Aquagate Max and HAF 932Post Date: 2009-02-25 |
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BillDempsey
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Topic: Aquagate Max and HAF 932Posted: 25 Feb 2009 at 7:18pm |
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Has anyone looked at the Aquagate Max and how well it would work with the HAF 932? They are both CoolerMaster products, but their web site is nearly useless as far as information goes on what works with what.
It looks like one of the coolest-looking self-contained LC systems I've seen. I don't know how well it works, but at least it looks cool. Check it out and tell me if you know anything about it. |
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Onkel_Ken
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Posted: 25 Feb 2009 at 7:54pm |
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Bill, I don't have info on this unfortunately. But I wanted to let you know that when I referred to the HAF 932 as sounding like a box fan that I may have been in error. I notice when the PC is booting up that the box is fairly quiet and the fans on the HAF 932 all appear to be running. Once Windows loads another louder fan fires up which is the one that is making the PC sound like a box fan on moderate. It may be the GTX 295 that is contributing most to the box fan effect.
By the way, as I mentioned many times, I love my HAF 932 and I have never been happier with a computer in my life. I am pleased that you are looking forward to the new improved version of your computer headed you way. You know the folks on here are sincerely concerned when we see our friends go through grief. The only thing that makes it bearable for everybody is that we have seen these issues always resolved to the customer satisfaction. I know even when things appears to be going good that sometimes there are extra bumps in the road that seem like punishment from the gods.
Even in your situation, I worry that some crazy delivery driver will take the wooden crate as a test of their ability to mess up stuff just on purpose. Of course, the odds of this are slim but I know that even if the worse of the worse happens a few times that Digital Storm will do the right thing based upon careful review of their forum over the the many months that I have following it.
I have finally had my machine long enough to just relax and play a few games and it is really impressive the difference with a quality fast machine compared with the crap I used to use. I have done some deep Fractal diving with a program called Fractal Extreme with its trial demo. It actually ran my machine up to100% CPU usage but it was super cool to almost just fly into a fractal Mandelbrot image. Pretty cool eyecandy. Games are all running maxed out in enthistiac mode and it almost too real at times.
It is so strange to just hit an application item and have it instantly appear. Stuff like Kapersky Security Suite virus checks used to take hours and now it takes minutes. Of course now I am spoiled and wished I would have went with the 965. It is almost like going from my piece of crap 20 inch old TV to my new Sony 46" HDMI High Definition TV that makes you feel like you are an actor in the movies you are watching.
Just another week or so more and you will be like the rest of us basking in the good life with a dream machine that will make other folks crazy with envy. Just be sure not to piss off the delivery gods between now and the time your beast is shipped! Edited by Onkel_Ken - 25 Feb 2009 at 7:55pm |
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BillDempsey
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Posted: 25 Feb 2009 at 8:27pm |
Thanks Ken! It's good to hear that the louder fan you are hearing is probably the graphics card or power supply and not the case, but now you have me worried about the crazy FedEx driver taking the sturdy wooden shipping crate as a personal challenge. ![]() Yeah, I know what you mean about the move to a fast computer. Isn't it amazing how a fast machine makes you feel totally different about your software? It's like you are suddenly using it the way it was meant to be used for the first time ever. Even the little bit I was able to use my machine before I sent it back was pretty exciting. I got a small taste of the potential of that system and now I'm salivating for more! I can't wait to get mine. ![]() edit: Oh by the way, mine was loud when I first got it and I ran the tuning utility program for the graphics card (forget the name now that I don't have it in front of me) and switched the fan control to "Auto" and it suddenly got a LOT quieter. I think the default setting had the graphics cards' fans running 100% all the time, which was loud. I don't mind it getting loud when I'm actually doing something that uses the graphics card, but it's nuts to hear that when I'm browsing the Internet. Know what I mean? Edited by BillDempsey - 25 Feb 2009 at 8:32pm |
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justin.kerr
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Posted: 26 Feb 2009 at 11:24am |
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The aquagate max is not listed for 1366 chipset.
The pump is crap.
3/8 tubing. lol
aluminum radiator. ROFLMAO...
bottom line, its crap.
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Posted: 26 Feb 2009 at 3:13pm |
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I'm waiting on Thermaltake Xpressar RCB400 Series.
