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  Quote Tuhngsten Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Topic: Anything unnecessary?
    Posted: 01 Oct 2010 at 4:00pm
I have my prospective computer build in mind but before I ordered I wanted to know the communities thoughts on it and if I might be spending more than I should on unnecessary options.

First off I don't have a budget.
Secondly this computer will be primarily gaming with the occasional Photoshop projects and movies.
I already have a 2TB USB plug in external hard drive but I dread having to unplug and wrap it up to carry with my laptop so I still need adequate space on my desktop to hold whatever it is I download until I plug in my external and move things over.
What I imagine this build to do is allow me to have nice crisp frame rates in online games(IE. Modern Warfare 2, Battlefield Bad Company, WoW, etc.) where there's a lot of things going on while at the same time running other programs in the background so I can Alt back and forth.

Also, the only question I have is whether it's better to have a 2x graphics card or just run a single. I've thought about having a dual monitor setup but don't know much about setting that up.


My Build:

http://www.digitalstormonline.com/comploadsaved.asp?id=444677

Chassis Model: Special Deal Hot Seller - Cooler Master HAF 932
Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish
Trim Accents: - Standard Factory Finish
Processor: Intel Core i7 Extreme Edition 980X 3.33GHz (Six-Core) (Extreme Performance)
Motherboard: EVGA X58 SLI 3 Edition (Intel X58 Chipset) (Features USB 3.0 and SATA 6Gb/s) (Model: 131-GT-E767)
System Memory: 6GB DDR3 1600MHz Digital Storm Certified Performance Series  (Highly Recommended) (Hand Tested)
Power Supply: 1200W Digital Storm Certified (Dual/Triple/Quad SLI Compatible) (Silent Edition Highly Recommended)
Hard Drive Set 1: Operating System: 1x (1.5TB Seagate Barracuda (7200 RPM) (32MB Cache)
Optical Drive 1: DVD-R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 24x / CD-Writer 48x)
Internet Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections)
Video Card: 1x NVIDIA GeForce GTX 480 1.5GB (Includes PhysX Technology)
Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio
Extreme Cooling: H20: Stage 6: Sub-Zero LCS Dual Loop: CPU & Dual SLI/CrossFire Video Cards & Chipset
H20 Tube Color:Blue Tubing with High-Performance Fluid (UV Lighting Reactive)
Chassis Airflow: Standard Factory Chassis Fans
Internal Lighting: Internal Chassis Lighting System (Blue)
Boost Processor: FREE: Stage 1: Overclock the processor between 3.3GHz to 3.9GHz (Cooling Upgrade Recommended)
Boost Video Card: FREE: Yes, Overclock the video card(s) as much as possible with complete stability
Boost OS: FREE: Yes, Disable and tweak all of the non-crucial services on the operating system
Windows OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium (64-Bit Edition)
Recovery Tools: Windows Recovery Toolkit (Bundled with Windows 7 CD)


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  Quote !ender_ Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 01 Oct 2010 at 4:35pm

im sorry, you will need to explain a little better what you mean by "Anything unnecessary?" to get a proper answer here, if you mean unnecessary in the sense of: would my computer still do everything listed as needs and wants without any of this very expensive hardware? then yes, lots.

if what youre asking is if you chose anything redundant or incompatible: the liquid cooling option you chose is for 2 video cards, but you only have 1 selected
and the case you chose isnt the best suited for stage 6 liquid cooling
 
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  Quote maxyme Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 01 Oct 2010 at 10:06pm
the i7 950 will do you fine but if your willing to spend $1000 on the extreme edition i would at least get the 4.0 to 4.2 ghz overclock
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  Quote Raif Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 02 Oct 2010 at 10:40pm
drop the os tweak, you wont notice it with todays cpus also if you need something that was disabled... A. re-enable your self whicvh you need to know how to, B. call ds for a walk threw. even if it is free it still isn't worth it.

drop vid card boost b/c it will create a lot more heat for only 3-7% increase in performance depending on app or game. it isn't like cpu oc which can see 90%+ increases in performance.

what photoshop will you be using? cs7? cs7 is one of the few programs ut that can handle hex cores if you do a lot of photoshop work then it is worth it. however if you mostly game there isn'ta  real point to it yet b/c they can use 2.5 cores max. so if you use programs that can't use all 6 the rest are sitting in a corner knitting and thats wasted money.

as a gamer you wont need anythign higher then 3.89 ghz after that you wont notice a difference. if your doing 3d movies, animation, folding, movie editing, medical research, science research ect then it may be worth it to go higher. think of a 2ghz cpu like a 120 watt lightbulb (now imagine 4ghz) they get hot which why they need cooling. no matter how much cooling you have that hot air is still going to getg dumped outside fo your case so it is important your room is also properly ventilated and/or cooled


lc: the lc you chose is very nice however you don't need to chipset for a stage 1 oc 2 or 3 yes it would be recommended.


