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    Posted: 22 Jan 2010 at 12:59am
  Mr Kerr,
 
     I wanted to go over the LC system you've recommended a few times. 
 
   1. GPU blocks (EK's?)                                                           Nickel  coated
   2.  Tubing choice (type etc, fittings if different etc)                     Compression
   3.  Fans. (Is there a color choice?)
   4.  Rad's
   5.  Controller (Is one recommended) Lamptron FC-3 or which if necessary/Rec. 
   
     I know this is rehash, but while my baby Winkis getting her glitches ironed out (one being massive GPU heat readings) I wanted to exercise the budget.  That is the budget for stock LC6 and your version.  Stock is around 1,000.00, and is any of this long lead (back order type, or difficult to aquire/use/etc).
 
    You have suggested XSPC radiators (HAF 932 CASE) do both need to be this manufacture and the size, model # etc for this case.
 
    You have suggested Scythe gentle typhoon 1150 rpm fans.  Quantity and size for your recommended build.
 
     And any of the other items I have noted above that should be changed. (upgraded) 
 
Other than the LC6 change below I think this is my build.  This decision is dependent on results of DSO RMA testing etc. 
 
Bill
 
Chassis Model: Cooler Master HAF 932 (Black OPS Edition)
Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish
Trim Accents: - Standard Factory Finish
Processor: Intel Core i7 920 2.66GHz (Quad Core)
Motherboard: EVGA X58 Classified 3X SLI (Intel X58 Chipset) (Supports Triple SLI or CrossFire)
System Memory: 6GB DDR3 1600MHz Mushkin Enhanced Silverline Series
Power Supply: 1000W Corsair (Dual/Triple/Quad SLI Compatible)
Expansion Bay: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 1: Operating System: 1x (300GB Western Digital VelociRaptor (10K RPM) (16MB Cache) (Extreme Speed)
Set 1 Raid Options: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 2: Multimedia\Data: 1x (1TB Seagate/Western Digital (7200 RPM) (32MB Cache) (SATA) (Extreme Speed)
Hard Drive Set 3: Backup\Misc.: - No Thanks
Optical Drive 1: Blu-Ray Player/DVD Writer (Play Blu-Ray and Burn DVDs)
Optical Drive 2: DVD±R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 22x / CD-Writer 48x) (LightScribe Edition)
Internet Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections)
Video Card(s): 2x CrossFire Dual (ATI Radeon HD 5870 1GB) (XFX HD-587A-ZND9 XXX Edition)
Add-on Card: - No Thanks
Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio
Extreme Cooling: AIR: Stage 1: Noctua Dual 120mm Fans High Performance Cooler (Compatible With ONLY i7 Processors)
H20 Tube Color: - Not Applicable, I do not have a FrostChill or Sub-Zero LCS Cooling System Selected
Chassis Airflow: Standard Factory Chassis Fans
Internal Lighting: - No Thanks
Enhancements: - No Thanks
Chassis Mods: - No Thanks
Noise Reduction: - No Thanks
CPU Boost: FREE: Stage 1: Overclock the processor between 3.3GHz to 3.9GHz (Requires Air Cooling Upgrade)
Graphics Boost: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my video card(s)
Memory Boost: Memory Fan Kit Only (Does not include memory overclocking service)
OS Boost: - No Thanks, Please do not tweak the services on the operating system
Windows OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Professional (64-Bit Edition)
Restore Kit: Digital Storm Specialized Recovery System (DVD Image Based)
Virus Protection: - No Thanks
Office: Microsoft Office 2007 Business (Word Excel Outlook Publisher PowerPoint Accounting)
Benchmarking: - No Thanks
Pre-Install Game: Call of Duty: World At War (Pre-Install, apply updates, and test gameplay with my syste
Display: - No Thanks
Surge Shield: - No Thanks
Speakers: - No Thanks
Keyboard: - No Thanks
Mouse: - No Thanks
External Storage: - No Thanks
Exclusive T-Shirt: FREE: Digital Storm T-Shirt - Black (Large)
Priority Build: - No Thanks, Ship Within 5-10 Business Days After Order Is Successfully Processed
Warranty: !PROMO BUNDLE: 4 Year Platinum Care Extended Parts & Labor Warranty (
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1. GPU blocks, the EK's are a very good choice, with the Swiftechs getting better temps on the GPU chips, but poorer temps on the VRM's, the rest do not consider.
2. tubing will not matter much, I like Primochill pro LRT, because it seals a bit better, and has a tighter bend radius.
3. fans, for radiator fans the Gentle Typhoons are the way to go. they produce great static pressure, and produce a sound that is at a different frequency than other fans, making the perceived sound much quieter. 1150 RPM will be silent, with the 1450 RPM being very quiet, and giving 1.5-2C better temps.
4. the XSPC RX series is very good with low speed fans, and has very low water flow restriction, which is key, higher flow= lower temps. The Thermochill rads will nearly match the XSPC at low RPM, and will beat it at 1450 RPM and up, but at a added cost.
5. Fan controller in not needed for the 1150 RPM fans, they will be silent, and offer good temps.. If you go with the 1850 RPM fans, then a fan controller would be nice, so when benching you can get better temps, 2-3C, and for normal use slow them down, but I doubt that would make much sense for your application. Also a radiator like the Thermochill would be nice in that scenario.  A dual radiator for the CPU is the min. a triple would be a better idea, for the GPU's a dual will cool the 2 5870's nicely
6. lastly make sure they put the fans on correctly. Embarrassed a low speed fan setup, pulling hot air across the rad will kill all you are trying to do.
 
