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    Posted: 28 Oct 2007 at 1:23am

We do our very best to make sure we take care of all of our customers.

In the past, many customers were unhappy with the 2.7GHz overclock on the Q6600 processors. Well, the Digital Storm team has some great news.
 
We are almost done with our in-house testing of running the Q6600 around 3.2GHz all the way to 3.6GHz! This is for users that have a 680i A1 revision motherboard, not the LT due to the lack of specific voltage settings.
 
We will be posting a guide here shortly on how to set your overclock in a easy step by step procedure.
 
Note: Overclocking to speeds around 3.2Ghz+ is definitely going to create some heat. Your processor will run hotter, but, hey, if you want it, we will make it happen.
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is this on air or liquid chilled?
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Air and Liquid. Our liquid systems will run the Q6600 at lower temperatures.
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Dang! If I had known you could get that kind of stable speed I would have considered getting the 680i A1 revision motherboard. But, then again I have a question. How much more electricity is needed for this higher speed?



Edited by gameon - 28 Oct 2007 at 5:49am
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so what will DSO overclock to now? 3.2GHz? the guide would be very helpful  because i am planning on overclocking my system when it arrives
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My Q6600 was OC'd to 2.7, but DS was concerned that any more than that would run to hot and possibly damage the system. What's changed?
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I don't think too much changed other than customer demand.
 
I hope a guide to returning to the orginal settings for a 2.7 Ghz OC will be posted with this guide. In upgrading my RAM (the MoBo insisted on recognizing the RAM as 667Mhz) I lost the FSB speed DSO had set my system to accidentally and entered in 1333, which stuck me right smack at 2.99 Ghz, which the system reports as 3.0Ghz outside of BIOS.
 
So for idiots like me, that lose their settings, and for people that would prefer to change back after trying out the faster OC, please post up the 2.7 figures with the guide Alex, it'd be much appreciated.
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The only game that I've run into that slows down at all, has been the Crysis demo. My PC runs hot nuff' already without making it run any hotter (OC'd to 2.7). I have to keep a fan under my desk blowing hot air away from the PC. I may not need to do that, but it makes me feel better that I'm doing something for it. I guess most of the heat comes from the GPU and not the CPU though, so maybe it wouldn't run all THAT much hotter? I dunno.
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I think we have close to the same specs except for the high end GPU('s) in your machine srl50. My fans haven't gone up from the 10% base speed by more than a touch even after hours of gaming, so I would say alot of your heat is from the GPU('s).
 
Did you have single or SLI 8800's?
 
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To clarify, we might be still pushing the systems to about 3.0Ghz, not 3.2GHz+ because of heat issues.

I am only posting this guide for people that want a higher overclock and understand that their system will run hotter.
 
Users with LT motherboards can try this guide, but, we don't recommend pushing the CPU higher than 3.2GHz.
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 Great news, an OC guide would be a great help to many people who want to OC their system further Clap
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Originally posted by Alex

To clarify, we might be still pushing the systems to about 3.0Ghz, not 3.2GHz+ because of heat issues.


I am only posting this guide for people that want a higher overclock and understand that their system will run hotter.

 

Users with LT motherboards can try this guide, but, we don't recommend pushing the CPU higher than 3.2GHz.


How would this affect the warranty on the processor? Also, is 3.0 versus, 3.2 a significant boost in a game like Crysis.

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Originally posted by Monstromo

Originally posted by Alex

To clarify, we might be still pushing the systems to about 3.0Ghz, not 3.2GHz+ because of heat issues.


I am only posting this guide for people that want a higher overclock and understand that their system will run hotter.

 

Users with LT motherboards can try this guide, but, we don't recommend pushing the CPU higher than 3.2GHz.


How would this affect the warranty on the processor? Also, is 3.0 versus, 3.2 a significant boost in a game like Crysis.

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I wouldn't think that would make that much difference compared to 2.4 Ghz to 3.0 Ghz.
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well when i order my system i am choosing that stage 6 liquid cooling and i looked over it on the web and i should be able to overclock pretty far without having any heat issues.
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You won't notice a big performance difference from 2.7GHz to 3.2GHz... In real world terms. We are just doing this for people that want a higher overclock for bragging rights or personal satisfaction.
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I hear ya' Alex. Well, I think I'm gonna keep my Q6600 at 2.7 for now. One day I will prolly add a second 8800 to keep up with the newer games that come along. I'll prolly go ahead and overclock the CPU at that point, I mean why not? Maybe 'liquid-nitrogen cooling' may become available by that time? Wink
 
In the meantime, thanks for offering this service. It's a value added, to be sure.
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Thats great news. A simple phone call would have helped in my OC'ing issue, but I love how DS caters to customer requests. I can honestly say that you guys are the best when it comes to these kinds of things. Not only adjusting your OC'ing procedure, but even correcting the issues that [H] found in their review. Keep up the great work guys!
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Thanks!  Will the warranty still be in full effect if we follow your guide?
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bump... has this guide gone out and i missed it in some other thread?
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My Q6600 is running rock solid at 3.0 .  Stability and lower temps is alot more important to me than bragging rights. The difference between 3.0 and 3.2 is minimal at best.  
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Tybo,
 
