ANY 1 thinking of Switching over to AMD now1

Ive looked now  at the Phenom 2 black edition and they have better ratings at higer end gaming than the i7's take a gander at this.

lol this proves my point AMD's been behind and they already have a cpu that can match and in some cases beat an 920 idc about the 965 #1 it cost 2 much #2 the eprformance isnt so much better that it just blows amd outta the water. cool they get better mulltitasking ratings and such but i dont care bout that im buing a DS computer for gaming not mulittasking an an Phenom 2 black at like 107 vs 965 at 1000 i think im going with AMD now that the little scadnles up AMD will get alot more cash influx form sympathetics and such give it 2 years and we'll see just how much diffrence these 2 companies make right now in GAMAING its not that much.

Sympathy? I don't know about you but I spend my money to buy things that are the best bang for the buck and will last me a decent amount of time. My sister has an AMD computer and I have 3 intel computers. My old intel computer still kicks my sisters new amd computers ass. I'm not gonna throw my money away on amd when I know that Intel is the better company. The EU can kiss my ass for all I care. First they go after Microsoft now they go after Intel, whats next WalMart? I think the bigger question is what is the EU doing for people with the money they steal, i mean take from companies like Microsoft?

intel isnt scamming LOL! they just make better products and everyone feels bad for AMD (cpus)

ONce again my points not to say that AMD was BETTER THAN the i7's

Actually, that's what I gathered from your first post.  I took it that you were saying that maybe now AMD will have a better opportunity to gain market share considering the present state of Intel over there.  I wouldn't try and sell your point anymore.  Point well taken.

Pssst!
The Phenom II was developed to compete with the Core 2 Quad, not the i7.

Look at the pricing.

In a fair comparision its no contest and the i7 can be upgraded, phII socket will not support the 6core future cpu.

Edited by DST4ME - 14 May 2009 at 8:42pm

Ill say this, when it first came out that Microsoft had an unfair advantage with IE their market share started to drop. Since then it has continued to drop. Their may be some hope for AMD but (as much as I like them) they need to put money into certain aspects of their company in order to stand a chance.

Phew, always a heated discussion when it's Intel vs AMD. I've been an AMD fan, but I keep it realistic too. Simply put, if I want a budget PC with decent power, I'd go AMD. But if I had more money to spend, I'd get an Intel. There's not much debate in which CPU is more powerful, but there is something to be said about spending ALOT less for a reasonable amount or performance. But that's just me.

I just love how everybody acts like they know every aspect of AMD and there is nothing AMD is doing wrong.

I guess AMD is the only company in the whole world that is an angel and has done nothing wrong.

ya right

if tables were turned and amd was the big chip company you would all be praising Intel for its supposed ethical ways

amd = budget

Intel = high performance that will beat AMD in games and every other task out there and as with phII and i7, the i7 owner can upgrade to the next round of CPU (6 core) the phII owner can enjoy their slower, outdated, none CPU upgradable system.

I mean seriously, does everybody here only use their PC for gaming? cause if you do anything else other then gaming the i7 will show even more performance gain, none of you OC? burned CDs? encode videos? use photoshop? zip or compress files? etc etc.

can we drop this pointless discussion? all the talking in the world is not gonna let a phII owner do what an i7 owner can do.

is amd a good chip for a budget build? you bet.

is your money better spent on an i7 right now? you bet.

Edited by DST4ME - 15 May 2009 at 4:40pm

actually its a pointless discussion cause no matter what one thinks 2 + 2 equals, at the end of the day it equals 4, everybody can disagree but its pointless, cause there is a fact for that question already.

opinions only matter to real life when there is no fact, otherwise during the day one can think its night all one wants, its not gonna change day to night.

people are free to discuss their opinion, that includes me, and my opinion is that a discussion on "what does 2 plus 2 equal" is a pointless discussion, there is already an answer for that question based on facts.

all I asked was if we could stop discussing something that already has an answer based on facts and perhaps start discussing something else that does not have an answer to.

as for ethics, I'm sorry if I'm not willing to believe people's opinion on amd due to the fact that they have no facts for what they are saying, if anything the facts point to oposite of what they are saying.

if somebody has proof that amd has never ever done anything unethical, I'm more then willing to have that discussion and look over their proof, but anything other then that is basically blowing air. thats all I'm saying.

of course those are my take on this topic, people are free to continue of course, I have no control over this thread and if I did, I wouldn't close it, I just asked if we could stop having a discussion based on no facts when there are facts for the subject already, its pointless, IMHO

I mean I don't know you tell me, is there a point on discussing what 2 plus 2 equals, if we already know what the answer is?

to me its no different then try to discuss how a 260+ is better then 4870x2 based on performance, its pointless, the 4870x2 is better and any further discussion is a waste of time.

