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    Posted: 01 Sep 2009 at 9:26am
The new specials have me inching closer to pulling the trigger.  I have zero experience with liquid cooling though.  Can anyone whose bought a DS with the Asetek cooling comment on how they like/dislike it?
 
It seems to be liquid cooling for beginners since I've read there is no maintenance required.
 
Any issues with it leaking? Stuff like that...
 
 
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 01 Sep 2009 at 5:37pm
liquid cooling does not leak, if it does then its faulty and will be fixed under warranty.

asetek does not have any maintenance,but once it goes, there is no fixing it, you have to replace it, unlike air coolers or frostbite.
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  Quote livelystar Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 01 Sep 2009 at 10:45pm

Yeah DS wants to empty their inventory that's why they only offer LCLC. I bet if they offer the V8 or even better NOCTUAL...most people will pull the trigger lolz

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  Quote satsunada Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 01 Sep 2009 at 10:59pm
The Asetek seems to work fine. Not sure the issue and  honestly, even if i didn't already have a comp from them.. I'd get an asetek before I got a V8.
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  Quote Hokinabru Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 01 Sep 2009 at 11:16pm
I believe the LCLC offers Better temps.
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  Quote Alex Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 02 Sep 2009 at 1:30am
We aren't trying to run our inventory of the LCLC cooler...
 
For the cost, it performs very well and we are passing the savings to the customer.
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 02 Sep 2009 at 4:50am
I'll take the V8 or Noctua NH-U12P over asetek any day.
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  Quote <8) slunK parade Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 02 Sep 2009 at 6:04am
ill take a ham and cheese sandwich over dst's comment anyday

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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 02 Sep 2009 at 6:23am
thats all you gonna be able to afford when that asetek fails thats ok tho, alteast you got something to eat while you ponder why you didn't get the Noctua NH-U12P that is easy to fix and performs about the same.

but wait you didn't get the asetek yourself did you

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I find it hilarious that even though Alex has stated in previous posts that the Asetek LCLC has been giving them better temps than their air solutions and it's a tad cheaper DST4ME is resistant to anybody using it.  Talk about one track mind.  If it isn't his opinion of what's right it really is just wrong. 

 
 
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  Quote B-Comp Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 02 Sep 2009 at 7:43am
Alex is that true about the temps/performance of the Asetek? If so that is very helpful information.

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  Quote sjjohns23 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 02 Sep 2009 at 8:13am

Here's the post where Alex already mentioned that it performs better than all their air cooling solutions but not as well as their frostbite liquid cooling.

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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 02 Sep 2009 at 8:21am
I find it funny that you never understand what I'm saying and still comment on it.

first off both v8 and Noctua NH-U12P have history of 3.8GHz OC with good temps.

second its the life of the asetek that I'm mainly talking about, its suppose to live for 5 years but do you know anybody that has had one for that long?

if asetek breaks you need to get a whole new one, if a fan on Noctua NH-U12P breaks you spend $30 at most and take 2 minutes to fix it.

if I had asetek in any of my pcs, some are over 5 years old, right now it would not have asetek in them since they would have died.

nobody said asetek does not have good temps.

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  Quote B-Comp Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 02 Sep 2009 at 8:24am
well, its 5 years if you keep your PC on 24/7.  for me, my computer is on about 5 hours per day. if i did the math right, i should be good until the year 2036.
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 02 Sep 2009 at 8:28am
most people have their comps on longer then you, I'm not going by me/you, I'm going by the average user.

I'm not saying anything other then that its life expectancy and warranty (warranty other then DS's of course) are unknown and if it should fail after DS's 3 year warranty then one needs to fix the whole thing, where as Noctua NH-U12P will give you around the same temps,(say asetek gives you 70c, Noctua will give you 75c) and its much easier to fix no matter when it breaks down.

thats all, I'm not saying its bad or does not give good temps.

and remember the 5 years is an estimate, its not backed up by manufacturer warranty as a matter of fact we can't find any info on manufacturer warranty on asetek.

overall it seems to be a good cooler I just wish we had more a few that had been around for a few years.

