we have told you so many times... so I can take my 2008 motherboard and put in a new 6 core, no issues..
 
 
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Originally posted by kainhall

and, i can overclock any BE cpu from amd to 4.4 ghz on air. intel does about the same. mabey all the reviewers are use to intel cpus and dont know how the over clock a AMD cpu. when i frost tryed a AMD i was confused. was ok at intel. you buy a i7 and buy a x6 and a new mobo for me, and I will overclock the amd, you clock the i7 and lets see who wins in a little call of duty unided offencive HQ. becasue i can run that with a celeron and a gforce 4mx on max!!!!
 
or, we could play red orchestra heroes of stalingrad when i comes out. or is that to realistick  with all that bullet drop???? bullets dont drop in real life!!
If you ever get a AMD 6 core, post up your benchmarks, and then you will se how poorly your AMD 6 core performs...I bet you qon't even be 1/2 the Intel scores.. Smile maybe 1/3
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Originally posted by kainhall

really, i have never seen you correct me in any threads.

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Originally posted by kainhall

and, the intel 930 is arround 300 bucks right? and the x6 IS 300 bucks. now, stock clocks, the 930 is a bit better. but for the sake if anger reasons, i know amd is lower preformance, but its way less price.

Oh, so you do admit the 930 performs better, wonderful. I guess the over abundance of benchmarks from countless sites showing this is hard to disprove isn't it. This is why you need to stop randomly posting "the x6 beats out the 930" all the time, it is a lie and you admit it, and I'm getting tired of correcting you every time you say it.

Here's another thing hard to disprove: The 920 is $255, and the 930 is $275.

Originally posted by kainhall

as in i cna take a x6 and put in in my mobo thats is from 2008. try that with a i7. intel changes scocket sezes like i change my shirt, every day!
 
if you have a amd mobo, get a x6.

By all means, if you have an older AMD system you want to upgrade instead of buying a whole new system, get one of the newer AMDs for it, just like we'll be getting cheap 6 core i7s for our x58 systems down the road. But if you are buying a whole new system, an Intel system is the better buy right now. Also, funny fact, Core i7 systems came out in 2008 as well.
 
Originally posted by kainhall

and the motherborads for amd are usually cheaper, mostlikly becasue there is not a new chipset out every 40 days. the new 890fx is just as good as an intel mobo. and 8x 8x 8x 8x quad gpu does not hurt performance. gpu's dont need all 16 lanes.

AMD motherboards are often cheaper because they have inferior performance and less functionality. The new 890FX is NOT as good as the x58 Intel line, this is another fallacy you need to stop repeating. AMD boards have less functionality, an inferior northbridge, an inferior southbridge, and inferior memory bandwidth. And yes newer GPUs do lose performance on PCIe x8 lanes, the GTX 480 and ATI 5970 already lose anywhere from 5% to 15%, any faster GPUs to come out in the future will be bottlenecked even more.

Originally posted by kainhall

and your last sentience is what i mean, poeple, if intel suddly makes there cpus cheap (when montana gets its STATE population over 1 milion mabey) intel will stop making $$1200 cpu's and 600 buck mobo's.

I'm going to let you in on a little secret, since you either haven't picked up on it yet or just ignore it on purpose so you can keep yelling "omg omg $1200 CPU hurr hurr!" Do you know what the difference between a 920, 930, 950 and 960 are? Nothing, they're all the exact same chip with different numbers stamped on them. You know what the difference between those and a 975 Extreme is? The 975 has an unlocked multiplier and slightly better memory bandwidth, which means extreme overclockers can get a bit more out of it since it isn't tied to memory overlocking with a locked multiplier, but for everyone else it too is basically the same chip.

A 920, 930, 950, 960, and 975 all clocked at 4.0Ghz all preform exactly the same. So you buy a 920 for $255, overclock to 4.0-4.5Ghz and call it a day. Then you go ahead and feel bad for any poor saps who bought any of the more expensive ones, and feel bad for anyone who likes to say "omg omg $1200 CPUs hurr hurr."