I'm not saying all this because I like intel, I say this because facts show intel is better in performance.

for example I love ATI, I used to be the biggest ATI fan, after AMD took them over, their performance and quality went down, I'm still hopping for a true ATI come back but till it can beat Nvidia, unfortunately I'm buying Nvidia for my purposes. I'm still an ATI fan tho.

I would love to buy American cars but till they can give me the quality of other cars in their class, I'm not going to get one, I would end up paying more then if I owned a none American. this does not mean that I don't like American make car, this means that I don't like low quality made American make car, give me a Toyota comparable American made and I will by the American made all day, all day.

Edited by DST4ME - 15 May 2009 at 6:00pm

One point you fail to realise is that both AMD and Intel cpus can run well. Intel is faster and in some applications will save you massive seconds of precious time... 
Intel can give you a few frames per second more, but AMD can come close enough in all your fave games that you can't tell the difference unless you run benchtests. If you're trying for the almighty OC record for fame and glory, then you need your Intel i7. If you're like most people, however, that extra speed means little.

Both companies make good products. Intel has the top stuff, but AMD still has what it takes to do everything you could want a computer to do. Hey, if you wanna extreme overclock, phII cpus can do well with NO2 also. Why you would wanna do it is beyond me, but get your rox off with either flavor.

In the end, whatever brand you go with, it won't make your homework go any faster, won't make it any more fun to pay the bills, and won't ruin your gameplay.

So many of you complain that anyone who buys AMD must be a fanboy, yet the strange thing is, their cpus can get the job done too. So, why not consider an option when purchasing?

Finally, regarding AMD excercising fair business practices. Why should I have to prove to you that they haven't done anything wrong. Innocent until proven guilty springs to mind. Intel has had their hands dirty for as long as I can remember... way back with the 8088.

Originally posted by widdlecat Why should I have to prove to you that they haven't done anything wrong. Innocent until proven guilty springs to mind.

few reasons,

1. we were not born yesterday, we know how things work.

2. you are the one making a statement, back it up with facts or they are just words.

3. we are not in the court of law.

1. you are the one makeing the big assumptions

2. with all due respect your statment is in quotes:

Originally posted by widdlecat [QUOTE=widdlecat] Why should I have to prove to you that they haven't done anything wrong. Innocent until proven guilty springs to mind.

3. the innoecent until proven guilty is one of our miranda rights, and used in a court of law.

4. just because you want to see no reason does not mean there is no reason, as I said some of us were not born yeterday.

this is not going anywhere, bottom line, i7 gives me the option to upgrade to a newer CPU next year, while amd's ph II is being discontinued and can't be upgraded, the i7 out performs the amd also, the price difference is less then $200, thus because I'm smart and want the most performance for may money not to mention being able to upgrade and running the newest technology, Intel gets my money and my recommendation.

If anybody wants to show me amd can out perform the i7 and can be upgraded to the next round of new CPUs and uses the newest technology then show me the amd platform that does all of that and OCes as well as the i7 also and I will buy and recommend amd.

Otherwise words are here and gone like the wind.

Edited by DST4ME - 15 May 2009 at 6:53pm

I think the main point is this, Intel does give better performance if you NEED to push it to the max. Personally, I dont play any games that would require me to OC a 3.2 Quad Core CPU so the only reason I would is for bragging rights. The games I play now will not show me any performance difference between the AMD and the Intel. I dont OC so either is fine. My deciding factor is the reliability. As I have said before this is all personal experience.

But to make the assertion that AMD is not even an option because Intel out performes it when OC'ed is illogical. It is a viable option for most people. I dont need to stroke my ego by getting 200 FPS in a game. Once you read a certain point the FPS wont even make a difference. You probably cant tell the difference between 100fps and 130fps. I doubt you would even know the frame rate dropped from 130 to 100 without a benchmark telling you.

AMD is a viable option if you are not trying to OC the hell out of your processor.