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  Quote sjjohns23 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 02 Sep 2009 at 9:44am
I believe Alex said that Asetek backs up the LCLC with a 1 year manufacturer's warranty.  DSO obviously extends that to a full 3 years under their warranty. 
 
If we are talking about the average user they may not be tech savvy enough to install a new fan on their own cpu heatsink.  You and I know it's not difficult but a lot of people have technophobia when it comes to opening their computer and getting their hands dirty. 
 
I find I replace my computer about every 3 years to be able to play the kind of games and such that I want to play at the level I want to play at.  I understand that's not for everybody.  If I decide I don't want to splurge on the Frostbite but want a cheaper liquid cooling option then I think the Asetek is not a bad way to go.  It has it's pro's and con's just like any cpu cooler.  Everybody has to pick what is best for them. 
 
In the end, the average user will probably not notice the difference in the temperature variations provided in the Asetek LCLC vs any of the premium air coolers aka Noctua.  I have to agree it would be nice to see some more data for some of the Asetek coolers that have been around for a few years and are still going strong. 
 


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  Quote livelystar Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 02 Sep 2009 at 1:52pm

I have to agree with DST, V8 or Noctua NH-U12P  can perform almost as good as LCLC  PLUS they are easier to maintain. Not many people know how to take care of LCLC compare to AIR.  

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  Quote sjjohns23 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 02 Sep 2009 at 2:00pm
Originally posted by livelystar

I have to agree with DST, V8 or Noctua NH-U12P  can perform almost as good as LCLC  PLUS they are easier to maintain. Not many people know how to take care of LCLC compare to AIR.  

 
The Asetek LCLC is an enclosed unit.  You do not have to take care of anything. 
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  Quote sirsiddius Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 02 Sep 2009 at 2:38pm
I want to an a v8 or a noctura push an 920 up to 4.0ghz.
Seriously the Asetek is a brilliant cooler, and if the unit does fail it's as easy to replace as any conventional cooler, since it's self enclosed.
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  Quote sdelu Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 02 Sep 2009 at 3:06pm
Originally posted by sirsiddius

I want to an a v8 or a noctura push an 920 up to 4.0ghz.


I believe vipersneak hit 4.0 on a 920 and a noctua.

Still, I don't think you can go wrong either way, temp-wise.
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  Quote Alex Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 02 Sep 2009 at 3:32pm

I think I will need to explain further:

1. There is zero maintenance for the Asetek LCLC unit.
2. It is pressure tested from the factory to ensure all seals are good.
3. We test the Asetek units in our facility before the units ship, and our QA inspectors also check it for leaks as well.
4. If the unit did fail and needs a replacement, you simply loosen four screws, turn the waterblock unit clockwise a few degrees and it comes off. Then, place the new waterblock on it, and turn it counter clockwise and tighten the four screws. It takes maybe 5 minutes for an average user to complete it.
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  Quote Uruvsuurt Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 02 Sep 2009 at 4:24pm
When you all say "fail" for a liquid cooling system, are you talking about it leaking or just not transferring heat anymore?  I am basically one of those owners you are talking about that has never used LCing before (always fans) but at the same time I have no issue with taking the cover off my PC and swapping out a bad PSU or upgrading a graphics card.

I am also wondering what damage (if any) happens when the LC unit leaks all over the interior and components? 

Overall 3 things have stopped me mainly from buying a new PC:

The first is I can basically squeeze out the rest of the year on my PC as it stands now, and really it does fine with my current needs/games. So in 3-4 months it would be easier to convice the wife I "need" a new system.

Second, I sort of want to see what mass use of Windows & does in October.  Call me gunshy, but honestly I want to wait and see what hiccups happen in the 1st 2-3 months after retail launch to the mass consumers.  I like PCs, but that doesn't mean I trust microsoft that much.

Third, I have never used a lc unit, nor do I know anyone that has so....while I understand they are solid, safe, and sound, I can not get past the mental/psychological block I guess.  Since I would be looking to spend 2-3k on a new system......I just feel some nervousness with liquid running around inside it.

Thanks for answering!

I am sorry for all this text and if this is not the place to post, please delete this or move it.  I am a current DSO computer owner (mines about 3 years old now) so I am fully aware of the craftsmanship/quality I would be buying.
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  Quote lock52 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 02 Sep 2009 at 4:31pm
Uruv...I think I played WoW with you for a while!