Originally posted by kainhall

the x6 and the 890fx are both released in april, the cpu is 300 and the mobo is 200. thats 500 bucks. ram is another 50, hdd is a nother 150. so thats 700 bucks. psu is 100 and all the other crap aka gpu is 200 bucks, that comes to 1000 total, not including OS. that means, with OS thats 1200 bucks. i can bild a whole system with amd and ati for less then a SIGNLE intel chip, and still get the same frame rates.  you dont need 999 fps,  your moniter cant go that fast. once your past 60 fps you cnat tell the difference. well, there is the 125 fps jumps in the call of duty series , but thats more of a glich then a performance releated thing.


Here, let me just copy/paste what I said to correct you on this before:
Originally posted by Dragoonseal

I hate when people say things like this, it is purposely misleading by leaving out a lot of key information. Basically you pick all the cheapest parts possible to make an AMD computer, give the total price, and then make it sound as if it would be much more expensive to make an equivalent Intel computer. The fact is the only differences between the two will be the processor, motherboard, and RAM, you don't factor in the price of anything else because all the rest of the parts, case, PSU, GPU, OS, and DVD drive are going to be the same.

So lets see what Newegg has to say about the prices.
AMD System:
AMD Phenom II X6 1055T
Price: $205
BIOSTAR TA890GXE AM3 890GX Micro Motherboard
Price: $120
OCZ Gold 4GB DDR3 1600Mhz
Price: $100 (after rebate)
Total Price: $425

Intel System:
Intel Core i7 920
Price: $280
EVGA x58 LE Motherboard
Price: $180
G.SKILL 3GB DDR3 1600Mhz
Price: $95
Total Price: $555

Price Difference: $130

So if you could make an AMD system for $1200, you could make an Intel system for $1330 that is superior in almost every way.

I go where the money takes me, I'm a bang for the buck type of person. Prices say if you're building a new system the AMD Phenom II x6 is in no way a good bang for the buck buy, you give up way way too much performance, functionality, and compatibility for an insignificant $135. You could probably save more than that just stepping down to the socket 1156 (P55) Intel Core i5/i7 line, and even that I wouldn't recommend to any but the most severely budget limited people.

So to summarize: get your facts straight, stop posting bad information, stop posting outright lies. We're all tired of it, it's getting ridiculous.

But hey, enjoy your AMD Phenom II X6 when you get it. Let us know how long it takes you to get it to 4.5Ghz and what the temperatures look like when you do.
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SmileSmileOuch I am waiting to see that to. lol
 
here is a list of some very good overclockers with very nice AMD 6 core setups..gives a good average of what good overclockers can do with this CPU.


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first of all, i can seriously tell fps differences anywhere up to 100 fps. the 60 fps is a freaking AVERAGE dammit, -_- secondly, yes, you can overclock to 4.4Ghz, hooray, good for you. BENCHMARK INFO PLZ Unhappy

and why does intel keep remaking sockets? I dunno, make the processor chipsets BETTER? jeeze, what's smarter, force yourself to use an old generation chipset with limited potential, or unlimit your self and keep chunking out newer, better, more up to date chipsets that can tolerate more?


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well, am3 still has potential. and yes, intel is the most power chip out now. and as for the 1200 cpu or compleate system, if you buy a 980X intel, thats 1200 bucks, so, your computer is a little off priced there.
 
and OMG 2008 WOW. the am3 has been arround for way longer then that.
 
and the chipsets, intel is using so much advertising that you are almost brain washed (not trying to sound like a fan boy-medit lit class kicking in). now, intel has like a sh*t tonn of peopel working for them. amd has like 10,000. for 1% of intels total people there doing a hell of a job. especally when you take into account that 10,000 people also make ATI things. so intel outnumbers them. more people equals mass media spam. have you ever seen a amd comericial??
 