How do you define "rock Solid"? I'm curious because I thought my system was rock solid, but now I've discovered that Prime95 is telling me that it isn't. I was running the system 16 - 20 hours a day and playing games like BioShock and the Crysis demo for hours at a time without a hitch, but it wouldn't run Prime95 for more than a couple of hours before the second core would cough up a rounding error. I've stepped up the Vcore three times looking for stabliity. Hopefully this last bump did the trick, but I won't know until tonight.
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Just watch the temps when pushing Vcore. Wink
 
You can also look to your RAM for cause of failure in a Prime run, or FSB voltage rather than Vcore if you're running your FSB higher than the stock 1333. What's your CPU FSB set at now Bill? I gained stability at lower Vcore (and hence lower temps- 30C idle @ 22C ambient) by going linked at a forced ratio and increasing the CPU FSB voltage by 100mV. When the RAM is unlinked, I found I needed more Vcore to remain stable in a Prime95 run. I went from 1.45 Vcore unlinked  down to 1.2625 Vcore linked. Up to 2.7 GHz using a 9x multiplier, I can get away with 1.2 V, at 2.92 GHz, I need to push that FSB voltage to 1.3 V, but my Vcore remains at 1.2625. I only needed to increase Vcore running past 3.0Ghz.
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Tyler,
 
Running at 1.4 V (or 1.416) makes me a little nervous, but my core temps according to Core Temp and SpeedFan are only in the 43C - 52C range with Prime95 running. It seems like I could go a lot farther temp and voltage wise. I'm reconciled to the idea that the CPU may have  burn out prematurely
 
Memory wise, I've only got 800 MHz devices. My original overclocking goal was just to run the RAM at its full rated speed 1:1 with the FSB by raising the FSB from 1333 to 1600 MHz. So, I'm not that excited about running the processor faster than 3.6GHz, but I wouldn't mind trimming voltage by a few hundred millivolts. By the way, I'm running the Prime95 test that runs almost entirely out of the CPU cashe.
 
I'm currently testing with Vcore set to 1.400 V in the BIOS, although CPUz reports Vcore = 1.416 V at idle and 1.392 V under Prime95 load. 1.4 V happens to be the value picked by the "auto" setting of the BIOS.
 
By the way, do you know where this value (the "auto" Voltage) comes from? Is it by any chance the value on the CPU's VID pins? That would be pretty cool. Is the chip smart enough to look at the bus clock or what ever, figure out what Vcore it needs and request it through the VID? The EVGA 680i mobo manual is useless in this, as in most, cases.
 
This brings me back to my original question, "What do people define as rock solid? Does Prime95 have to run error free for 6, 12, or 24 hours without a glitch? I'm a little surprised that the computer seemed to work flawlessly but couldn't run Prime95 for very long. I wonder if part of the "conflict" between DSO and customer's overclocking expectations is all about what the definintion of "is", I mean "rock solid" is....


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I know for me "rock solid" would be running every application and game without a hitch. If running Prime crashed the system I wouldn't care as long as every single program I normally use runs flawlessly for any given amount of time. I know some stress tests are designed to crash your system so that doesn't bother me. I would be curious as to what exactly caused the crash in Prime, but like I said if every program/game works great then that would be sufficient for ME. I know that opinion varies from person to person but thats my take on it. 
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Bill, the voltages reported by the software apps ike CPUz and speedfan are not 100%, but  I'm also thinking +16 mV  within reason for a margin of error on a setting.
 
I'm learning as I go as well, never done anything even remotely like this stuff before, but it does seem reasonable that the VID value is used to calculate auto volts. I do know that auto voltage is almost always overkill and have been able to lower most values easily from the default auto settings. I agree about the mobo manual. It's more like a picture version of a schematic than it is an operation manual.
 
As for solid, I'm more or less with DP on this: I look for an hour at 100% load and no errors and no crashes in the apps I run. I have also set certain temp goals, admittedly in a somewhat arbitrary fashion. I look for stable operation at under 50C CPU/60C core at 100% load after one hour, preferably under 45C/55C. 
 
For me, that's enough. I may let her rip at some point for a 24 hour test, but I doubt it. I enjoy my new toy very much and watching it chug along searching for large prime numbers isn't my idea of fun. Tongue
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Originally posted by Tyler Lowe

I'm learning as I go as well, never done anything even remotely like this stuff before,
 
You and me both....
 
Originally posted by Tyler Lowe

 but it does seem reasonable that the VID value is used to calculate auto volts. I do know that auto voltage is almost always overkill and have been able to lower most values easily from the default auto settings.
 
I'd read the same thing about the AUTO settings being conservative, so I wasn't too surprised when I was able to drop Vcore three notches below the AUTO setting and still have the machine appear to run normally. However, at the lowered Vcore Prime95 failed in two hours.
 
Originally posted by Tyler Lowe

As for solid, I'm more or less with DP on this: I look for an hour at 100% load and no errors and no crashes in the apps I run. I have also set certain temp goals, admittedly in a somewhat arbitrary fashion. I look for stable operation at under 50C CPU/60C core at 100% load after one hour, preferably under 45C/55C. 
 
I'm comfortably under those temps even at 4.1 V due to low ambients, the Freezer 7, and a largely empty TJ9. Well, the heck with it. The temps are good, and if the CPU is getting a tad too much juice than is good for it, that's just the way it is. Approve After all I'm still 84 millivolts away from the official ceiling.
 
 
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