storage: they key to perforamnce with this is to have a small fast drive in slot # 1. for example 40,80,120 gb intel ssd they are much much faster then trad hdd this will help with power consumption, boot up times, load times, install times, remove times, scan times. these are very fast how ever they cost $ which is while it is ideal to have enough for you os and apps. games optional. games that frequently load will see a improvement but other thern that in terms of gaming you wont see much. but for things like photshop ect you will see very nice bonuses.

then for #2 get a wd black caviar 1tb this is where you put everythign that needs to be stored. other games movies pictures work documents ect. if you ened more space add another one. i wouldn't go for the 2tb drives yet they have higher failure rates due to density issues which should be resolved in the next year or 2.

with only one of those gpus you only need a 750 watt psu 1k watt if your a lil worried about future proofing. it takes roughly 350 watts at max load. you would only need the 1200 watt for 2x gtx 480. keep in mind the avg apt/house circuit is how many watts? do you know? 1600! so you can overload your circuit if you have a lot of gadgets and lights running on that circuit. which is one reason why we don't like to give people more psu then they really need.

do you need sli? not unless you are running 2560 x 1600 as your resolution. 1920 x 1200 and below you will get good fps with the games.


Edited by Raif - 02 Oct 2010 at 10:45pm
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  Quote maxyme Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 02 Oct 2010 at 11:32pm
cs7? don't you mean cs5?
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  Quote Raif Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 03 Oct 2010 at 1:08am
yeah i meant 5... i am really bad with typos as you can see lol.
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  Quote MagiK Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 04 Oct 2010 at 3:35pm
Raif, Id reconsider OCing the Vid cards...While Im not familiar with the specifics of the DS OC on these, I have in the past gotten marked improvements from ramping up the video cards. (9800GTX+)
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  Quote Raif Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 04 Oct 2010 at 3:39pm
for the boost in heat for marginal performance across the boards nty. 3-7% in only a few fps which is marginal come to think about it is increasing vid cards temps worth 2-4 fps? not really.
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  Quote MagiK Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 04 Oct 2010 at 3:48pm
Wish I still had the test results to show you,  that I was getting a large improvement with no issues on the heat side..but I dont have them anymore, it was more than a year ago, but having an Antec 900 case, video card heat was not an issue.

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  Quote !ender_ Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 04 Oct 2010 at 4:01pm
you can get way better improvements from overclocking video cards, but the general idea on the forum seems to be that the cards are not overclocked very much by digital storm, which i dont know for sure...
not related to the fact that there are large gains to be had, if you are willing to pay the price of the extra noise (from fermis)
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  Quote Raif Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 04 Oct 2010 at 4:03pm
really lol

explain to me why u think 10+c extra in your case is worth 2-4 fps which your eye wont even notice unless it makes the diff from choppy to smooth.
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  Quote justin.kerr Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 04 Oct 2010 at 4:11pm
Both of you are correct, and incorrect. lol
1. the largest gain you can get out of a stock PC in gaming performance is to overclock the GPU(s)
2. Digital Storm, only does a very mild overclock on them, so it is will result in a very minimal gain.
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  Quote Raif Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 04 Oct 2010 at 4:13pm
lol nice one

what about stability issues, from what i heard some apps/games will have issues with it and not even display a picture


Edited by Raif - 04 Oct 2010 at 4:15pm
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  Quote MagiK Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 04 Oct 2010 at 4:16pm
My "case" didnt have a 10+ c raise in temp  Big%20Smile
The Antec 900 is almost open air, the cards may have generated more heat but in the 15x12 office it didnt make much of an impact.  And my games did benefit very well.  *I* was happy with the results and had no negative impacts to deal with so it was a win for me. Cool
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  Quote MagiK Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 04 Oct 2010 at 4:19pm
Raif,  stability has to do with how extreme you get with the OC, in my case I didnt want to blow up the card so I didn't do anything crazy, just cranked up the clock speeds to what at the time were Deemed "reasonable" for the 9800GTX card,  I got the "safe" speeds from various on line resources.  I never had any issues witht he set up, except for one time when I wanted to see if I could get a bit crazy... (I was replacing the card so it didnt matter)
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  Quote justin.kerr Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 04 Oct 2010 at 4:22pm
Originally posted by Raif

lol nice one

what about stability issues, from what i heard some apps/games will have issues with it and not even display a picture
I run my GTX 470 with a 40% overclock, more of an overclock than DS puts on the CPU's.. lol zero stability issues
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  Quote !ender_ Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 04 Oct 2010 at 4:22pm
not sure how it makes me incorrect when thats exactly what i said, lol
 
 
not sure who told you that you gain 2-3fps with an overclock while your temps rise 10c??? lol, but thats of corse incorrect
 
also, you said case temps. gpus can have a small impact on your case temperatures, but for the most part they are a closed off part of the computer. they get intake from inside the case but blow exhaust straight out the back pci slot, even in the upper 90c range, this might impact your case temps by 1-3c, 5c if you have really bad case cooling


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  Quote MagiK Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 04 Oct 2010 at 4:27pm
Thats a great article Ender, I'll be following it *IF* DS ever gets the "Signature" systems on line for purchase  :Drooling
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  Quote Raif Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 04 Oct 2010 at 5:13pm
nice article, very interesting makes me want to oc my vid cards after i finally order
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