The damage from a leaky liquid cooling unit is pretty bad, as I've experienced it first hand (it's why I'm gaming on my high end laptop instead of my old desktop atm...my watercooling leak was my fault though...first attempt at watercooling and I learned a few lessons!). However, if it's warrantied there will be no problems replacing it as long as it is under warranty.

1. If you're going to wait that long...just wait for the Nvidia 300 series to release in the first quarter of the year as good parts now will become extremely cheap!

2. If you want to wait for that, you can always just leave Vista on your system until you're comfortable switching to 7

3. The Asetek is not a bad cooling unit...and if you get one and it does happen to leak, it's covered under warranty for 3 years and you get everything completely replaced for free.

As for the mental block...don't worry about it. I've got friends that have liquid cooled for years and they swear by it and don't air cool much of anything anymore.
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  Quote Uruvsuurt Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 02 Sep 2009 at 4:38pm
Originally posted by lock52

Uruv...I think I played WoW with you for a while!

The damage from a leaky liquid cooling unit is pretty bad, as I've experienced it first hand (it's why I'm gaming on my high end laptop instead of my old desktop atm...my watercooling leak was my fault though...first attempt at watercooling and I learned a few lessons!). However, if it's warrantied there will be no problems replacing it as long as it is under warranty.

1. If you're going to wait that long...just wait for the Nvidia 300 series to release in the first quarter of the year as good parts now will become extremely cheap!

2. If you want to wait for that, you can always just leave Vista on your system until you're comfortable switching to 7

3. The Asetek is not a bad cooling unit...and if you get one and it does happen to leak, it's covered under warranty for 3 years and you get everything completely replaced for free.

As for the mental block...don't worry about it. I've got friends that have liquid cooled for years and they swear by it and don't air cool much of anything anymore.



Thanks!

Yeah, you may have seen me around, I put the druid in a retirement home in moonglade though.

But thanks for the info.  essentially I still play that god forsaken WoW game as my main game, but I am looking at the future MMOs like SW:ToR and such when I buy my next one.

I have time to look into things, and will probably pull the trigger in Jan/Feb unless my current one dies.



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  Quote novelreader Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 02 Sep 2009 at 6:58pm
While the performance of the Asetek may be up to par or better than the V8/Noctua, it is still considered to be the lowest quality of LC available. From what I understand of LCing, a person should be prepared to spend at least $200+ for higher end parts, or it is not worth it (e.g. potential issues from lesser quality parts). Also, if a Noctua goes bad, it is much easier/cheaper to change out a fan opposed to changing out an entire cpu cooling system.
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 02 Sep 2009 at 8:25pm
one also has to ask themselves why give a one year manufacturer warranty to something you say will run for 5 years.

again I think asetek is a good cooler but for me and my friends/family, I would not recommend it, thats just me tho.
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  Quote sjjohns23 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 02 Sep 2009 at 9:06pm
Why do most electronics have a 1 year warranty when you expect them to work significantly longer?  That's a mystery we may never unravel.  lol. 

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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 02 Sep 2009 at 11:01pm
evga mobo, gpus, mushkin ram etc etc have life time warranty. many other things have a 3 year or 5 year warranty. feser rad has a 3 year warranty, etc. etc.

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Just because a something has a short warranty, doesn't mean it'll fail right after it's warranty.
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Originally posted by sirsiddius

Just because a something has a short warranty, doesn't mean it'll fail right after it's warranty.
Yeah try that on Dell warranty. My laptop died two weeks after the warranty expired and I have 1 year warranty....I just don't trust low quality product with 1 year of warranty or maybe 2. This is the case where I refer the V8 over the LCLC....Ouch

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I recently sent my pc back to ds and while thier repairing it thier going to install a noctua fan for me and then increase my cpu oc.I cant wait to see what kind of oc i'll get now.
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Originally posted by DST4ME

evga mobo, gpus, mushkin ram etc etc have life time warranty. many other things have a 3 year or 5 year warranty. feser rad has a 3 year warranty, etc. etc.


Kingston Ram has a lifetime warranty. 
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