The Xpressar™ is a micro vapor-compression refrigeration system. The vapor-compression refrigeration system has been the most widely used method for air-conditioning of large public buildings, private residences, hotels, hospitals, theaters, restaurants and automobiles. It uses a circulating liquid refrigerant as the medium, which absorbs and removes heat from the space to be cooled and subsequently rejects that heat elsewhere. With the success of the RCS100, Thermaltake will be demoing the next generation, RCB400 series prototype in Cebit 2009. It’s a bay drive unit that cools CPU and VGA units. |
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Samael
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Posted: 26 Feb 2009 at 3:33pm |
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The next computer I need I will be building it myself and get it phase change cooled haha
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Posted: 26 Feb 2009 at 5:44pm |
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I think the RCB400 will do much better, its much simpler and clearner
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Posted: 26 Feb 2009 at 11:05pm |
Ermmm, how does something like this get around the problem of condensation? Does it never actually go below room temperature? |
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Posted: 26 Feb 2009 at 11:44pm |
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the RCS100 is about 20 degrees better then LC but I mean there is not much out about RCB400, but for what it does and how simple it is and its life, its great.
the RCS100 is explained here:
as for condensation they say this: The Xpressar™ RCS100's copper tube has covered with isolation materials to isolate the damp in contact with the copper tube. And the DC Inverter compressor has build-in intelligent IC controller, it can adjust rotating speed according to CPU loading. RCB400 has this claim: The computer system build with Xpressar RCB400 Series, CPU or VGA’s temperature is able to reach 27~29 degrees in room temperature. its easy to install, has a much longer life then pumps, and has zero maintenance. Edited by DST4ME - 27 Feb 2009 at 5:21am |
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BillDempsey
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Posted: 27 Feb 2009 at 7:50pm |
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Ouch - looks like it takes up 4 x 5.25" drive bays. Even on the HAF, that's an awful lot of bays. I'd also be worried about condensation, too. Maybe after I saw it working on a wide variety of computers without problems, I'd be convinced.
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BillDempsey
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Posted: 27 Feb 2009 at 7:53pm |
Yeah, I saw the 3/8' tubing and wondered about that myself. It actually got pretty good reviews in a few places, though. It's not like a custom DangerDen setup or anything, but it has to be a step above air. |
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DST4ME
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Posted: 27 Feb 2009 at 8:09pm |
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well they are saying they are isolating the condensation so I'm not worried about it, and yes it does take 4 bays, that is the only down side but if it can keep the CPU that cool, who cares, 2 or 3 of the bays could be taken up for pump and reservoir for LC anyways.
I saw a video of it running in PC, well actually I think there was 2 of them in one PC. |
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Posted: 27 Feb 2009 at 8:24pm |
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Oh crap, my LC is going to take up that many drive bays? Bummer. I sort of had plans for lots of hard drives and a second optical drive. I was basically planning to install as many hard drives as there are SATA ports. I guess that plan will have to be rethought.
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Posted: 27 Feb 2009 at 8:25pm |
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depends how they do it, it could take up just one, for example with a triple rad system, the triple rad will take the top bay.
you should be fine, maybe 2 at the most if you lose any. here is the way I see it with the Xpressar RCB400, I got 2 dvd drives and then the other 4 will go to the Xpressar RCB400. Edited by DST4ME - 27 Feb 2009 at 8:26pm |
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Posted: 27 Feb 2009 at 8:33pm |
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Imagine the insane overclock you will get with that fridge mounted on the chip...
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Posted: 27 Feb 2009 at 8:44pm |
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Thats all I can think about, can you imagine if it does what it says and the condensation is NP like they say, can you imagine what a 975 would be able to do with that
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Posted: 27 Feb 2009 at 8:49pm |
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You can always turn it on it's side. We do that when customers order multiple bay devices. It will work perfectly fine that way as well. However, if given the room, we let it stand up-right since it's easier to pull out.
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Posted: 27 Feb 2009 at 9:31pm |
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what do you think about the Xpressar RCB400 Alex?