and, when i buy the classifyed board for 600 bucks, then the p55 come out then this then this then this you now have 6 motherboards and waste 5000 bucks on just mobo's. and amd's NB is fine. why, no intel crap to run like hyperthreading. or a huge marketing gimmic the 4 lanes of 16x. you only need 8x for every card out now.
 
and, take out hyperthreading, and use the same clocks. intel = amd. both have turbo core or turbo boost. that do much the same thing. yes intel has more L3 cashe, but amd is realizign this.
 
and the intel chips past teh 930 ROFL stomp amd chips. but, amd has never released a chip over 400 bucks. never. now look at intel with every new chip they make they have at least a 1000 price. yes, more then twice the performance, but why not drop the price to the minimun and kill amd, why, intel is greedy. they have the best and charge WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY to much for it. every one can aggree to that.
 
amd is owning the lower end market. where most people are. the people on here have money set aside only for computers.
 
 
and justin, loving that 4.4 on water with 54C load. simply loving it.
 
and the fps limit, i really cant. if i showed you a immage, with no fps meter of a 200 fps and a 60 fps game, would you be able to tell? infact have some one use te fps_max xxx command to do that, and dont be a cheater and see if you can really tell. now, if i get 50 fps, im happy, it does not jump arround, lag, ETC.
 
and, when i sell my go cart, fix my turck, and pay off my truck i will get a X6 system up and go up agenst you guys in a game of whatever.
 
and, the intel chipsets, can you crossfire ati cards on there or is it only NV sli???
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 kainhall every single word you speak is false.... come on, this is getting really old.

 
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"the am3 has been out longer than that"

you just proved my point

"and the chipsets, intel is using so much advertising that you are almost brain washed"

advertising? for computer tech? where? *looks around*

"now, intel has like a sh*t tonn of peopel working for them. amd has like 10,000."

um, who cares...

" yes, more then twice the performance, but why not drop the price to the minimun and kill amd, why, intel is greedy. they have the best and charge"

2x the performance for a little more cash, that makes sense -.-

"and justin, loving that 4.4 on water with 54C load. simply loving it."

on water. awesome. your guys had to do it using vapo-chills that cost $600 or more.

"and the fps limit, i really cant. if i showed you a immage, with no fps meter of a 200 fps and a 60 fps game, would you be able to tell?"

yes, i can immediately tell.

"amd is owning the lower end market. where most people are. the people on here have money set aside only for computers."

alright, so amd owns for cost-effectiveness. here? this is a gaming PC website where people have pockets of cash and want the best they have. what you just said is irrelevant...

"and, the intel chipsets, can you crossfire ati cards on there or is it only NV sli???"

yes, you can crossfire on any intel chipset that has the required slots -.-
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take me for example... i have been saving for a top end computer since the 965 came out... the money set aside is purely for that and only that.

now i am roughly 90% there to getting my dream with a great monitor... or 100% there if i wanted to be smart and get a 920 instead of a 980 ($800 difference)

kainhall please don't say we haven't corrected you before... remember the 980 vs amd6 poll?

also the avg human eye can see 60 fps... some can see up to 75 fps. this differs from person to person... just like audio what sounds like to gold to a avg ear scream bloody murder to a great ear.

amd is for cheap people who want mediocrity intel is for people who don't mind paying a little more for perfection.

you get a ferrari of a rig here would you really want to water it down with a ford engine?

also when in a overclocking environment never ever bring up stock specks since they are completely irrelevant. in the year i have been viewing and lurking the forums i have only seen 1 non oc cpu.

i will give you a bone here... if i was ever going to shop at dell again i would chose a amd 6 core with turbo boost over a 920 if there was no overclocking available
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yep. you go to a place that doesn't offer custom OC'ing with each and every system? AMD all the way for stock speeds. you go to DS who offers custom OC'ing for each and every system? Intel Monster Overclocks FTW
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