your build looks fine air cooled. water cooling can be great, but the cost is significant, for the results, especially if it is not silent. lol
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Posts: 195 		  Quote Newbieevgaati Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 22 Jan 2010 at 10:17pm
@Kerr,
    Can you help me find the fans, rads and controller?  I live in Ca. in the Northern Bay area.  (I don't feel comfy sending my money to Nigeria, see filters...lol)  Anyone you've had good results with.  Thanks for repeating it for me.
 
     To confirm I feel I should if I am going to supply this material it makes sense to me to get as much as possible. (This is to KISS keep it simple s ----- for me)
 
      So I would love it if you could confirm the following:
 
           Quantity            size                            Description          
                1                   Tripple                       XSPC Radiatior
                1                    Dual                         XSPC Radiator
                2                    5870 Ati                    EK nickle coated water blocks w/ second plate
                5                    92mm                       Scythe Gentle typhoon 1150/1450 rpm
               # ?                     ?                            Fittings
 
               # ?                    ?                            Tubing with wrap (black) I like the look
               1                        ?                             Dual chamber resevoir
               1                        ?                             Pump
               1                                                       Fan/pump controller
 
     I got a little worried when I started thinking about numbers if I am to get this material.  I am guessing I'd replace the stock fans (noise) with quieter units? 
They are 220mm fans Three one in front, at the top and on the side.  The top and rear fan (140mm) I am thinking are removed and replace with the rads and new fans?  So, that would leave the front fan and side fan.  I could replace with smaller fans.  (That meet our dBA standard set with the gentle typhoons)  A lighted version for the front and side might be a good idea.  I like blue if availible? 
Also I should not forget I have the RAM fan from DS?  If not silent is more important I could add leds...  Also should I get a pump controller or just fan.
 
   And the more I think about it the more I'd feel better if I use a controller, do I need one for the pump/fan system?  Recommendation?
 
     The Digital storm package comes with a pump resevior, CPU, chipset cooler, and the EK blocks if these are good I'll leave them alone.  We could add tubing and fittings (unless you've got a differnt idea) 
 
 
 
Bill
 
 


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1. radiators yes, but make sure they are th RX series, other series is junk
2. Gpu block, check
3. 120MM scythe gentle typhoon, pick your poison on RPM
4. DS uses good compression fittings, so no need to change a thing there, unless you request some rotaries. lol amount, 12
5. tubing is good
6.pump/res all good
fan controller I would pass, unless you go 1850 RPM fans, then I would also go to Thermochill radiators. the pumps run at full speed, can't have too much flow, some of us use 2 or three pumps in one loop to increase the flow. lol, but not needed at all for your case.
the stock fans are decent, and they are easy to adjust the speed if you have issues, I would flip the big side fan so it exhausted out, but that is just me.
RAM fan is quiet, it will be connected to the motherboard so  its speed can be adjusted
 
DS uses different GPU blocks, I have seen some with koolnace blocks, so I would try to make sure you got the EK or swiftech
 
fans
 
radiators
 
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Posts: 195 		  Quote Newbieevgaati Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 24 Jan 2010 at 3:41am
@ K,
 
Thanks reviewing the info will do a build/order sheet with part # and Qty's etc
just to make sure I am not missing anything.  We are still testing and verifying whether i need lc.  but if I am going to do it it should match the beauty of my baby so far and not detract and eakin out that last little for a few $$ more well time and effort well spent.  Thermal rads part number and POC?  Thanks againLOL  Thanks again.
 
Bill


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thermochill radiators? here
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     Thanks again.  For some reason I had to go out to get into the thremochill rads at that site?  Kept saying no match.  And I wanted to make sure on the part no.
 
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works fine for me. lol  did you get the part numbers?
 
 
 
Here is pretty much all of the triple radiators, with a comparison using different speed fans. the numbers are degrees in Celsius above ambient temp, so lower numbers will get better temps for your CPU, or GPU(s) you can see that the XSPC rocks with slow fans, and the Thermochill does great at most any speed, also you can see what difference fan speeds make.
 
 
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Posts: 195 		  Quote Newbieevgaati Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 25 Jan 2010 at 1:35am
@Kerr,
 
     Thanks put together the spreadsheets is jab-tech reliable?  Not much on the web site as to where they are.?  And they did not have the Water Blocks Ek's?
Well I found them at Frozen CPU have you dealt with them?  Well thanks  Tomorrow be the big decision day I think with any luck? 
 
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jab tec is an excellent store. usually his pricing is about the best to.. I also do a lot of business with Gary the owner of sidewinders     http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/
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@Kerr,
Thanks again.
 
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