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Posted: 28 Feb 2009 at 10:33am |
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Looking at the initial tests, the Xpressar keeps an I7 920 @ 3.9Ghz at about the same temp as decent water cooling. A liquid cooled setup is way cheaper to build, operate, and quieter, well it should make less noise. lol
depending on the rad, and type of fans used.
Seems like a lot of $$ for no gain.
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DST4ME
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Posted: 28 Feb 2009 at 2:24pm |
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what test? link? cause the test I have seen have it lower temps then LC.
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Posted: 28 Feb 2009 at 2:36pm |
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compared to there LC setup, which is a huge failure.
The test I am talking about used a mild OC dual core, and it did beat there LC setup. lol
Even if it could cool an I7 5C better than a good LC system, why do it?
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Posted: 28 Feb 2009 at 2:45pm |
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well the ones I have seen show it 20c lower and that was for the RCS100 the RCB400 does better.
it has zero maintenance and lasts much longer then a LC system. its has less tubes. Edited by DST4ME - 28 Feb 2009 at 2:45pm |
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justin.kerr
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Posted: 28 Feb 2009 at 2:56pm |
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I don't know about lasting longer, maybe a $5.00 fan will go out after a few years. lol
How long do you have to wait before it is ready to have the computer turned on?
Phase change set ups are cool, and most are not used for 24/7 rigs, but maybe this one will, but the cost, seems like a poor value to me.
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Posted: 28 Feb 2009 at 3:02pm |
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It sounds like a great unit, to me. I'll be watching carefully for test results from you when you get it. If it works great and there is no condensation, I'll be thinking about getting one myself, particularly if I feel like my system is still running warmer than I'd like. Zero maintenance, long lasting, and cool running is a hard combination to beat.
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DST4ME
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Posted: 28 Feb 2009 at 3:06pm |
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well lets see justin, how long does a pump last?
the RCS100 and the RCB400 are meant to run consistently. there are like your refrigerator, they run all day everyday. my computer is on all the time, we are getting into pointless stuff now aren't we justin, not to mention I don't' think you know much about this product, yet you have passed judgment on it, how long did it take to run with the test you saw? Edited by DST4ME - 28 Feb 2009 at 3:08pm |
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Posted: 28 Feb 2009 at 3:25pm |
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pump lasts 50,000 hours MTBF
all I am saying, is that it seems like a poor value. Might be a great product, but seems like a lot of cash, for small gains.
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Posted: 28 Feb 2009 at 4:00pm |
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365 x 24 = 8760 so in short the pump has a 6 year life span and the rcb400 has a much longer life.
my lc system with a good pump and triple rad, will go for about 200 to 250 without instalation or anything else. its keeps much cooler temps then lc, its cost about the same, has a much longer life span, and has zero maintenance, its super easy to install. I don't know what you are using for value chart by on my charts it shows its a great deal. Edited by DST4ME - 28 Feb 2009 at 4:01pm |
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Posted: 28 Feb 2009 at 4:18pm |
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Many may, but my LC computers only run w few hours a day, and not everyday. lol
Most cheap, beginner pre-built phase change units start around $800.00, but if this unit is only a couple hundred, then I retract my value statememt. lol
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Posted: 28 Feb 2009 at 4:24pm |
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Personally, I just like the fact that you don't have to keep fluid topped off or do a full system flush every 5 years. I run my systems 24/7 so this sounds like a great item to me, too. I'll just wait to see how you like it DST4 before I'll jump.
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Posted: 28 Feb 2009 at 4:30pm |
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most people's pc run all the time.
my judgment on value is not based upon my use your yours, its based on how long each will last, how much they cost and how well they cool. $800? if that was the price I woudn't even bring it up, I imagine its gonna be around $300 -$400 max imo. |
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Posted: 28 Feb 2009 at 4:41pm |
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If it can keep a 4.2+Ghz I7 load temps under 50C with HT on, cost less then $350.00, be quite, last 5+ years, pull 50 watts or less, then maybe I will get one. lol That sounds too good to be true, but stanger things have happened.
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Posted: 28 Feb 2009 at 5:36pm |
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well if it does better then LC, which it shown it can do, and cost between 300 to 400 then I will get one.
I know the rcs100 can hold a e8400 oced to 4.0 at 50c, I'm sure the rcb400 can do better, can't wait till it comes out so I can see how well it does. |
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